Terrorist attacks - Discussion

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Please not this false equivalency again.

I have not heard of a single terrorist attack being carried out by people who lost loved ones in a Drone Strike.

Drones for the most part take out terrorists. A few civilians die which is to be accepted as no weapon platform is fool proof to kill only the bad guys but leave the innocents.

To me Drones are like Chemeotherapy for Pakistan. Pakistan has Cancer and Drones are a necessary evil to wipe out this cancer.

Yes hair does fall, some healthy tissue does die, but to do nothing is to let this cancer envelop Pakistan.

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Its all about politics… Atleast according to this BBC article.BBC News - Formidable power of Pakistan’s anti-Shia militants
Wednesday’s bombings of a Shia Muslim neighbourhood in the Pakistani city of Quetta that killed almost 100 people is a grim reminder of the power of sectarian militants to act as the arbiters of peace - and war - in this country.
Since 2004-05, they have steadily spread their wings in south western Balochistan province, where the ethnic Hazara community of Shia Muslims has been their main target.
Figures released by the Balochistan government place the number of Shias killed in the province between 2008 and 2012 at 758. Members of the Hazara community say the figure is much higher
The hatred these Sunni militant groups bear towards Shia Muslims is fundamentally theological although the groups’ origins date back to the late 1970s, the time of neighbouring Iran’s Shia revolution.
The historic split between Sunni and Shia originate in a dispute soon after the death of the Prophet Muhammad over which of his four companions should lead the Muslim community.
The group which has claimed responsibility for the blast, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, was born out of another group called Sipah-e-Sahaba, whose name literally translates as “Soldiers of the Companions of the Prophet”.
So their anti-Shia agenda is there in the very origins and name of this group. But over the last few years there has been a dramatic escalation on attacks against Shia Muslims around Pakistan, with some activists naming 2012 as the worst year in living memory for Shia killings.
The key to the increasing power of these groups to wreak havoc on Shias is not just their ideological fervour, but also their ability to set up militant training camps - and Pakistan’s complex political environment.
Balochistan training campsThe bombing reflects the extent to which the Pakistani policy of using Islamic militancy as a foreign policy tool has, in the course of three decades, compromised its ability to clean up its house.

The geographical spread of these outfits today is unprecedented in terms of both their striking capability and their ability to paralyse life in areas of their influence.
In December, activists for Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, which is now banned, closed down Karachi, a city of more than 15 million people, when one of their leaders was injured in a gun attack blamed on a rival sect.
Credible reports from the region say the group has also set up several residential and training camps in the remote Mastung area of Balochistan, from where they have been attacking buses carrying Shia pilgrims to holy sites in Iran.
A couple of very large arms dumps uncovered by the police in Quetta in recent months indicate that they have copious supplies of arms, ammunition and explosives, and the tactics they use during attacks show them to be highly trained.
But sectarian militants also have vast influence in the north-western tribal region of Pakistan, where some analysts believe they form the backbone of the Pakistani Taliban group, Tehrik Taliban Pakistan (TTP).
Not many people know that some top TTP leaders - such as the late head of the suicide training squad, Qari Hussain, and the TTP’s current spokesman, Ehsanullah Ehsan - were all members of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi in Punjab at one time or another before they became part of the TTP.
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and its affiliated groups also provide crucial technical and manpower support to other major groups in the tribal region, such as the Haqqani network and other groups.

**Electoral power-brokers?**With this kind of spread and influence, can the sectarian militants be defeated at all?
Most analysts believe the state is far more powerful than the entire Pakistani militant network, but at the moment it lacks the will to pull the ground from under them.
There are various reasons for this.
In Punjab province, which is the breeding ground of sectarian militants, the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and its parent organisation, Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, have a strong electoral presence due mainly to the state patronage they enjoyed during the military regime of General Pervez Musharraf.
All the major political parties in the province depend on this vote bloc in many areas of central and southern Punjab to win parliamentary seats.
Therefore, any kind of a crackdown on these groups would run contrary to their interests, especially when elections are approaching.
The country’s powerful military establishment also has an ambivalent attitude towards these groups. Even as cadres of these groups are clearly seen as an enemy because they work with the Taliban, they serve several other major interests.
Useful in a crisisIn Balochistan, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and its affiliates have helped dilute the impact of an armed nationalist separatist movement by diverting international attention to the issue of targeting Shias.
Elements in the military establishment have also felt a need to use the street protest power of these groups as a second line of defence at times of international crises.
Last year, these groups formed a major part of the movement launched by an alliance of Jihadist religious forces, the Defence of Pakistan Council, to put pressure on the Pakistani civilian rulers not to reopen the Nato supply routes through Pakistan.
In addition, these groups have provided both political and military support to Pakistani objectives against India in the disputed region of Kashmir.
As things stand, the Afghan endgame, in which the Pakistanis are fishing for a major role, is yet to play out to the finish, and the border with India in Kashmir is far from stable.
So while the destructive potential of these groups is not lost on anyone in Pakistan, they have not outlived their utility quite yet.
And if they continue to prove their anti-Shia credentials day after day, they will not have lost their utility for the Sunni-Wahabi sheikhdoms of the Middle East as well, from where they receive the bulk of their funding.

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The last part about the Wahhabi Sheiks is maddening. The Saudi dogs live in the lap of luxury as the throw countries like Pakistan into turmoil. And the Pakistani's lap up their bullsh1t like its manna from heaven.

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Shia leaders have refused to bury the bodies until their demands are met and army intervenes.

why is it impossible for them to track down these animals? or is it they just dont want to do anything and watch as silent spectators? just sickening.

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Recipe for further destruction of Pakistan's but time for Hazara to stand up to these terrorist Lashkars of rats themselves.

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It is possible for them to hunt these animals but they have better things to do for example keeping their partners in crime happy,stopping TUQ from long march, shutting down phone service, wasting time of SC,enjoy CNG,power crisis waghaira waghaira. They have everyone else to blame for this mess but themselves. May be Raja Rental wil order two more bullet proof suvs kyun kay halata bohat khrab hain…quetta main.

Lashon kay sadqay chawal khanay walon saay koi umeed na rakho…

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^Very true, its not that are incapable of going after these animals, they dont have the "will" do anything...
as long as they are sitting in their cozy houses and secured in their bullet proofs vehicles, why would they care? let others die!

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where is CJ now? he takes sou moto over Shehzab Khan killing, but turns a blind eye towards this massacre? height of hypocrisy

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Sitting thousands of miles away from people who lose their family members it is almost impossible to imagine how and what the victims can be brainwashed into.

I don't want to "brush it under the carpet", I want to solve the problem but drone is definitely not one of them. Go to Wikipedia or any other resource available and compare number of drone attacks with number of suicide bombings starting from 2001.

If you fell behind in your work does not mean others slacked too :D

You have not heard of single case because it was not presented in your favorite media. Drone is far away from being any solution, the only solution drones can provide is leveling of a field, chemically destroying/spraying of a land etc.

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I agree with you. Unfortunately nothing works until the CJ gets in. But the problem is then he is accused of judicial activism. Hazara people are being butchered day in, day out yet no one is reaching out to them for help. The last hope, just as in other cases, is again the CJ.

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Honestly speaking, I have no hope left from govt/army or Judiciary. if he wanted to take any action against this masscare of Shia Hazaras, he would have taken it long ago. it didnt just started overnight. all of them are like just silent bystanders and equally responsible for this chaos.

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Only the Pakistani Military can take action against these Terrorists but they wont.

Because the Military commanders drum up this absurd conflict with India so that they can demand a higher percentage of the national budget from which they syphon of millions of dollars to themselves.

They also know that Indian Military is too strong for Pakistan and in all out conventional war, India will defeat Pakistan in less than 2 weeks. To equalize this, they created these jihadi groups to wage a gureilla war against India.

So, Pakistani Military will not take action against these groups because it will threaten their own livelyhood.

Its a sad vicious circle.

And the innocents, minorities, pay the price in Pakistan.

Pakistan has become the most hostile nation on the planet to be a non-sunni muslim or a non-muslim.

Perhaps even more so than Nazi Germany.

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This is interesting, never knew this:

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Not many people know that some top TTP leaders - such as the late head of the suicide training squad, Qari Hussain, and the TTP's current spokesman, Ehsanullah Ehsan - were all members of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi in Punjab at one time or another before they became part of the TTP.
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Some Shias of Balochistan feel that the military is infact suppoting LEJ for counter insurgency.

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In Balochistan, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and its affiliates have helped dilute the impact of an armed nationalist separatist movement by diverting international attention to the issue of targeting Shias.

Elements in the military establishment have also felt a need to use the street protest power of these groups as a second line of defence at times of international crises.
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I have been watching terrorist attacks in Pakistan, and have a general observation that the media coverage of attacks in FATA, KP and Balochistan is negligible as compared to attacks in Lahore, Islamabad or Karachi which sometimes smacks of general apathy to their plight. Why is this so? Are those people lesser of Pakistanis? We will have to change our outlook if we have to survive as a country.

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Well let's not try to obfuscate the issues. Drones started long after suicide bombings and ethnic cleansing of Shias did. And the terrorists who are bombing marketplaces, mosques/imam bargahs, schools and so on are not 'victims' of drones or of anything else. They want to extend their fiefdom to all over the country, impose their version of sharia on the rest of the country, and kill anyone they deem an obstacle or is judged heretic in their eyes. The Pak govt's and army's appeasement of terrorist groups has already brought the country to its knees. Both need to wake up and take charge of the country. Of course when they do, drones will stop too.

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What I presented is very obvious pattern of these animals and terrorists.

These animals and terrorists are not stupid as anyone can see. “They” have been able to continue their acts of terror despite so many nations and agencies working against them. Not the work of few illiterate cave dwellers.

It is time to lay off anti Islam propaganda since these terrorists are no Jihadis and not Muslims who are following any Islamic teaching by any stretch of imagination.

Only fools think these terrorists somehow are Muslims or follow Islam.

Neither Islam teaches these acts of terror nor any good practicing Muslim would even think of doing these crimes.

Killings of innocents indiscriminately, destroying schools, creating Shia Sunni fasaad and an atmosphere of fear and terror HAS TO BE the act of those who have their heinous agenda to malign a beautiful religion.

Somehow evil people who want to defame a whole religion are playing this game.

Sar e Aaeena Koi Aur Hai, Pas e Aaina Koi Aur Hai

And to say Pakistanis or Muslims are the one who are their own enemies is exactly similar to blaming the rape victim in India of her own rape and eventual sad demise by Asaram Bapu.

Funny thing is that there are resident Anti-Muslims and Anti-Islam here who would rather believe the terrorists than a whole lot of majority peaceful Muslims. :smack:

And now I know why Wiki is so untrustworthy. :wink:

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Wow.

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:rotfl:

What a simple mind you have…

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:rotfl:

What a mindless comment you made.

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Why only some Shias? Its pretty well known that many of these armed groups are in fact arm of Pakistan army. I think Pakistani generals are looking to export jihad again once the US leaves the region.