tell husband how much savings you have? what your salary is?

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Kids in a bad situation will only make it worse.
Then you will be in a more sticky situation.

How old are you two ? You don't have to answer if you don't want.

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TS :hmmm:

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rather not answer that, but we arent young

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It leads me to ask another question... What is young age in your dictionary? You can answer me in PM or ignore my query.....

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^ After 35, you are not young Mahool. :hehe:

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Wow!! What an off relationship you have put yourself into!

You are living with him yet you don't trust the guy.
You are making future plans yet the relationship is very rocky at its base level.
You have seen him acting differently after nikah and maybe expected him to get better ( that's what I'm assuming since you continued the relationship) but he didn't change yet you expect him to change after maybe having kids!
You are continuing this based on what people will say but none of these people are around to help you in this......

You seem like an intelligent person but none of the above things seem normal to me.

As for your question, I think you already know the answer to it.

At the end, peace of mind is more important than anything...finances, what people will say, I'm not getting any younger....Yeah.

On another note:

^word. I am not interested in a debate with anyone here but yes the two genders are different and reversing their roles is not the same.

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I have no clue who is telling you that you have to support him. You do not have to support him.

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Yes, I believe every able-bodied, legal adult is expected to work and support themselves in the US.

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OP what is the main reason that makes him say stuff like he's going to divorce u. I would feel like I'm in an extremely unstable situation if my husband offhandedly said that every few weeks. Is it always about the money? I'm guessing he wants to know how much ur making so he can decide how much he can "borrow" to invest in the stock market and also how much he can not feel bad about spending every month as his expenses. Because frankly speaking if the tables were turned the wife was the one waiting to take exams she would still want money to spend on random stuff or even just to have in her purse incase she needs it for whatever. Anyway, since the roles are reversed I wouldnt know what would be considered ok, but yes if he was acting like he's just going to mooch off of u and not seriously consider starting work anywhere then it wold be pretty frustrating.

The next time he asks u about divorce and that u let him off the hook with ur haq mehr then ask him if that is the only thing holding him back from divorcing u and why. Because practically speaking he's supposed to give u the haq mehr either way, whether u continue to stay married all ur lives or not. Also, if he does divorce u who's going to make him pay haq mehr? It's all on his conscience, cuz he could just plainly refuse and not do it. But he would have to keep in mind that if u did not forgive it and he died indebted to u then he will forever be tormented for that
(until u forgive it). Btw was ur haq mehr some insane amount that he would never be able to pay anyway? For some reason the trend has been set in stone about setting a haq mehr that deters divorce, when that is not what it's meant for.

Anyway the best way is to try to talk it out but while being calm and reasonable, and not throwing random testing phrases to each other trying to gauge the other persons frame of mind by what they throw back at u. All ur efforts spent at deciphering what anything could mean is really just a moot point. Both of u r holding back ur real thoughts, u don't know what exactly the other person wants or expects and I don't know how long u can really hold up such an important relationship with stuff like that going on. It's like both of u r playing chicken, testing how much the other person is willing to take before u get what u want.

And if it's so out in the open that the word divorce is just thrown in for good measure then why don't u actually tell him that, that him being so stuck on the idea or that its always in the back of his mind then it makes u feel unsafe and makes u think u shouldn't divulge such an important part of ur life that u have control over. And the way he is acting he shouldn't blame u for not telling him and not giving him a credit card. Btw even if u do give him a credit card isn't it ur wish what to set the limit at? U can have the bank set it at a low limit (whatever u would be comfortable him spending each month) and that they block the card for the month once the limit is reached. Don't they have supplementary credit cards like those for kids? Anyway my point is not that u give him a credit card but if that is his bone of contention then this would be a way out but also give u control over it.

Btw do u think he's the sort who would never actually get done with his exams and start working in his field? And would just continue the way it's going forever. How long till he gets qualified to seek employment in his field. And what's stopping him from getting a side job that would be in the vicinity of his actual field. As in work as something else in a hospital for now, if he's a doctor. Can't think of anything else but u get what I mean. Doesn't related experience always help, or atleast look somewhat ok on ur resume.

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Hope you end up making the best decision for yourself. InshAllah it will all work out one way or another.

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THis is by far the best advise I have received on this thread. Thank you, you really gave me guidance. This is the stuff that makes paklinks helpful!

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I don't know what to say. He sounds like a gem though. Forgive him the haq-mehr if he still hasn't given it to you ......seems like he's hinging on that....and maybe he'll stop his pestering or compromise on the 50% amount. You probably already have more or will have more then this haq mehr you never saw from a husband you do not trust, respect, etc.

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Peace of mind is much better than a few more dollars in bank account.

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I would really like to understand what part of him sounds like a gem.

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^lolz, sarcasm actually or perhaps

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I don't think you should tell him anything about your finances...there's no need at this point if the two of you don't pool your assets.

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there may be another option, since the marraige must have been conducted Islamically, the annullment can also be conducted in the same manner! so you may want to do that after consulting with a scholar, because as it appears the Man has stated more than three times in clear words he wants half of what you own, which he is not entitled to.!

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Thanku OP I'm glad I could make some sense. I don't think I really answered ur main question about whether to tell him or not but I gave u a bunch of other things to think about!! :) Well anything that helps ur thought process to reconciliation. One thing u have to understand is that continuing in this way (both of u not really knowing each other) will never lead to a fulfilling relationship, money or no money.

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Whole thing is very complicated. Probably because GS posters don't have all the details and both sides of the story (not that we have the right), and furthermore, generalizations really don't work in real life. They do great for a philosophical argument in Life1 about gender roles, but not in real life.

So here's some pointers based on my experiences and the experiences of those people I know who brought spouses over from abroad.

-once you agree to marrying a foreigner, the expectation that he will have $$ or be able to get a good spot in a good univ with foreign (that too, Pakistani for crying out loud) references goes out the door completely. So if you had expectations as such, you need to deal with the fact that naturally these were unrealistic expectations to begin with. He still can't contribute equally to the marriage? From your name sounds like you're a CPA so keep in mind that you earn more than most people in the USA, and so he might NEVER be able to break even with you. Both of you should have understood this prior to marriage and agreed to cope with it.

-Man works, woman doesn't have to: if you want to stick to this ideal, then marrying a guy from abroad who would be taking time to build his career probably is a bad choice to begin with. He's immigrated, he is trying to establish himself (if that's the case, not sure in your situation), it will take TIME. I've seen couples where the guy takes some years to get financially stable...If you are looking for a real provider that is committed and stable, then you should have found someone with an actual job and permanent residency status of some sort to begin with. You did not. Now you have to deal with the consequences.

-I'm not sure how long your husband has been in the US or exactly what he's been doing here. Is this the same marriage where the guy has 10K in his bank account and was asking the girl to pay for his re-take of an exam? Maybe I'm getting disgruntled guppans mixed-up. But if he's actually been trying some exams, or trying to get into school or something, then give him credit for it, and maybe help him out? If you've already spent $$ on him, and he still wont focus on school, that's something else. Or if he simply hasn't even applied for any schooling here that's something else too.

-Most immigrants who come here, do work part-time to contribute $$ to family, and then they go to school part-time. Most adults who come over here, at least have a bachelors equiv already here, or at least that is what you girls SHOULD be looking for. Someone who if he transferred Pakistani graduate credits here, would qualify for a bachelors equivalent per US degree system. No, I totally agree that most upper level quality programs in Pakistan should be equivalent, but they're not. That's not an academic thing, it's more of a money-making scam than anything else. They don't want to grant an ambitious MD or MBA or engineer etc from Pakistan an equivalent graduate degree standing here, they'd rather call these grads "bachelors" equivalent to force them to apply for a US grad school, and repeat a degree or repeat qual's. Stupid, but it's true. Now if you selected a guy from Pakistan who has a bachelors, then here in the US, he has an associates. So here you are - a prof woman - married to an associates-equivalent... again, whose fault is that?

-Now back to your question. Should you let him see your assets. If you went into the marriage for the right reasons - that you think this man's values are in accordance with yours, and that you want to raise a family with him, and you feel that your marriage is stable for this, then yes, you should be open about your finances. But doesn't seem like these prerequisites are even met at this point, so talking about money is sorta useless when the foundation of your marriage - i.e. trust and values, aren't aligned.

You talk about my experiences, cpa, and much of it I haven't actually shared here, nor will I.

But I can tell you one thing. When you are looking to bring a spouse over from Pakistan, whether you are a man or a woman. There are TWO big issues at hand.

  1. Are the values of you and the other person similar? Outlooks on life similar?
  2. Does the guy work hard, and does he have potential to have a stable financial future?

and then less so, but still VERY important

  1. What did the person do in Pakistan that proves they are a capable person? For a potential groom, this would mean - what was his schooling there, and what are his qualifications, and MORE THAN THAT, what has he accomplished there with his own bare hands without mummy daddy making phone calls?

The reason why I say this is there are plenty of smart graduates from Pakistan that come to the USA and they accomplish nothing here. Because they're from elite families in Pakistan, they're used to a servant doing everything for them, and they haven't had to sweat and toil for their earnings because they got a job there cuz they knew someone. And frankly, that happens A LOT. A lot of people have cush jobs in Pakistan because they had a connection and got a job interview meanwhile 30 very qualified people are waiting on getting call backs, but they don't.

The smart graduate comes here, and will take up any job, even if it's flipping burgers, and then work on education at night, pay his way through college/grad school here, and then be qualified to get a real job.

The only thing that works against these people in the long run, is that by the time some of these guys get married to girls, come over here, and are older, they're dealing with age-ism in the market....where newbie 22 year olds or mid-20's grads are getting jobs before they are. But, Allah gives rozi, and I can tell you, there are people in their mid-30's late 30's, that are fresh on the job market with CV's from Pakistan, get some extra education here, even volunteer/intern somewhere, and they find something as they build their rec letters.

The problem comes in when the guy is sitting at home, and is a day-dreamer. Day-dreamers always have issues...but then a good screen of what the guy has accomplished in Pakistan (WITHOUT MUMMY/DADDY PHONE CALLS) would tell you he's a daydreamer.

And I think mad-scientist is right - you're dealing with a guy who has a bruised ego, and he is trying to exert control in some way or the other. He will figure out how much you have when there is a divorce, so hiding your assets now will not do anything in the future to protect you. If you really mean it when you say you love him, as much of a feminist as I am, you will put all your cards on the table, and have a mature discussion with him on your expectations.

Credit card access? If he has an account with 10K in it --> that's where his credit card comes from. Not from your account. You have control over spending in your account period. You can do a joint account, and attach a credit card there for him and for you, and both of you mull over statements every month to verify each other's purchases until there is financial trust built. This will help you guys begin to trust each other.

And regarding his job, you have to tell him he needs to get a job period. If this is the story where the guy is trying to retake his CPA exam, then for crying out loud, support him and let him study and give the exam again. Once he's a CPA and earning like you and handing you diamonds, maybe then you'll be all smiles and giggles.

Marriage is more than money. It's a deep friendship and partnership - where you guys have entwined your souls and bodies for crying out loud. That's much deeper than a bank account statement. If I was you, I'd show him the statements and your personal assets (not your parents), and be upfront about your expectations and how he's currently letting you down and what he needs to do to take over in terms of financial burden, and how you're gonna help him do it. If he can't make a plan, you make one for him, and like a nagging mom, you put him to work. And if that still doesn't work, then I say, at that point, consider filing for divorce.