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so what exactly are salafis doing that goes against the above statement?
When did he say 'mujtahid' when did he use the word 'mujtahid'? He only said to his students that were present at that time to go with the stronger opinion if his is weaker. That doesn't mean WE can go with the stronger of opinions. Get the picture? Jeez you salafis are really annoying.
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Brother read your posts again. You said that Imam Abu Hanifa said this to his students and his students were mujtahidoon (Post #83). Everything I said in my previous post was the conclusion of everything that YOU said.
So basically the only ones who can correct the rulings of Imam Abu Hanifa are those who were his students? But then you also said the stronger opinion can only come from other Imams (Post #110). So, in order for these students to accept the stronger opinion from the other Imams they would also have to have studied the fiqh of the other Imams. All of this is from what YOU said. And from this the only conclusion that one can make is that the madhab of Imam Abu Hanifa is the only correct madhab. Which is obviously not the case.
The obvious question that pops into my head is that who qualifies as a student of Imam Abu Hanifa, is it his immediate students only or someone else who studies the teachings of Imam Abu Hanifa???
Also, You obviously don't have enough knowledge about this matter, and you are making false, unjustified statements. Please refrain from saying things about which you don't have knowledge.
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Other question, where I have a doubt is, do we go ahead with stronger opinions though we find a much better (thats amal deed but is infact a weak hadith.
We opinion should we take into consideration.
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So basically the only ones who can correct the rulings of Imam Abu Hanifa are those who were his students? But then you also said the stronger opinion can only come from other Imams (Post #110). So, in order for these students to accept the stronger opinion from the other Imams they would also have to have studied the fiqh of the other Imams. All of this is from what YOU said. And from this the only conclusion that one can make is that the madhab of Imam Abu Hanifa is the only correct madhab. Which is obviously not the case.
The obvious question that pops into my head is that who qualifies as a student of Imam Abu Hanifa, is it his immediate students only or someone else who studies the teachings of Imam Abu Hanifa???
Also, You obviously don't have enough knowledge about this matter, and you are making false, unjustified statements. Please refrain from saying things about which you don't have knowledge.
Exactly, Imam Abu Hanifa said to HIS students that take of the stronger opinion.
Now the students have passed away long time ago. The people (today) who are able to verify fiqh issues are the scholars who have studied all 4 madhabs and have UNDERSTANDING of Quran and Sunnah. Not some layman who goes to a book or website and find this hadith to overtake the other and uses it.
Now do you get the picture?
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this really is getting nowhere, cause you are being stubborn
i am gonna end this right now
since you post a lot from SUFIPATH (not a typo), here’s a response from Faraz Rabbani about the permissibility of following more than one madhab
http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00000499.aspx
and how many times do i have to tell you that I DO NOT EXTRACT RULINGS FROM QURAN AND SUNNAH, I follow those rulings that have evidence from Quran and Sunnah
this is another misconception that you have, that being a salafi means that everyone is a mujtahid, this is totally WRONG
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something i want to add is that, you have essentially said that no one can issue a fatwa except for Imam Abu Hanifa and his students
tell me is this correct?
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Let me paste the text over here.
You are confusing two issues:
(a) Following another madhhab completely in a complete action, and (b) mixing the positions of more than one madhhab within one action, in such a way that it is not independently valid in either one (talfiq). The latter is impermissible and invalid according to the fuqaha. Ibn Abidin (imam of the late Hanafi school for fatwa) and Ibn Hajar al-Haytami (imam of the late Shafii school for fatwa) both transmit scholarly consensus (ijma) regarding its impermissibility.
Following another madhhab completely in a complete action, however, is valid according to the majority of the scholars of usul al-fiqh, and fuqaha, on the condition that there not be a systematic seeking out of dispensations. This was confirmed by Ibn Abidin in his Hashiya, Tahtawi in his Hashiyat al-Durr, Abd al-Ghani al-Nabulsi in his Sharh al-Tariqa al-Muhammadiyya and in his treatise on ijtihad, taqlid and talfiq, and is the position adopted by the Syrian Hanafi scholars.
The scholars of the Indian Sub-continent generally do not allow this, except under exceptional circumstances, but not because it is per se invalid, but for obvious reasons:
(a)** In their millieu, it is not normally possible for one to find a qualified source or scholar from another school;**
(b) To close the door to the systematic seeking of dispensations.
But, even Indo-Pak scholars who advocate this position admit, this is more an answer of prudence than a theoretical impermissibility.
I wonder whether the position enunciated in the major texts of the school is not more suited to our situation in the West. People have a lot of difficult situations and challenges in their lives, and this makes things easy for them while remaining within the boundaries of sound sunni scholarship, instead of running to the modernists and salafis...
Sticking to One School
It is not religiously binding on the Muslim to stick to one school on all matters, without exception, as both al-Tahtawi and Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on them), the two leading late authorities for fatwa in the Hanafi school, both explain. Rather, there is nothing wrong with taking a dispensation if there is a need; what is impermissible is to make it a habit to seek out dispensations *.
The Path of Taqwa
The path of taqwa, as the scholars and sufis explain, is to avoid taking dispensations unless there is genuine hardship in following one's own school. In fact, they say that those who have learned their own school should seek out the strictest positions from other school whenever reasonably possible, so that one's worship and practice is sound without argument.
May Allah grant us beneficial knowledge, and the success to act according to it, on the footsteps of the His Beloved (Allah bless him and give him peace), with the secret of sincerity, without which actions are but lifeless forms.
And Allah knows best.
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Now, I hope you see what Faraz Rabbani is saying. Read it thoroughly. If you still don't get the grip, then unfortunately YOUR the one who are stubborn.
And.. PLEASE point out where I said nobody can issue a FATWA. Stop putting words in my mouth :) I guess that's what you guys are popular for. hehe*
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you very conveniently highlighted the parts that served your view, I am not a muqallid so I read the whole article instead of reading the highlighted parts
Sticking to One School
It is not religiously binding on the Muslim to stick to one school on all matters, without exception, as both al-Tahtawi and Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on them), the two leading late authorities for fatwa in the Hanafi school, both explain. Rather, there is nothing wrong with taking a dispensation if there is a need; what is impermissible is to make it a habit to seek out dispensations *.
you said that salafis don't follow a madhab and yet your shaikh says that you don't have to follow one madhab
you are a muqallid, so i guess i shouldn't have expected you to know this
Now, I hope you see what Faraz Rabbani is saying. Read it thoroughly. If you still don't get the grip, then unfortunately YOUR the one who are stubborn.
my point was that your own scholar says that one can take opinions from different madhabs
And.. PLEASE point out where I said nobody can issue a FATWA. Stop putting words in my mouth :) I guess that's what you guys are popular for. hehe
you said the only ones who can change the ruling of imam abu hanifa were his students, well none of his students are alive today so that means no one can change the rulings of the hanafi fiqh*
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The Path of Taqwa
The path of taqwa, as the scholars and sufis explain, is to avoid taking dispensations unless there is genuine hardship in following one's own school. In fact, they say that those who have learned their own school should seek out the strictest positions from other school whenever reasonably possible, so that one's worship and practice is sound without argument.
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Again an important issue brother why am I against these issues of sects and reason we believe in Quran and Sunnah rather than being a muqallid(I feel Allaah, first thought Adam may peace be upon him knowledge and its obligatory on us to acquire knowledge), a blind follower. The above keywords,
It should have been written The Path of Taqwa, according to Quran and Sunnah, *rather than scholars and sufis.*
Btw, can someone please define me how can the path of taqwa be achieved according to these scholars and sufis.
Please answer atleast my above question.
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Why Captain1 bhai, will we believe in that Aqeedah which formed later? That means we are following according to what our heart says. I find Wahhabi beliefs perfect but I have doubts that why did it form later? Were all the Muslims before that were misguided and ignorant? Or were there any Muslims before Ibn Taymiyyah who just followed Quran and Sunnah and where there any Muslims differ from four Imams who just followed Quran and Sunnah in that time?
I am myself as a normal Sunni and usually we do not mention regarding Aqeedah and sects outside, not even in Masjid. I follow Imam Hanifa. I am a student and still researching and do not believe in my opinions regarding this please.
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Over period of time impurities/corruption do occur in everything, even in religion people add on either cultural entities into religion or twist some ruling to accomodate their cultural/personal desires, so if someone removes them it shouldn't matter 'when' as long as we are going back to Sunnah and Quran rather than our own thoughts/inferences.
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Yes my Sheikh is saying that we can follow more than one madhab but there you missed what he said about following more than one. It is dangerous because it can become haram (following nafs).. and also going back and forth everytime when you need to (which can also lead to following your nafs).. which is why you take out the things that cause the haram in the first place so that you don't cry later. IE: taking off cable so your child doesn't watch adult material.
In this case, most of the Alhe-Sunnah Sheikhs say, stick to one madhab because if you start following other madhabs at the same time, you will start following your nafs which is HARAM.
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No, you are confusing now. When a person opts to follow any of the madhab in any issue then he is not following his nafs rather he is choosing one of the options provided in religion, he is not making up his own option which could be considered as following nafs.
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Brother there are different rulings according to each of the Imams and if an individual has an issue and favors the Shafi ruling over the Hanafi just because he favors it, that's following ones nafs.
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So, I will pose the same question again, keeping in mind that sticking to one madhab is not an obligation, how exactly do the salafis follow their desires?
give appropriate evidence, if you have nothing better to add other than making false accusations then at least admit that you were wrong
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give appropriate evidence, if you have nothing better to add other than making false accusations then at least admit that you were wrong
How is the majority of ahle-sunnah suddenly wrong? Salafis make ijtihad themselves which is wrong. So it is wrong. Wrong.
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First of all that does not answer the question that I asked.
Secondly you are making more false allegations without providing any evidence. In Islam, one is not allowed to make accusations without evidence and if this is done without sufficient evidence then the accuser is punished. So please, provide evidence otherwise keep quiet.
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there you go, you accpeted yourself that favouring one imaam's ruling over the other is same as following the nafs, which is simply haram. (correct if i'm wrong) Then please tell me what is taqleed? Isn't taqleed is samethingthat favours one Imaam's saying, rulings and teachings over the others?
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Indeed Captain bhai, the religion is perfect. If you find one error (even a tiny one) in a sect, means it is wrong. By the way, aren't your beliefs be same as cricketplaya bhai?
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Yes, you remove/ignore any error to make it better.
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By the way, aren't your beliefs be same as cricketplaya bhai?
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Could be, just that I don't believe in one following one madhab strictly even though most of what I follow is still from Imam Abu Hanifa's madhab.