Re: Teachings of Mujaddiths who follow Haneefi Madhab
so then what type of changes are mujtahids allowed to make?
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What stuff would that be? Please list it.
Who said following ONE madhab is the requirement and if you take something which you believe is logical and* in accordance with*** Quran and sunna then what is the problem and where is the innovation in that?
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Who said changes?
They are able to derive rulings from the Quran and Sunnah.
"Ask those who know well if you know not."
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Who said following ONE madhab is the requirement and if you take something which you believe is logical and* in accordance with*** Quran and sunna then what is the problem and where is the innovation in that?
There is the problem, you cannot go by your desires/nafs. That is haram. Are you a learnt scholar? What about the begger on the street or that uneducated farmer, you want him to able to make a ruling which is "LOGICAL".. give me a break!
Where does is it say that we CANNOT follow one madhab?
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Did you read the hadith about getting educated is farz on all Muslims?
I am sure you are also aware of verse in Quran to refer to 'learned' ones on issues which are confusing/difficult, Quran didn't say to refer to learned ones for each and every affair of life, right? (I am not suggesting that nobody follows any Imam here). Also what I get the feeling from reading all this is that it is closing doors for common man towards learning and reserving them only for "scholars".
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One question that arises here is that why one is obliged to follow only one of the four Math-habs when all of them are correct? The answer to this question is that if people are left free to follow any Math-hab at given moment and situation then this will undoubtedly lead to people making their desires subject of obedience which is Haraam as mentioned in the Holy Quran: Did thou see him, who took his vile desires for his deity, and in spite of all the comprehension, Allah misguided him and sealed off his ear and his heart, and set a veil over his eye? Now After Allah, who will guide him? Will you then not take heed?? (Surah Jaathiyah, Verse 23)
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Incorrect. If you are following different imams on different issues then it shouldn't be a problem as long as all 4 of them are right on the issue, the only issue is when it comes to formulazing constitution or issues like "talaq" then it will become hard. But other then that I don't see any problems. Its not as if a follower is making up his own fiqh and following his desire therein.
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In this way Deen will become a mock. Therefore it will be necessary to choose one Math-hab and follow the commandments of Shari?ah as interpreted by the Imam of that Math-hab.
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Following one madhab will become possibly necessary when an issue comes to courts, at this time which is sorta far-fetched issue as most of our courts are secular in nature.... and not all issues will have complexity of mixed-madhab.
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They are able to derive rulings from the Quran and Sunnah.
"Ask those who know well if you know not."
i guess i jumped some steps to get to this point,
you said that Imam Abu Hanifa said if there is a stronger opinion than his, then they should follow that opinion. BUT he said it to his students not to us. His students were mujtahids and WE are NOT mujtahids.
so this means that mujtahids are the only ones who can make changes to the rulings of Imam Abu Hanifa, correct?
so, who exactly are these mujtahids?
these mujtahids were they his immediate students only or is it referring to any mujtahid who comes after him?
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Captain bhai, I am no scholar, and the guy you are quoting and answering back is a very well respected Mufti, I don't know about you but I am not that educated in answering back to the scholar. That doesn't mean that a man should not go and seek knowledge outside of the scholar window.
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you said that Imam Abu Hanifa said if there is a stronger opinion than his, then they should follow that opinion. BUT he said it to his students not to us. His students were mujtahids and WE are NOT mujtahids.
so this means that mujtahids are the only ones who can make changes to the rulings of Imam Abu Hanifa, correct? so, who exactly are these mujtahids? these mujtahids were they his immediate students only or is it referring to any mujtahid who comes after him?
Again, where do you see "CHANGES", it only means follow the stronger of opinion, not to make changes.
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okay so what does following the stronger opinion mean?
the way i understand is that the mujtahids are allowed to overrule the ruling of Imam Abu Hanifa
I guess that understanding is incorrect, so what is the correct understanding of "following the stronger opinion"?
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The stronger opinion is of the other Imams.
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okay so let me recap everything then
Imam Abu Hanifa said that mujtahids are the only ones who can search for the stronger opinion and this stronger opinion only comes from the other Imams
so what exactly are salafis doing that goes against the above statement?
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**Get me documented proof of Abu Hanifa written by Abu Hanifa himself.Answer this question.
I want an answer, please do it. Common.
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Btw, sher if we feel we are doing wrong, and if we have wronged anyone by guiding to the path of falsehood.
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**I with complete humbleness, stick my neck out individually that let me burn in hell. As in the hadith of the Prophet, if i have innovated in his matters and spoken a lie against his teachings.
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Imam Abu Hanifa is asserted if my teaching go against the teaching of the Prophet salAllaahwaliussalam,** then throw my teachings to the wall**, ignore them completely.
*Imam Abu Hanifa again if my teachings are compatible with the Prophetic tradition thats sunnah, then it is my madhab. *
Imam Abu Hanifa, when he was teaching his students, and one of them was writing it down. Abu Hanifa with complete humbleness states, dont take down my teachings to the best, because I am still a mortal. Today i might say something and tomorrow I can contradict.
This was Abu Hanifa, rahimulaah.
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This are the answers from Ebrahim Desai, from the website our brother quotes.
3195 & 7729(3195 you can please search you wont get it I could not find this answer. Could you give us proof from Quran and Sunnah what you have explain and your claim that Ahlus sunnah Wal Jamaa beleive prophet Muhammed (saw) is alive in his grave. with regard to question no 3195 & 7729. Dear Mufti Could you give us proof from Quran and Sunnah what you have explain and you cliam that Ahlus sunnah Wal Jamaa beleive prophet Muhammed (saw) is alive in his grave. What really Ahlus sunnah Wal Jamaa believe in this matter is **www.islam-qa.com](http://www.islam-qa.com); The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was a human being who suffered from sickness and real death the same as any other human being. Allaah said (interpretation of the meaning): Verily, you (O Muhammad) will die, and verily, they (too) will die [al-Zumar 39:30] And We granted not to any human being immortality before you (O Muhammad); then if you die, would they live forever? [al-Anbiyaa 21:34] **The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died and was buried in his grave, hence al-Siddeeq Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: Whoever used to worship Muhammad, Muhammad has died, but whoever used to worship Allaah, Allaah is alive and will never die.
***Answer in the next post.
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Answer 7959
2003-04-30
In your question, you have quoted a few Aayats and the incident of Abu Bakr (Radhiallaahu Anhu). In actual fact, these have nothing to do with Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) being alive in his grave because the Aayat and the incident of Abu Bakr (Radhiallaahu Anhu) have to do with Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) passing away from this Dunyaa. This is an accepted fact. Everyone agrees that Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) passed away for this earthly life.
Everyone also agrees that Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) is alive in his grave but what has to be understood is how is Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) alive in his grave. If this is understood, I am sure that your objection will evaporate.
Firstly, it should be known that after the death of a person the life of Barzakh (interval between death and resurrection) takes place. In this regards, both the Muslim and the Kaafir are equal. This is the view of Ahlus sunnah wal Jamaa. This has been proven through many Ahaadith. To cite a few: When a person is placed in his grave and his companions depart from him, verily, he hears their footsteps, two angels come to him, they make him sit up, then they address him (Mishkaat pg.24; Qadeemi)
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Allah Ta'ala Knows Best **
**Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Re: Teachings of Mujaddiths who follow Haneefi Madhab
This was Abu Hanifa, rahimulaah.
Did he say to throw EVERYTHING or just what goes against Prophet PBUH's teaching? What is the purpose of this post?
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The same person who started the thread** Are Prophets dead?**
Commented Prohets are in the life of*** duniyavi and not barzhakiya.***
This what happens with blind belief, when people talk without evidence.
I am not being personal but my point of view is be ratiaonale in your thinking.
Now what more can I comment, when the teachings keep varying.
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I hope I have been pellucid Captain1 only the teaching which go against the Prophetic Tradition, do not accept it infact throw the teachings to the wall.
This was the humbleness of Abu Hanifa, and these are his own comments and not mine.
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Check out the answers one can go upto, without any authentic evidence. We are fighting for the truth of Quran and Sunnah, and every point we prove is from authenticity and evidence. Not blind following. Though this is there in Fiqh us Sunnah, where comprehensive explanatiion is provided in subject of Zikr, i read it yesterday, after i went throught this.
Question No. 13481
How and when did the 5 Kalimahs come into existence? Is it mandatory to memorize each of these? Would it be possible to provide the transliteration and the meaning of each? **
**Answer
*The 5 Kalimahs came into existence to facilitate the easy memorising and learning of Aqeedah (beliefs). It has no Sharee compulsion as far as its memorising is concerned. When they came into existence is not known. *
*Allah Ta'ala Knows Best *
*Mufti Ebrahim Desai *
I pray to God let all Muslims, come towards the right path.
In sub continent if you dont know the above 5 kalima, you are considered an outcast amongst the Muslims as it is compulsory to memorise.
We are made a laughing stock, when we dont know the 5 kalima.
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so what exactly are salafis doing that goes against the above statement?**
i'm still waiting for brother circketplaya's answer to this question.