It is really easy to quote Quran and put a green Bismillah on it.
However you never understood the nature of thread.
You complain about defame or nicknames. Heck your favorite Taliban are blowing up innocent people via their favorite method of getting 72 hoors.
This Kafirana custom of suicide bombing didn’t exist during our Messenger pbuh time. Otherwise there would have been an Aya or at least a hadees clearly saying “O ye believe! do not kill fellow human beings using suicide bombs hidden in your jackets”.
Or
O ye belive, do not kill Shias while they mourn in an Imambargah.
Or
O ye belive, do not throw hand grenades in a church when people call Jesus AH name.
Or
O ye believe, do not kill innocent people in the London subways when they are heading to work.
I can go on.
But I know some people will continue supporting Taliban while they do Kuffar’s work of killing Pakistani men, women, and children.
I did not comment on the nature… if you noticed, I took out some wordings because I was not against those. I am for Pakistan and I am for Islam but I am not for name calling. The forum is showing up BIASES where anyone calling names to political leaders is being banned, and rightly so, but calling names to some other humans is perfectly alright?
First, Taliban are not my favourite
Second, blowing up innocent people is UNISLAMIC and whoever does it, does not represent Islam
Third, sarcasm is over flowing about 72 hoors. I do not think that suicide bombing of such nature bear any fruits here and in life hereafter
I think I already answered that.
thanks for the info.
are you refering to the incident in India?
and you think ‘Muslims’ did that?
I know. Please, carry on.
This is all you can accuse where I only quote an AYAH from QURAN about name calling … WoW
People here who are giving Islamic Justifications for these Taliban Nazis and Al Qaeda Facists need to realize that people are not muslim.
Just because they have a beard and yell God is Great when they blow themselves up killing innocent people in crowded places does not make them muslim.
These people are brainwashed terrorists who need to be destroyed.
If these animals gather in one area, then all the better for us, as we send in some tanks and helicopter gunships and wipe these animals out from the face of the planet.
These Tribals are the most useless humans on earth.
M2K...we all do say that. I for one believe they are not Muslims, whatsoever. Muslims don't go blow themselves up. The minute you plan to take another innocent life, it's like you have planned on the murder of the whole of humanity.
The issue is that some of us get excited and label anyone who quotes anything from the Quran as an Islamist or terrorist. That's nothing more than paranoia.
Just as well, anyone who twists the verses of Quran to justify any act which is condemned with Quran itself, is a hypocrite to begin with. We're back to square one.
People here who are giving Islamic Justifications for these Taliban Nazis and Al Qaeda Facists need to realize that people are not muslim.
Just because they have a beard and yell God is Great when they blow themselves up killing innocent people in crowded places does not make them muslim.
These people are brainwashed terrorists who need to be destroyed.
If these animals gather in one area, then all the better for us, as we send in some tanks and helicopter gunships and wipe these animals out from the face of the planet.
These Tribals are the most useless humans on earth.
They havent given one contribution to humanity.
Salam,
According to what I see (PBS DOCUMENTARY ON WOMAN IN ISLAM; which I was appauled to see on tv recently) Women in peshawar have absolutely NO problem with the taliban.
Infact, US HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO WIPE OUT BURQA WEARING WOMEN, they have not "liberated" any women there. Women still choose to wear burqah, at their own will.Thus all that defaming, all that bad image that the media in the west and in Pakistan (subsidaries of the US) tried so hard to impose on the world, has no objective elements in modern day peshawar. Its infact quite the opposite. More women, including christian women are wearing it in order to feel more safe. And the taliban are ordering it for their own safety, and people have a choice.
There are (evident reports) of women NOT wearing burqah, and wearing jeans within peshawar. Appaulling as it may be to some narrow-minded receipents of western news, but that is true.
As for these people being extremists, I think support for the two greatest devils (America and Israel) is objectively just, no one needs to run it in their media, its self evident, and they are criminals, the whole world acknowledges it.
So whoever supports the zionist movement, or the american government supports the largest organized terrorists in the world. Period.
Israel is not a state never will be, zionists need to drown in the sea, and be wiped from this planet.
If you want to talk terrorism, talk Israel. Pakistan is long way down the list.
I wonder what would have happened to them if they said something otherwise
Good for them. What about women who don’t want to wear a burqah? What choice do they have?
Ya ok buddy. You mean to tell me that a woman can walk around without a burka, listen to music and drive a car alone. Modern Peshawar.
You really expect me to believe that Christian women are wearing burka because they feel safe or they have no other choice ?
My God Cresent, come up with better excuses than that
Really Reports?
Please show me some
I dont care about America or Israel. I care about Pakistan and I don’t want to see Pakistan over run by such barbaric, primitive thinking as these pigs.
Bringing Israel and America is a cop out because you are digging at the bottom of the barrel. And if you bring in the Israelis that means if I am against these people that means I am working for the Israelis.
Bad attempt, try again buddy.
No comment there
Just this emotion should sum up the absurdity of that statement
Why are you bringing Israelis into this. This discussion is about your Taliban Friends.
Again why bring Israel into this?
I am talking about Pakistan. As because these savage barbarians have killed over 1,000 people.
But then again any crime committed by these pigs is excusable in your eyes.
49:11 O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former): Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong.
Second, blowing up innocent people is UNISLAMIC and whoever does it, does not represent Islam
.... and you think 'Muslims' did that?
For those of us who dont buy the (very plausible) idea that Taleban in Pakistan dont really order suicide bombings, and only claim to do them to... well, look cool, your attempts to defend your position basically make the verse inapplicable.
Brother you should understand that these Fisadis are worse than ‘Morons’ and in character they are worse than ‘dogs’. Allah has not told Muslims to find ‘Morons and dogs’ where ever they are and kill them, but Allah has told Muslims that to find fisadist and kill them whereever they are, because Allah do not like fisadis and consider them worst than murderers.
**We should realise that according to Islam, all who spread Fitna and ****peaceful humans are not safe from their shaaar (persecution and oppression), ****deserve to get killed by state.
**People like Rasheed (of lal-Mosque) were doing fitna in Islamabad (as well as propagating fitna in Pakistan), breaking the laws of the country, challenging the state and constitution of the state, occupying properties of other people and state illegally, not obeying orders of state, making life of peaceful citizens around them hell, and thus deserve to get killed and according to Islam, all such people like him who do fitna would go to hell.
Similarly Mullah Radio of Swat deserved to get killed as he was doing similar fitna in Swat (and also propagating fitna in Pakistan), challenging the State and was making life of people in the area hell (people whose liberty and protection is duty of state)
Similarly, it is duty of state to act against those who are doing fitna in FATA, fighting state with arms, killing government employees as well as people of armed forces, giving refuge and protection to foreign elements that state considers enemy of state, spreading terror all around them, making life of people in the area as well as different parts of Pakistan insecure and miserable, using Pakistani land to attack other countries against the wishes of Pakistan, attacking those who are allies of Pakistan, killing innocent citizens of Pakistan, breaking and challenging Pakistani constitutional laws, taking laws in their own hand … and thus deserve getting killed according to Islam.
**Here is Quran: **Killing is not allowed Except for just cause, justice and law.
YUSUFALI (17:33): Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law).
YUSUFALI (6:151): Say: “Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from”: Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.
**Order of Allah to fight those that spread fitna (persecution, tumult and oppression, …) until there is no more fitna, as Fitna is worse than slaughter in the sight of Allah. **
YUSUFALI (2:191): And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith
YUSUFALI (2:193) And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
Even if constitution of Pakistan was exactly same as Meesaq-e-Madina (constitution that Prophet (SAW) gave to Medina) and Pakistan was Madina (as far as that constitution is concerned)… than also … read where these rascals stand .. as even according to Meesaq-e-madina, these Muttafannis should get killed.
**Meesaq-e-Madina: **
Article 20: A non-believer shall enjoy same right of life protection as Believers
[These rascals do not even like to let Muslims live peacefully in Pakistan, as even if a Muslim do not agree with them in any matter, including their interpretation of Islam, they would persecute him]
Article 26: All believers would stand together against a murderer and nothing shall be lawful for believers except opposing murderer.
[These retarded rascals do not hesitate to kill even children … and train innocent kids to become suicide bombers so that they can use them to kill innocent others … so these rascals do not just kill but propagate killing and support murder]
Article 27: Whoever does mischief and subvert constitution would not be given protection or concession. A believer shall not provide any protection or concession to those engage in mischief and subversion against constitution. [Further, according to Meesaq-e-Madina, anyone that does provide protection or concession to mischief makers would get warth of Allah on day of judgment and would find no excuse)
[These people spread mischief wherever they get control … and subvert Pakistani constitution as their right. According to Meesaq-e-Madina, even those who support them Fitna-gar murderers are jahannumi]
Article 30 to Article 40: Guarantee of freedom of religion for both Muslims and non-Muslim minorities and equal rights.
[These Khabees do not believe on equal rights for anyone that do not agree with their interpretation of Islam, as well as Non-Muslims]
Article 42: No exception from the law of retaliation and there should be no impediment on anyone who wishes to avenge their wound
[Well, according to Meesaq-e-Madina .. anyone these retarded people act against have right to avenge their wound and Muslims should help those who want their avenge from them retards]
Article 43: Whoever commits and unlawful killing shall be responsible of it
Article 45: Muslims and non-Muslims would mutallay help one another in case of foreign aggession as allies (whoever are citizen of the state).
Article 46: There would be mutual consultation and honourable dealing with each other (Muslims and Non-Muslims) and there would be no violation of pledges.
Article 47: Prohibition of treachery … and both (Muslims and Non-Muslims) will help oppressed.
[When these retarded Rascals fight Pakistani forces and give refuge and protection to non-Pakistanis who are fighting Pakistani forces, than they are doing treachery with Pakistan, that is prohibited in Islam .. as well as according to Meesaq-e-Madina].
Article 49: Prohibition of fighting and bloodshed amongst various communties of the state (Muslims nad non-Muslims)
[These retarded Rascals are involved in most of sectarian violences in Pakistan … as well as bloodshed of non-Muslims like Christians living in Pakistan who are equal Pakistani Citizen]
Article 50: Equal rights and protection of life for all (Muslims and non-Muslims).
Article 53: No refuge to the enemy of the State nor any refuge for their allies.
[Again, these people have given refuge to people who Pakistan consider as enemy of Pakistan and enemy of Pakistani Allies in Afghanistan]
Article 57: Basic constituent members of this document (every citizen of the State) and their associates shall posses equal constitutional status.
[These people are in illusion that they have or should have higher status in Pakistan than Non-Muslim Pakistani citizens]
Article 59: No party shall have any right to violate the constitution and every person who becomes guilty of crime shall be responsible for his action alone.
No traitor or oppressor shall have any right of protection.
[These people believe that it is their right to violate Pakistani Laws. These people are traitor and oppressor and thus deserve no protection]
Article 62: All peaceful citizen living in Medina will be provided protection towards their safety and security except those that oppress or violates contstitution.
[When these people become threat to other Pakistani citizens than it is right of state to give them a big danda what they deserve].
Salam,
Just guna use this line on you, for thinking israel and america are angels.
I cannot even discuss anything with an individual who thinks america and israel are angels.
Have a good day!
wsalam.
You really think by changing the discussion to Israel and America and calling them terrorists is somehow going to make the Taliban and Al Qaeda into angels?
Just guna use this line on you, for thinking Taliban and Al Qaeda are angels.
I cannot even discuss anything with an individual who thinks Taliban and Al Qaeda are angels.
You really think by changing the discussion to Israel and America and calling them terrorists is somehow going to make the Taliban and Al Qaeda into angels?
Just guna use this line on you, for thinking Taliban and Al Qaeda are angels.
I cannot even discuss anything with an individual who thinks Taliban and Al Qaeda are angels.
Have a good day!
You are very generous my friend...I can not stand a person who thinks even they are human...you too, have a good day!
By all means, call anyone DOG or MORON. Can we call Altaf with same wording since he did about the same?
Anyway, if you and Saleem have a written proof from Allah that it is okay to do name calling in this context, then, by all means, do whatever you want. It’s between you and Allah.
Did Prophet:saw2: and his companions (RA) did the name calling of Mushrikeen whom they were fighting? Please, provide reference.
You really think by changing the discussion to Israel and America and calling them terrorists is somehow going to make the Taliban and Al Qaeda into angels?
Just guna use this line on you, for thinking Taliban and Al Qaeda are angels.
I cannot even discuss anything with an individual who thinks Taliban and Al Qaeda are angels.
If Altaf, Zardari, or Munnah Raja commit the same horrendous acts of suicide bombings, ransom, poppy production, then by all means call Altaf with a name that justifies his illicit acts.
During Arab times, everyone took along poets who would recite derogatory poems and songs against their enemies. You got to read up poetry (both by Muslim and non-Muslim Arabs) that they recited against each other.
However Taliban today are doing the work of Mushriks, Munafiks, and above all terrorist Kaafirs. So the Taliban should be called as such. No name calling at all.
i am suprprised no one has evenmntionned the taliban taking over kohat tunnel briefly. kohat tunnel connects peshawar and kohat and opened over 3-5 years ago. this area was not amilitant stronghold but it appears theyhave been driven out according to the army. these hills connect to badaber where there is an airforce complex and cherat which is an ssg centre right?
