They were khawarijis since they created ideological framework for these fanatical suicidal wahabi/salafi/radical/crazy mullahs.
and what is your evidence for this? I'm specifically referring to Taliban having any kind of association with "crazy wahabis", let's have a look at your evidence?
Taliban allegedly 'killed' polish journalist recently, after refusing money for their prisoners.
This is worldwide news, how does your post justify that?
If you read my post, i said Taliban in Pakistan are nothing more then the killers and culprits of foriegn powers commited to destroy/damage Pakistan.
Killing a Polish Journalist or anyone does not make them more bad, as they are not thinking for or from Islamic prespective, although they use the curtain of Islam to hide.
This is again done coz, Islam has to be defamed, there should be consensus among the world to declare Pakistan as failed state, and for that, MQM was used earlier as an ethinic group, now Taliban are doing their task.
My Point was, Taliban cannot be compared to Kharijites, as Kharijites use to follow an idealogy, whereas Taliban follow orders from their foreign masters.
This is why comparison holds with Khawarij. Just like them, Taliban are extremely committed to their ideology, and just like them they consider anyone disagreeing with them as kafir and worthy of execution.
Khawarij were extremely pious. Many of them had nishan e sajda on their forehead.
So anyone considering himself pious does not necessarily make him one. Prophet's hadeeths also show this. Taliban and khawarij are examples.
I wonder if Talibans have any ideology to start with, there role so far is to create nuisance in the country, they kill everyone in a way that create terror, they fight each other and kill their own kind if feel like to do that.
Taliban is a new way of terrorism after the ethinic-terrorism in Pakistan was failed, like MQM and BLA was never able to gain any public support or sympathies from world.
This time our enemies has hit the sole foundation of Pakistan, that is Islam, they have created and armed these group of thugs and have name them Taliban, these thugs were X-Smugglers and well-known criminals, their God is money, whoever gives them money they worship him.
Taliban of Pakistan, under no circumstances falls into or can be compared with any religious movement of history, not even the worst one i.e. Qaramta Movement.
They are just terrorists wearing turban and growing beard does not make them or anyone muslim.
^Thats why the comaprison does not hold, Taliban are not pious nor comitted to an ideology, there way of work is typical mafia style. They extort locals, hold innocent for ransom regardless of ideology of their captors. They will do anything to get money and control. The murders and ransom of foreign nationals like Polish engineer. Khawarij did not do such acts. They did not bother people who were non-muslims or who were not part of the conflict. From whatever i read in media Taliban are not pious by any means, some don't even pray, others order locals to give their girls for marriage to Talibs. Many criminals have joined ranks of Talibs.
I think Mangal Bagh the notoriuos smuggler of FATA is also leading one the TALIBAN group
Domestic violence, intolerance, and violence are not traits related to Taliban. Now we have "taliban" in india.
That must mean, anyone with those traits is a taliban.
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those r the very traits of Taliban, infact they r much worse then these traits. and dont tell me i have watched too much tv as i do not watch tv. FYI i have had 2 members of my family killed by these people from hell (1 was a doctor, 1 was a writer/professor).
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If you read my post, i said Taliban in Pakistan are nothing more then the killers and culprits of foriegn powers commited to destroy/damage Pakistan.
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taliban were aided to a large extent by the pakistan army during their rise to power in 90s
so i dont see how you can justify this
thats exactly what i meant , snip you will always call them khawarij
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snip your fellow filthy taliban pigs should be locked away somewhere in the mountains snip. *snip*isn't someone moderating these forums ?
u are right they are not the answer but then why dont our rulers enforce shariah in our countries then there is no need for people like khawaij or taliban
what shariah...nobody wants sharaih enforced in this country. By nobody i mean nobody with a functioning brain not clouded by religious fanaticism.
There is no shariah to be enforced. You cannot get two ulema's of one fiqah to agree on any thing, how will you reconcile 73 sects and their interpretation of religion and shariah.
The best we can do is to find the lowest common denominator and stick to that. Then any logical system that provides ADL (Justice) is Islamic.
and what is your evidence for this? I'm specifically referring to Taliban having any kind of association with "crazy wahabis", let's have a look at your evidence?
Well its based on "observation", i am sure taliban don't admit to being wahabi. Hell even Wahabi's don't admit to being Wahabi.
Correct me if I am wrong but arent Salafi, Takfeeri, Wahabi, Ahl-e-Hadees, DeoBandees are various flavors of the same drink?
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these hypocritic Taliban supporters anger me. On one hand they post stuff like how peaceful Islam is etc and on the other hand they show solidarity with this devilish, filthy, criminal, jahil group called the Talibans. i pray to Allah SWT that on the day of judgement judge the Taliban supporters with the Taliban.
what shariah...nobody wants sharaih enforced in this country. By nobody i mean nobody with a functioning brain not clouded by religious fanaticism.
There is no shariah to be enforced. You cannot get two ulema's of one fiqah to agree on any thing, how will you reconcile 73 sects and their interpretation of religion and shariah.
The best we can do is to find the lowest common denominator and stick to that. Then any logical system that provides ADL (Justice) is Islamic.
same old excuses that are presented by people who want to live by man-made laws and under tyrannical govts.you say this because if there is a shariah state then the upper classes will have to give up their drinking fornication the arts/theater will be closed etc
iranians have successfully enforced shariah [according to their fiqah] in a predominantly 12er shia country why cant the same be done in a predominantly sunni country ?
even though there were many individual differences between iranian scholars like khomeni and gulpaighani etc
plus iranian revolution was also soaked in blood [not even counting the war with saddam]
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hah so which "logical" system will provide ADL ....adl by manmade system is actually even more elusive than even a shariah state
these hypocritic Taliban supporters anger me. On one hand they post stuff like how peaceful Islam is etc and on the other hand they show solidarity with this devilish, filthy, criminal, jahil group called the Talibans. i pray to Allah SWT that on the day of judgement judge the Taliban supporters with the Taliban.
Nusairee u have a personal grudge against taliban that has skewed ur perspective but if you think with a clear head u will realize why these reactionary movements like taliban were formed and exist to this day .....
its almost analogous to the formation of fascsist movements in early 20th century europe ....the fear of communism in their formation cannot be understated.similarly the rise of "puritannical" movements in islam did not occur in a political vacum
Well its based on "observation", i am sure taliban don't admit to being wahabi. Hell even Wahabi's don't admit to being Wahabi.
Correct me if I am wrong but arent Salafi, Takfeeri, Wahabi, Ahl-e-Hadees, DeoBandees are various flavors of the same drink?
that just shows how little u know about the different schools of thought in islam
u are just regurtitating whats fed to you by the secularists media in pakistan
Nusairee u have a personal grudge against taliban that has skewed ur perspective but if you think with a clear head u will realize why these reactionary movements like taliban were formed and exist to this day .....
its almost analogous to the formation of fascsist movements in early 20th century europe ....the fear of communism in their formation cannot be understated.similarly the rise of "puritannical" movements in islam did not occur in a political vacum
somebody might find ur analysis of use. my grudge against them is not based on any analysis but rather the reality.
Domestic violence, intolerance, and violence are not traits related to Taliban.
Says who? On what basis?
I personally know people impacted by taleban, their intolerance and their violence. So please dont talk rot.
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That must mean, anyone with those traits is a taliban.
This is one of the biggest misconceptions in modern politics.
Media feeds you filth, article after article, to a point where we start to believe it.
Then by that account, DO NOT get upset when the media labels ALL muslims as terrorists, because you have taken the courtesy to list ALL taliban and Afghans as terrorists.
Any bearded afghan does anything, its a "talibanistic" trait...thats as illogical as some of the posts in this thread.
chris brown is also a taliban btw.
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Once again, help us understand how you know if someone is taleban. You said Taleban killed the polish reporter. Are those really taleban? How do you know?
somebody might find ur analysis of use. my grudge against them is not based on any analysis but rather the reality.
thats exactly my point....
i know someone whose shop was torched by a shia mob protesting against the killing of some shias, he lost his life savings ...now this man is staunchly anti-shia and calls them kafirs ....should we believe him?
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DR theres a huge difference between a mob and an organization. if the group had been torching shops for years with a clear command and control structure, your friend would have been very right in being anti-shia.
So by that logic, all muslims are terrorists. Since murder by taliban is so brutal, and ok for the Pakistani army and US drones bombing peshawar and afghanistan.
We shouldn’t get heated up when non-muslims call us terrorists.
You know what I find hypocritical?
When resistance forces are degraded in the media and muslims themselves degrade them even more to please themselves.
Nussairee, I bet you have no problems with hezbollah or hamas, and if you dont, I know exactly why. I am guna take a wild guess from your previous posts and assume you’re from the Shia side of Islam, who dont really like taliban, yet have no problems with the accusations put forth by world media against Hezb and Hamas.
Hamas, Hezb, Taliban are all resistance forces trying to kick out invaders in their country.
However, the world ‘Taliban’ has been used to ascribe to any rural atrocities that come out of that area.
Honour killings exists in Karachi, is Karachi a “taliban” state?
A pakistani lahori father killed his daughter for not wearing hijaab (supposedly) here in Toronto, is he a Taliban?
See the failed logic here?
No matter what peace of information you get out of the news from that area, everyone assumes its the taliban. We have problems with Pakistani people, does that make Pakistani people and creed abnormal or deviant?
and Again, by that understand of world play, does that make ALL muslims terrorists?
If you think all taliban are bad, then you also believe all muslims are terrorists.
Read yvonne ridley’s first hand experience with the ACTUAL taliban, not your everyday pashtun mafia who owns land.
Also, if you have time really investigate beyond the filth of the media (who is on the SIDE of an UNJUST war AGAINST afghanistan, Iraq, AND palestine btw) then also take a look at a PBS documentary called, “Women in Afghanistan”.
Its a more unbiased (surprisingly) liberal view of a FEMINIST who went to afghanistan to investigate the education of girls UNDER taliban regime.
And this was BEFORE the afghan war. You should see how happy the women are.
Unless ofcourse, like everyone else in the world, we started to realize what “taliban” were AFTER US invaded the country.
The point here is, no one supports killings of innocent people, or throwing acid on girl’s faces 
regardless of how dramatic the media portrays it to continue war in that region, similarly to how Hamas was accused of using human shields, and stopping aid from reaching civilians of Gaza, or how Hezb has used terror to justify their authority in lebanon.
As far as their similarity to kharijites goes, kharijites cannot be compared period. those guys divided the Ummah by going after our beloved Ali r.a.
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thats exactly my point.... i know someone whose shop was torched by a shia mob protesting against the killing of some shias, he lost his life savings ...now this man is staunchly anti-shia and calls them kafirs ....should we believe him?
mobs are criminals, just like Taliban are.
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^ crescent with all due respect ,
taliban are more than just a resisitence movement , even though i dont agree that all of them are hardened criminals yet their ideology of ruthless extermination of their opposition is different from hamas and hezbollah.Also taliban formed in their present form AFTER the soviets were driven and some of their grts hits have been against fellow afghans
granted that their are tribal factors [pastun vs hazara/tajik] as well as sectarian ones in this feud.And the northern[or tajik/shia] alliance dosent exactly have a spotless record either but in this respect they are very similar to khawarij .....
like I said the their stance seems more justified than early kahawarij since taliban's opponents are secular nominal muslims while taliban atleast in some way seem to bring back islamic identity to afgahnaistan.
But you are right most criticism of taliban from shias seems hardly objective since they are perfectly willing to justify any atrocities that are done by shia extremist religious groups