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this was not unique to khawarij ....if u read about bushr b abi artat a enemy of khawarij he committed similar atrocities in yemen
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so who defines this “moderation”
actually orthodoxy itself is moderation in islam
but u people define moderates those who only follow what is convenient in islam **
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my other big problem with using kahwaij title too liberally is that firons of today nasser, sadat and mubarak have demonized the islamic opposition in their countries as khawaij and many puppet mullahs of arab world have endorsed that
if u read hasan al-bana and sayyid kutub they were very far from the kahwarij
my other big problem with using kahwaij title too liberally is that firons of today nasser, sadat and mubarak have demonized the islamic opposition in their countries as khawaij and many puppet mullahs of arab world have endorsed that if u read hasan al-bana and sayyid kutub they were very far from the kahwarij
They were khawarijis since they created ideological framework for these fanatical suicidal wahabi/salafi/radical/crazy mullahs.
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Kharijites had an idealogy, they believed in their idealogy and they sacfrificed what ever they could for the same, they were not servicing anyone, niether do they had any political ambitions at that time.
Taliban of Pakistan ( in Swat & FATA) on the other hand are culprits of foriegn powers, they are fed by them they live on their support, they day this support is withdrawn, they'll diminish. Ther are nothing more than the traiters, who had brought fasad on their homeland, who kill for the sake of money and who have no religion what so ever.
Comparing both of them doesn't make any sense to me. I am not fan of Kharijites as they have a wrong idealogy to start with but i do respect people who live on an idealogy rather just murder and die for sake of money.
Kharijites had an idealogy, they believed in their idealogy and they sacfrificed what ever they could for the same, they were not servicing anyone, niether do they had any political ambitions at that time.
Taliban of Pakistan ( in Swat & FATA) on the other hand are culprits of foriegn powers, they are fed by them they live on their support, they day this support is withdrawn, they'll diminish. Ther are nothing more than the traiters, who had brought fasad on their homeland, who kill for the sake of money and who have no religion what so ever.
Comparing both of them doesn't make any sense to me. I am not fan of Kharijites as they have a wrong idealogy to start with but i do respect people who live on an idealogy rather just murder and die for sake of money.
Taliban allegedly 'killed' polish journalist recently, after refusing money for their prisoners.
This is worldwide news, how does your post justify that?
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Its weird how many TALIBAN Sympathizers are there on this forum. The logic i here for their support is usually, well our rulers are corrupt the West is invading and the Jews are ruling mumbo jumbo....
trust me people, Taliban with their murderous ideology are not the answer and they don't have a game plan either
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i agree with hanibal, you may hate khawarijites but every historian acknowledges that Khawarij were extremely comitted to their ideology, they put there life where there tongue was. Even a few hundred Khawarij could kill few thousand of army. Taliban are opputunist warlords, for them its just about power.
If my mom and sister can walkdown peshawar without an abaya or scarf, then I am led to believe that your uttering bull feces.
Please turn of CNN :)
Peshawar does not belong to Taliban.
Please turn off Fazlullah FM radio.
but they should not be executed or massacred thats what khawarij did]
Isn't it what Taliban are doing today too? Execution and massacre of anyone who disagrees with them.
i agree with hanibal, you may hate khawarijites but every historian acknowledges that Khawarij were extremely comitted to their ideology, they put there life where there tongue was. Even a few hundred Khawarij could kill few thousand of army.
This is why comparison holds with Khawarij. Just like them, Taliban are extremely committed to their ideology, and just like them they consider anyone disagreeing with them as kafir and worthy of execution.
Khawarij were extremely pious. Many of them had nishan e sajda on their forehead.
So anyone considering himself pious does not necessarily make him one. Prophet's hadeeths also show this. Taliban and khawarij are examples.
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^Thats why the comaprison does not hold, Taliban are not pious nor comitted to an ideology, there way of work is typical mafia style. They extort locals, hold innocent for ransom regardless of ideology of their captors. They will do anything to get money and control. The murders and ransom of foreign nationals like Polish engineer. Khawarij did not do such acts. They did not bother people who were non-muslims or who were not part of the conflict. From whatever i read in media Taliban are not pious by any means, some don't even pray, others order locals to give their girls for marriage to Talibs. Many criminals have joined ranks of Talibs.
Taliban allegedly 'killed' polish journalist recently, after refusing money for their prisoners.
This is worldwide news, how does your post justify that?
is that the 'real' taleban, or the CNN taleban? please let us know of your method too, what do you look for when deciding realness?
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What difference does it make if taliban are the kharajis?
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yea i guess its easy to be a Taliban sympathizer while u r sitting in the comforts of ur Western homes. People conclude for themselves tht Taliban are somehow fighting for "Islam".
for me, some1 who has had first hand experience of this creed, they are anything but opposite of the real teachhings of Islam. Their treatment of the women, their appaling tolerance levels, brutal violence, opposition to education, tribalism are just the traits that ISlam came to fight against!
yea i guess its easy to be a Taliban sympathizer while u r sitting in the comforts of ur Western homes. People conclude for themselves tht Taliban are somehow fighting for "Islam". for me, some1 who has had first hand experience of this creed, they are anything but opposite of the real teachhings of Islam. Their treatment of the women, their appaling tolerance levels, brutal violence, opposition to education, tribalism are just the traits that ISlam came to fight against!
Domestic violence, intolerance, and violence are not traits related to Taliban. Now we have "taliban" in india.
That must mean, anyone with those traits is a taliban.
This is one of the biggest misconceptions in modern politics.
Media feeds you filth, article after article, to a point where we start to believe it.
Then by that account, DO NOT get upset when the media labels ALL muslims as terrorists, because you have taken the courtesy to list ALL taliban and Afghans as terrorists.
Any bearded afghan does anything, its a "talibanistic" trait...thats as illogical as some of the posts in this thread.
chris brown is also a taliban btw.
They were khawarijis since they created ideological framework for these fanatical suicidal wahabi/salafi/radical/crazy mullahs.
thats exactly what i meant , snip you will always call them khawarij
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Khawarij did not do such acts. They did not bother people who were non-muslims or who were not part of the conflict. From whatever i read in media Taliban are not pious by any means, some don't even pray, others order locals to give their girls for marriage to Talibs. Many criminals have joined ranks of Talibs.
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bhai problem is which khawarij faction are u talking about ? the original khawarij were far from perfect muslims
one of their leaders hurqus b zuhair accused even the prophet of being unjust and DEMANDED that he do justice
MANY criminals did join the early khawaij too ....mostly original khawarij are tribesmen of basran origin whose interests were not being served well by the status quo in ali's time.And many khawarij but not all ] later sold their loyalties to ummayyads as well
khawarij is a loose term applied to ALL religious opposition to kings after ali ...its interesting that many anti-khawarij revolts like that of hussain b ali, zayd b ali, tawwabun, ibn ashath were also labelled "kahawarij" by authorities
Isn't it what Taliban are doing today too? Execution and massacre of anyone who disagrees with them.
read my post again [post 18 and 20] their METHODS are the same
but their OPPONENTS are VERY DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF THEIR RELIGIOUS POSITION
Its weird how many TALIBAN Sympathizers are there on this forum. The logic i here for their support is usually, well our rulers are corrupt the West is invading and the Jews are ruling mumbo jumbo....
trust me people, Taliban with their murderous ideology are not the answer and they don't have a game plan either
u are right they are not the answer but then why dont our rulers enforce shariah in our countries then there is no need for people like khawaij or taliban