Taking care of moms

What I don't get is who made up the rule that parents must live in their son's house. Islamically, it says that "children" are to take care of their parents, not "the sons must take their parents in when they are unable to care for themselves."

I say this because when the parents move into their son's house, they are probably going to be spending the most amount of time with bahu because in most cases, their son is out at work and bahu is at home minding the home and kids. And let's face it, a bahu is not a real, blood daughter. I'm not saying it to be derogatory - it's just a fact. And when you're dealing with someone who isn't your blood relation, who hasn't lived with you for their entire childhood and even a good portion of their adult life, you can't treat that person in the exact same way as you would your flesh and blood child. Because from what I've seen, it turns into a problem a lot of times if you do.

For example, friend of mine is now married. Whenever she plans a visit to her parents' house, mom always says "just let me know in advance when you're coming so I can have everything ready for you." By that, her mom means, cleaning up the house, cooking a ton of food, and making sure she has everything for daughter and hubby to be comfortable. No big deal. Friend knows that mom takes her hostessing duties very seriously and likes to have her guests be uber comfortable when they come...she's been watching her mom do this for years. Now the first few times mom said that to her new bahu when friend's brother got married a few years back, bahu got offended. To her, that comment meant that MIL was being burdened by her visit and was trying to tell her that without actually saying it. So mom stopped and simply stuck with, "that's great that you're coming baita. Can't wait to see you."

Now whether or not that statement is offensive or bahu is being unreasonable, I don't know. What I do know is that the mother and daughter KNOW each other. Daughter knows that mom isn't intentionally trying to give offense because she's lived with mom, she knows every nuance of every expression and every word that comes from her mother. So whenever mom says that, to the daughter, it's just mom being mom and nothing more.

So anyway, I think in a lot of instances, it would be better if the parents lived with their daughters when they feel they can no longer care for themselves. It will most likely be the daughter who spends the most amount of time at home anyway so that is the person they'll interact with the most. Because there will be arguments, there will be disagreements, there will be hurt feelings...but at the end of the day, it will more than likely be put aside because both parties know that "it's my child/parent, they didn't mean it that way, let it go."

Not to say that parents can't live with their sons. But I think it just takes a lot more patience both on the part of the parents and the bahu. And I also think it's unfair to always place this responsibility on the shoulders of son and his wife (usually the older son and his wife) when all of the children - male and female - are obligated under Islam to care for their parents.

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^^^ What you are saying isn't totally wrong but here we are dealing with what we have. Lets say the only two people we are dealing with is bahu and saas and there is no daughter in the picture. Why can't we just work on just bahu and saas relationship.. Alternatives, there are many (nursing homes, daughter's house, some realatives house) but we should be able to get along and respect each other in any given relationship.

I think Niksik started this topic focusing on DIL, MIL relationship.

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Keep them busy. That's the key. They know that death is near so as that sucks, just keep them busy so they don't need to think much about it.

Islamically it is also a daughter's responsibility and as a woman I am just as serious about that as you are being male. I plan on keeping my parents and my husband will need to accept that.

BTW, what version of the Quran are you reading? I've never read a commandment to MEN to that effect.

That is just terrible.... I hope we are able to help all elders in our life find peace and happiness. It is our duty. This is the reality that we need to realize and make sure our elders are comfy and happy.

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Nursing homes - I never knew this but it costs up to 5000-7000 dollars per month to keep them in a nursing home. They don't get accepted into a home unless they've lost some basic activities of living like moving, eating, cleaning themselves after toileting, etc. These are elderly who need assistance and need to be watched. It gets to a point where even your imported bride, aka free elderly care babysitter, is not going to be able to manage. You men are going to make your wife clean your mom's behind everytime she goes to the toilet. You're going to hav her carry your parents from the wheelchair to the bed?

In western countries, elderly are living longer and they're spending more time being dependent on people in their old age. Sometimes you gotta hire special care. Not easy. It costs more to have an RN at your home for more than 2 hrs a day.

And elder abuse with nurses is common. You think there aren't bahus who may neglect your parents when you're at work?

I don't have brothers, but I wouldn't allow some bahu to take care of my mom. I like the idea of parents living with daughters.

It's a fact. They do have death looming on them and they know it. We're all going to deal with it in the future ourselves.

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My mom is going to live with me forever!

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PCG, at age 70, my mom is focused on her LIFE much more so than her death. She has made very sure that she will live out the remainder of her days in the manner SHE chooses. Is death on her mind? Very likely. But its SUREly not her focus.

Take an independent woman and turn her into a dependent...and yup, her focus willsurely start to focus on death and end of life.

My mom also prays to ALLAH all the time which I don't like "AYE ALLAH hamein chaltay haath per hi uttha ley" I know its good but I want to take care of my mom and she is like it will be your house and we will be bound.I think its control problem among mils or your own parents. My husband and I wish when my mom is done with their responsibilities they should move in with us for winter time and for summer time my elder sister wish they can go to their house.But right now they don't want this because it will be hard for them not to do things their own way.

I think she is being unreasonable......As unfair as it sounds, burden should lie on the bahu to make the adjustments and sacrifices and put aside her ego. Btw this should go without saying--I'm talking about normal MIL/DIL relationships, not the crazy abusive ones.

Anyways I know that's not the real subject here.... but as mentioned in the first post, i think it is very important for women to be self sufficient. Learn english, be educated, even if they don't work, have activities to keep yourself busy. Unfortunately in the older desi community, its not encouraged....
God forbid if I ever find myself in that situation, I would feel like I was a child again and really....what adults wants to feel like that? I'd rather live alone and have my independence and control when I have company and at least control my life than to live with anyone else.

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Ideally, no one should have egos and our society should stop creating these silly gender rules for people. It's caused our women to remain in te stone age. Nothing wrong in being able to run your own home, and sara as you haven't had to deal with living with your MIL's controlled domain, you have no clue how ridiculous your request is.

Sure, I agree people need to try harder and get along, but sometimes that's not reality.

Living with sons isn't the best option, I agree.

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  1. You have no idea about my life so quit making ridiculous assumptions. K?

  2. You've never been married, so going by your logic...alot of what you say about dealing with husbands and inlaws is pretty ridiculous as well.

Wrong to make generalizations.

My uncle suffered a stroke many years ago and his sons PLUS each of their wives devoted themselves to taking care of him so that he could live out the rest of days with dignity and in the comfort of his own home.

The sons jointly cared for their father and the wives were phenomenal - someone always stayed with him since he didn't like to go out very much. If there was a family event - one person from the couples would stay with him.

My uncle was fortunate in how dedicated his family, including the bahus were.

I agree. But you can't really know what's going on in someone's mind unless you've walked in their shoes. I remember from a while back this young woman in our community who came from Pakistan after marriage. She had a very conservative, traditional upbringing and we younger girls used to walk a tightrope around her because the slightest breaches in protocol would hurt her feelings (e.g. saying salaam to someone younger than her before we said salaam to her). It wasn't until I went to Pakistan and saw that there were households/communities that actually took this stuff very seriously that I began to understand her mindset. So while I didn't agree with this way of thinking, it allowed me to better understand her and give her a bit of slack. It was pounded into her head that THIS is the proper mode of behavior and it's difficult to change after so many years.

That said, like PCG mentioned, if we all put our egos aside a bit and try not to take everything so seriously - or rather, negatively - it would go a long way to improving EVERY type of relationship, whether it's saas/bahu, bhabi/nand, husband/wife, etc.

The way I see it--if my husband or someone else explained to me the intentions behind what my MIL said to me....I wouldn't be so offended.
Then again if no one explained the MIL's intentions behind what she said to her, and seh was just meant to assume the best....I can see why she wuld have a problem with it.

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Yes I agree. Let's put our egos, past experiences, and contol issues aside. Let's focus on the bigger issue. Providing comfort to elders regardless of whether they raised us or our spouse when they need it most.

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When my father passed away, my mother refused to live with any of us. She lived near my sister anyway, but refused to leave her home. She threw herself into her work, but after a few years, she re-assessed her life, quit her job, and has been globe-trotting with her friends ever since then…making a few trips back here to check in on us. :naak:

And she’s quite old. She doesn’t even want us to take care of her when she’s older and would rather be in a care home for the elderly. As her child, i simply hate her way of thinking…but as a parent myself, i see her point. She values her independence too much and as i’ve said myself many a time, i wouldn’t want to be a burden on my child, no matter how much they plead that i wouldn’t be.

As someone pointed out before you according to our religion its the childern's responsibility and not the son so my bad on that. Culturally that holds true though. I don't wanna derail this thread by going in who is responsible and how it should be addressed but if you start a separate thread then i'll be happy to share my views and thoughts on it.

ali puttar ur a very sugghar bacha :hmmm: