Re: Tahirul Qadri’s long march
Nothing newWhat is army trying to do?It was the first and clear win of democracy
No one went to the other camp
Even Sh Rasheed after announcing the support of TuQ and some big talks at Tv didn’t reach Islamabad .
Looking good days for Pakistan after election who so ever wins .
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TuQ chose to play 20/20 instead of PTI 5 days test match. Whatever result is Qadri get something and left behind corrupt politicians to think a more lot now how to RIG and how to form a care take govt. Also a lot of question mark on PTI confusing stance on it. What I guess real Ptians Want to join including IK but PTI hijacker including JI and banned outfits was opposing it. Now Waite for election results and tsunami ( if It have not died yet in Gujar nala) it was the golden time to cover the corrupt and family politics in coffin and raised a new one with new hopes. Nothing could change if we are not unite. And we are not unite, be ready for once again for ppp or pmln form next govt.
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A totally different consequence might have befallen the nation had PTI become a part of the long march. Imran is still taunted for his support for Musharraf's referendum; had the army intervened on the pretext of impending insurrection, the PTI would have been banished from Pakistan's political map for good. PTI's stake in the democratic system is far greather than PAT's.
Qadri's long march was one of the most toughest Catch-22 the PTI had faced ever. There were certainly two sets of opinion within the party — just as there were pro and anti sentiments about the march throughout the country — but an early end to the march, and a rather trifling one, would help the party to get back to business as usual.
PTI should now proactively try to make a bloc with PAT and JI to cash in on the zeal the long march has created. Though in the long run I do not see this government actualizing any significant point it agreed in the long march declaration, thus benefiting the PAT or the PTI, but still an opening is made for both the parties as their agendas are anyway fully compatible with each other.
I agree with you that the participation in the long march would have damaged PTI. Can you imagine Imran entering the long March and Qadri's negotiations with the government. In the end it was Qadris show. I believe Imran should have said no politely to qadri. The statement putting on hold PTIs workers for long march muddied the situation. The stance should have been clearer, yes or no. Anyways, they should put everything behind and start preparing for the elections.
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I'll add another thing, Imran khan is promising his tsunami march for a long time. Qadri promised and did his march and punctured Imran khans stance (as the demands were all what Imran ha been asking for a long time) for a march for ensuring free and fair elections. Imran shouldn't promise things which he can't deliver, like a tsunami march if Zardari doesn't resign. These things don't go well for the party.
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One to Canada ,Suggest the other too
http://pkaffairs.com/Play_Show_Bolta-Pakistan-Part-2–17th-January-2013_32220
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I am so glad that PTI did not officially show face in the march. This march was for the people by the people presenting their case with the current regime ... This was not a political opportunity to make a scene ... If IK had come it may have compromised the few agreements that TUQ achieved and people would have blamed him for trying to take the glory of someone else's efforts ... This is the mark of a new type of politics ... Those who say that IK should have attended are the people who want to keep the same type of politics in place ... The fact IK was invited by TUQ is also good ... But they both knew it was better for IK to stay home this time ...
Alhumdulillah this seems like a ray of hope on the horizon.
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Kitnay bholay hain aap ?
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I am so glad that PTI did not officially show face in the march. This march was for the people by the people presenting their case with the current regime ... This was not a political opportunity to make a scene ... If IK had come it may have compromised the few agreements that TUQ achieved and people would have blamed him for trying to take the glory of someone else's efforts ... This is the mark of a new type of politics ... Those who say that IK should have attended are the people who want to keep the same type of politics in place ... The fact IK was invited by TUQ is also good ... But they both knew it was better for IK to stay home this time ...
Alhumdulillah this seems like a ray of hope on the horizon.
Peace Mr. Psyah Bhola,
You trust anyone with a beard.. don't you see how people have been fooled..???
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Oh yeah, this I agree with. 
Then again MQM likes to play tennis from both sides of the court at once. But the flip flops from Imran left a lot to be desired. They even called party meeting for 6 o clock something, and then called it off. Opportunity to show political maturity lost, but then again, general public only has a memory of six months at most.
They will forget this in time and move ahead, as we approach elections.
Sounds great. 
Who so ever wins, you say? Showbazz, Malik Riaz, Dirtiest Politician or even Papa Padri as you like to call them. I think every one will win, it will be a hung parliament and then a fair amount of trading and deals will be made before a government is formed.
We have to remember PTI and JI (and maybe even PAT) will be contesting elections this time around, who were absent last time, including several smaller parties and independent candidates all over the country, and specially in places like Baluchistan. I do however agree, that the nation came out stronger after the show of this week, and good days could be ahead. Just could be.
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Psyah...dude.......DUDEEEE.....wakey wakeyyyy
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The only thing Qadri saved was his own A$$$$$
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but then if he had joined this march, some people might have accused IK of opportunism or causing anarchy (had the protests turned violent)
Yes a change is necessary but with just 4-5 months till the next election the timing of TUQ’s (I don’t doubt his intentions) march was not right imo
IK has repeatedly said that his party w’d not not accept (+/- consider launching a protest march) any caretaker set up decided exclusively by PPP and PML-N or formed without the consent of other parties, Let’s see
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^ I feel PTI was in a state of indecisiveness for the whole 4-5 days. Their stance was not clear. When Imran Khan appeared on TV two days back he was talking of not supporting the long march and on the same time asking his supporters to be ready for his call for Tsunami march. If I were in his place I'd have refused to participate in the march, and refrained of talking about the tsunami march as well. The next day PTI was supposed to do another press conference but after the categorical statement of the opposition of not supporting any unconstitutional mean the conference was cancelled and PTI announced that they wont participate (this should have been done the previous day). IK was saying that he supports Qadri's demands as most of those are what PTI has been demanding for a long time but he didnt agree with the unconstitutional way (long march) to have them implemented? If long march is unconstitutional is Tsunami march constitutional?
This was a test of IK's leadership skills and for me it has shown a lot of flaws. This round has been won over by PMLN appearing clear on the matter and tagging along whole opposition with them. IK should have tried to form some sort of coalition with JI and PKMAP to ensure their votes are not divided in pashtun areas but PMLN seems to have won them over too.
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www.facebook.com/v/477805362266301
Perhaps, manufactured "pakistni spring" failed because some men knew how to stand their grounds ?? Not a known concept to my fellow pakis.
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^ I feel PTI was in a state of indecisiveness for the whole 4-5 days. Their stance was not clear. When Imran Khan appeared on TV two days back he was talking of not supporting the long march and on the same time asking his supporters to be ready for his call for Tsunami march. If I were in his place I'd have refused to participate in the march, and refrained of talking about the tsunami march as well. He was saying that he supports Qadri's demands as most of those are what PTI has been demanding for a long time but he didnt agree with the unconstitutional way (long march) to have them implemented? If long march is unconstitutional is Tsunami march constitutional?
or any march for sure if:
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Well, frankly that’s exactly what would have happened. Still could happen.
Neither PPP, and surely not PML-N would want PTI to gather moment and pick up seats in the assembly. 20 maybe at most. And that’s what would have happened if there were no pressure on the government. The constitutional amendment says the leader of the house and leader of the opposition would agree on a name.
And Nawaz Shareef in all his wisdom invited everyone to his home, but not a single person from PTI. I guess that is what played on Imran’s mind when he flipped flopped on media, and his indecision reflected a bit poorly on the party. They will put it aside I am sure, but the concerns Ali_Syed raised are exactly what I have in mind.
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There are many conspiracy theories regarding this march, as to what the real objectives were. PTI would have been affected in any case by joining or refraining from the march. PTI has avoided a blow back by staying away from it, the only issue is that they should have been clearer in their stance.
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**Difference between military dictatorship and civilian set-up (however rotten & corrupt)
The difference between D Chowk and Lal Masjid is the difference between democracy and a military dictatorship. In a democratic setup, compromise is victory, violence is defeat.
In a dictatorship, there’s no victory without violence.
**Those holed inside the Lal Masjid were no democrats. They were armed, well-trained and battle hardened. They were not demanding electoral reforms. They wanted to enforce their views on the rest of the nation and depended only on their guns to achieve this.
And the Musharraf government, which initially showed some patience in dealing with the Lal Masjid crisis, ultimately proved that a military dictator is a military dictator. A military officer is not trained to compromise, so when confronted with a difficult situation, he loses his nerves and resorts to the only option he is trained to use, the gun.
When the militants and the military clashed, those with bigger guns won but the nation was a loser, which had to pay a heavy price for the mistakes it did not make.
Those who responded to Qadri’s call were no militants. They did not come to Islamabad with guns, explosives and suicide jackets. They came with blankets, food, and water, bringing their babies with them.
And the way the PPP government dealt with the situation shows that it definitely has the political insight to defuse a potentially explosive situation and is matured enough to keep national interests before its pride.
**President Asif Ali Zardari made it very clear in the beginning that his government will not use force against the protesters and that it’s their right to protest.
Except for some irresponsible and ridiculous statements from two of its ministers, the government behaved responsibility and handled the situation as it should have: with political acumen and an open mind.
And by accepting the compromise, Tahirul Qadri also proved that he too is a politician, besides being a pir and a cleric.
**“This is the beauty of democracy; a win, win situation for all parties and the ultimate winner is the people of Pakistan,” wrote an Islamabad resident, Kahar Zalmay, on his Facebook page soon after the compromise was announced.
“Just a farce enacted on us, what did he achieve is beyond me,” wrote Shafat Shafi, a Peshawar resident.
**“It’s not what he achieved,” responded Zalmay, explaining that the people of Pakistan were the ultimate victors as “their representatives avoided a (potentially dangerous) situation” and resolved it “peacefully and politically.”
**M Arshad Khan, a Pakistani living in London, argued that opinions could differ on what Qadri achieved but it cannot be denied that “democracy and the people of Pakistan won yet another battle” in the on-going struggle between democratic and non-democratic forces.
The democratic process, he noted, “achieved a lot and took a step further in ensuring that the Law of the Land is enforced in its true letter and spirit.”
“Lesson for Imran Khan: a long march never goes from Islamabad to Waziristan. It’s the other way round,” wrote Sabir Nazar, a Lahore blogger.
Not all were happy with the way the crisis ended, particularly those who view everything, even a cricket match, as a battle between Husain and Yazid.
“Strange is this politics, stranger the system; you claim ties to Husain and salute Yazid as well,” wrote Asma Mahmoud, a Toronto-based Pakistani.
This was the much quoted Urdu couplet on the internet on Thursday and started appearing on various sites as soon as it was announced that a government delegation was negotiating with Qadri in his bunker.
Aziz Narejo, a known Pakistani political activist, compared Qadri to Don Quixote, a character from Miguel de Cervantes’ novel El ingenioso hidalgo don Quijote de la Mancha, who sets out to revive chivalry. He recruits a simple farmer, Sancho Panza, as his squire, who frequently deals with Don Quixote’s rhetorical orations with a unique, earthy wit.
Narejo said that like Don Quixote, Qadri also has two Sancho Panzas, Pervez Musharraf and Altaf Husain.
“So what you get after spending billions & putting thousands of people, including infants, young children, women & old folks, in trouble? A 3-page agreement that is not worth the ink on it,” wrote Narejo.
“I appreciate the democratic minds of this country that they consider agreements as only ink,” retorted Shahid Soomro, a Pakistani living in Aachen, Germany.
Dozens of bloggers and Facebook lovers also praised President Zardari for dealing with the situation with calm and firmness, unlike his predecessors who often lost nerves when confronted with similar situations.
Mian Aamer: Islamabad-based lawyer, wrote: “Millions salaams to those who participated in the march and the sit-in, braving a hard and hostile weather … we fully support the outcome … democracy has been given another chance to deliver its fruits.”
“I congratulate Qadri and the government for showing to the world that we also can resolve a crisis in a peaceful and democratic manner,” wrote another blogger.
“The declaration shows a growing political maturity in the country,” wrote Fakhar Abbas from the Northern Areas of Pakistan. “It is a heartening picture, and one hopes that all future governments would learn from it.”
He added: “It is the peoples’ right to protest and governments are obligated to protect the protesters even when the protests are targeted against them.”
Another blogger noted that some dismissed the crowd as only 20-30,000 hired mercenaries, others estimate it as 10 times as much and consisting of highly motivated volunteers. Some dismissed Qadri as a charlatan and a stooge of the military. Others praised him as honest, charismatic, and moderate.
“No matter who is right, it was quite a phenomenon: a peaceful and reasonably well organized protest. Coming on top of the peaceful protests of the traumatized populations in Quetta and Peshawar, this is a new stage in the political development of the country,” he wrote.
‘It is time for the civil society to think constructively and coherently about an agenda for strengthening democracy and good governance and demanding that all political parties subscribe to it.”
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There are many conspiracy theories regarding this march, as to what the real objectives were. PTI would have been affected in any case by joining or refraining from the march. PTI has avoided a blow back by staying away from it, the only issue is that they should have been clearer in their stance.
Bhai Jan, people would question PTI's stance, stratagey and future course of action even if a cat dies in Mian Chunnu. :P
