Re: Swiss voters 'back ban on building of minarets'
LMAO Its that simple when human rights are violated. Then in future unless you live in a Muslim country don't ***** about human rights.
The french flag has no religious symbol...Its 3 stripes of blue white and red...
This post is about Swiss and not french.. i know it is hard for you to stay on topic and discuss stuff but when you quote someone try to reply in the context of discussion... hint check the original post you quoted...
what..utter rubbish. Minaars fgs?
the facist was right allright, this is the beginning of the process... If the muslims let this one go, who knows where that 'process' will end...?
Maybe an oppressive regime like Iran where they kill you for disagreeing with the government? Where they mandate an official religion and discriminate against all others? It could be a lot worse, couldn't it?
do hijrah and migrate to a muslim country thats simple
You must have switched many states, if that is youre way of dealing with things you disagree on. Infact youre probably stateless..
Moving countries might help you, but not other minorities living who are living there. A very selfish line of thinking.
Maybe an oppressive regime like Iran where they kill you for disagreeing with the government? Where they mandate an official religion and discriminate against all others? It could be a lot worse, couldn't it?
err, no, they dont. i think you've got youre wires mixed...as usual.
Re: Swiss voters 'back ban on building of minarets'
maybe we`ll get the right to biatch about this when...
when Saudi Arabia allows churches in its oh so holy land. maybe when Christians will not be terrorized in Pakistan on false charges. maybe when their churches won't be vandalized. maybe when the open massacre of Christians such as the one in Gojra will be prevented by the authorities and those behind these heinous crimes will be punished. maybe when ppl who convert to Christianity in Afghanistan won't be sentenced to death. until then we should hold our peace.
first lets give equal rights to other religions in our country, then ask the same of others. as it is, I think other nations are far more tolerant of our religion and culture than we are of the minorities who live in our country.
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maybe we`ll get the right to biatch about this when...
when Saudi Arabia allows churches in its oh so holy land. maybe when Christians will not be terrorized in Pakistan on false charges. maybe when their churches won't be vandalized. maybe when the open massacre of Christians such as the one in Gojra will be prevented by the authorities and those behind these heinous crimes will be punished. maybe when ppl who convert to Christianity in Afghanistan won't be sentenced to death. until then we should hold our peace.
first lets give equal rights to other religions in our country, then ask the same of others. as it is, I think other nations are far more tolerant of our religion and culture than we are of the minorities who live in our country.
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well....carry on holding your peace, because with that shoddy line of thinking, you probably wont get that far. And should they turn on you or you're family...it will be interesting to see how much peace you will be holding then. *its ok yes yes, I agree, you may insult me and my religion, because well.... saudis dont allow churches in thier country'.
pfff who needs enemies...with folks like these around.
well....carry on holding your peace, because with that shoddy line of thinking, you probably wont get that far. And should they turn on you or you're family...it will be interesting to see how much peace you will be holding then. *its ok yes yes, I agree, you may insult me and my religion, because well.... saudis dont allow churches in thier country'.
pfff who needs enemies...with folks like these around.
Well again we don't need to go to other forums (sorry for me nagging about this again and again and u may well say to me one day: then don't come on this forum, would not surprise me)
to find insulting and humiliating posts about Islam and Pakistan.
Its right here on our own Pakistan forum.
err, no, they dont. i think you've got youre wires mixed...as usual.
Of course they do, it's being reported by non biased services all over the world.
And other posters are right, until Muslim countries allow religious freedoms, houses of worship for non-Muslims and equality for all, then it is really hypocritical and nonsensical to expect it in other countries. Maybe if you fix your own, more deeply broken houses, you will be treated with more respect elsewhere.
Re: Swiss voters 'back ban on building of minarets'
^ Seminole, do you not consider Muslims living in the West citizens of the West? Could you explain why you're talking about "fix your own", do you assume that everyone criticizing this is a non-resident alien, or do you think that the West really isnt home for its Muslim citizens, and that they really belong elsewhere that they should go fix first.
Incidentally, it is heartening to note that we have members of the BNP willing to engage with the 'other' class of people. That is a step forward in my view.
Having said that, do you think it is a fair argument for a white supremacist in pre-civil rights era to deny blacks rights on the basis that things are so bad in Ethiopia, why dont you criticize that first.
Of course they do, it's being reported by non biased services all over the world.
And other posters are right, until Muslim countries allow religious freedoms, houses of worship for non-Muslims and equality for all, then it is really hypocritical and nonsensical to expect it in other countries. Maybe if you fix your own, more deeply broken houses, you will be treated with more respect elsewhere.
Prove it.
You must have switched many states, if that is youre way of dealing with things you disagree on. Infact youre probably stateless..
Moving countries might help you, but not other minorities living who are living there. A very selfish line of thinking.
is that how you would describe the hijrah of Prophet to africa and medina ...were all muslims able to migrate to these places ?
if ur such a holier than thou muslim than why dont u move to a moslem state ?
you want the benefits of western countries which u dont want to give up ....
how do u know i switched many states ? and what r u basing ur claim on that i am stateless ? is state really that important to u ? are u a nationalist or a fascist ?
Of course they do, it's being reported by non biased services all over the world.
And other posters are right, until Muslim countries allow religious freedoms, houses of worship for non-Muslims and equality for all, then it is really hypocritical and nonsensical to expect it in other countries. Maybe if you fix your own, more deeply broken houses, you will be treated with more respect elsewhere.
not really ,
the muslim countries atleast in theory are not secular , but european states claim to be .....so why treat christians and moslems differently?
I agree that muslims living in west have unrealistic expectations and do not try to accomodate the local customs while they expect the western countries to do the same.
Re: Swiss voters 'back ban on building of minarets'
Bottom Line
It is OK for Mulsim countries to be non -secular while it is not OK for non-muslim countries.
Re: Swiss voters 'back ban on building of minarets'
LMAO! No its okay for Indians to be racist mother ****ers but its not okay for Muslims to demand basic human right.
Switzerland as per its constitution is a secular democracy. Meaning that they can not be non-secular/religious regardless of what your stupid little mind says.
Re: Swiss voters 'back ban on building of minarets'
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Mind your language. It just shows your upbringing.
hmmm is this the local kkk out in force tonight....? white pointed hoodies an all...
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is that how you would describe the hijrah of Prophet to africa and medina ...were all muslims able to migrate to these places ?
if ur such a holier than thou muslim than why dont u move to a moslem state ?
you want the benefits of western countries which u dont want to give up ....
how do u know i switched many states ? and what r u basing ur claim on that i am stateless ? is state really that important to u ? are u a nationalist or a fascist ?
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Are you comparing the hijrah of the Prophet(saw) to the swiss banning the minaars? what kind of joke is that?
The muslims did hijrat for their survivals, in todays terms they would be known as refugees/asylum seekers. The two are not comparable, because if push came to shove, noone, regardless of thier religion would hesitate in fleeing thier homes. So Hijrat is not even relevant.
Secondly, you're twisted point, that muslims have no right to voice thier concerns over issues concerning them, and instead should up and leave is slightly deranged. I think you've missed the point of a democracy entirely. Its gone completely over your and your kkk fellows head.
There is a reason it was the right wing facist who proposed this referendum, and its is facists like YOU who are inadvertently towing thier line. Keep trying abit harder and im sure they'll send you and you're cohorts a bunch of roses for christmas...
Finally; anyone (except refugees) who instead of voicing thier concerns, up and move state everytime they disagree with the authorities, is 1) selfish, 2) weak 3) lazy and inept 4) most likely stateless (and mindless) after a while.
Of course they do, it's being reported by non biased services all over the world.
And other posters are right, until Muslim countries allow religious freedoms, houses of worship for non-Muslims and equality for all, then it is really hypocritical and nonsensical to expect it in other countries. Maybe if you fix your own, more deeply broken houses, you will be treated with more respect elsewhere.
You know, that s a tad rich coming from someone whose house is so broke, its full of horses crap....yet we dont see it stopping you or anyone else complaining of minorities in other countries. Oh the glory....of hypocrisy. Must be pretty comfy, sitting high on that throne of sh1t eh?
hmmm is this the local kkk out in force tonight....? white pointed hoodies an all...
Are you comparing the hijrah of the Prophet(saw) to the swiss banning the minaars? what kind of joke is that?
The muslims did hijrat for their survivals, in todays terms they would be known as refugees/asylum seekers. The two are not comparable, because if push came to shove, noone, regardless of thier religion would hesitate in fleeing thier homes. So Hijrat is not even relevant.
Secondly, you're twisted point, that muslims have no right to voice thier concerns over issues concerning them, and instead should up and leave is slightly deranged. I think you've missed the point of a democracy entirely. Its gone completely over your and your kkk fellows head.
There is a reason it was the right wing facist who proposed this referendum, and its is facists like YOU who are inadvertently towing thier line. Keep trying abit harder and im sure they'll send you and you're cohorts a bunch of roses for christmas...
Finally; anyone (except refugees) who instead of voicing thier concerns, up and move state everytime they disagree with the authorities, is 1) selfish, 2) weak 3) lazy and inept 4) most likely stateless (and mindless) after a while.
firstly what r u trying to label me as ?
how do i tow the line of kkk ? or u see all right -wing parties as one giant monolithic force. kkk probably killed more white christian yankee supporters than they ever killed non-whites.Anyway thats from the reconstrution.If u ever bother to read about this subject u will probably lament over your ignorance.
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because if push came to shove, noone, regardless of thier religion would hesitate in fleeing thier homes.
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so basically for u state has nothing to do with religion, if that was important to you u wouldnt be living in a non-muslim country ....and u will only give up the comforts of living in a western country if ur life is threatened ?
if ur not a refugee why the hell r u living in a non-muslim country then ? and if u dont mind that why r u getting so bent out of shape if swiss prohibit minars ( which btw are more of a cultural than religious symbol)
ur a practising muslim yet u choose to be ( willingly) part of a secular democracy ? and u accuse me of hypocrisy ? following laws other than shariah is shirk ....or maybe u conveniently forget that fact when the time comes to act as an oppressed minority to gain sympathy.The likes of u will probably do the same in a muslim country this time under a sectarian guise ....
Bottom Line
It is OK for Mulsim countries to be non -secular while it is not OK for non-muslim countries.
thats not the issue , christian countries have choosen to be secular themselves muslims never forced them. This was more to get rid of church influences rather than any favor to minorities esp muslims.