I have been following discussions going on in the comment section of various european newspapers. One would expect such a move to be opposed and ridiculed in the European media. But the funny thing is many newspapers and editorials support the swiss move. Even the comment section has people nodding in agreement. There are very few people opposing the move. I don't think this would have been the case if the case against minarets had been taken to a vote a few years back. For some reason the liberal voice in Europe that opposes the crazy right is weakening with every passing year.
I have to agree with you. In fact, I've doing the same, and there are clear signs of Islamophobia in Europe. I also think that Muslims in Europe are to some extent responsible for their own predicaments. They have failed to integrate in European societies, and on top of that jihad and terrorism aren't something people are crazy about. I myself was in Europe 2 weeks back, and you can almost sense how people feel about Muslims and that is why there is support for these right wing parties. Rise of BNP in UK is another good example of what is yet to come.
Not at all . But some of the fanatics in Islam are exploiting the goodwill of other countries and asking idiotic questions. There is a bible saying
"Let me take the dust out of your eye"? And all the time you have that stick in your own eye! ...
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I want remind you people "dont be so much hypocratic"
YOUR religion. Dont speak on behalf of everyone please.
You may have your reasons for disliking minarets in mosques. I am not interested in debating that. If there was no religious significance to minarets, you wouldnt consistently see them at Islamic sites. Whatever the origin of the minaret, it is NOW an expression of religion. You may not share that religious sentiment, and it doesnt matter to me that you dont.
If there was no religious significance to minarets, you wouldnt see them being opposed by rightwing groups who place niqabies before minarets in their posters. THEY are making the religious association, and its a barefaced, disingenuous lie when you deny it.
The scale of stupidity you are assuming for anyone who reads your post and takes it seriously is unbelievable. You are not talking to an audience of dullards.
European papers are dismayed by Switzerland’s popular vote to ban the building of minarets. Some fear it will backfire, sending the wrong signal to the Muslim world and setting a precedent for other parts of Europe.
Re: Swiss voters ‘back ban on building of minarets’
Vatican and Muslims condemn Swiss minaret ban vote
There are only four minarets in Switzerland
Religious leaders across the world have criticised Switzerland’s referendum vote to ban the building of minarets.
The Vatican joined Muslim figureheads from Indonesia and Egypt, as well as Switzerland, in denouncing the vote as a blow to religious freedom.
Re: Swiss voters 'back ban on building of minarets'
to the people that fail to grasp the issue, it is not about the architectural importance of having a minaret, whether this is a fard or makes you a muslim or not......
but about islamaphopia, intolerance, mistrust, and targetted harassment towards muslims...
a problem in european society that people back home do not understand
this move will be copied by right wing parties across europe and lead to further restrictions and harassment. There is a Dutch MP who now wants to introduce a similar measure. You start with the minarets then go down a path how far? It ended with the jews wearing badges with the star of david during WWII. this is the same pattern
There are already indications that, buoyed by the size of the vote in favour of the ban, the Swiss People's Party is planning further measures.
Hermann Leu, a local People's Party representative from Thurgau canton, described the size of the vote in favour as "a clear sign that the Muslim community must get on with integrating itself right away".
Proposals from some towns include banning the burka, setting up committees to identify imams who preach "hate", detaining and deporting them, and banning school dispensations in which Muslim children stay away from swimming lessons or take time out for prayers.
I have been following discussions going on in the comment section of various european newspapers. One would expect such a move to be opposed and ridiculed in the European media. But the funny thing is many newspapers and editorials support the swiss move. Even the comment section has people nodding in agreement. There are very few people opposing the move. I don't think this would have been the case if the case against minarets had been taken to a vote a few years back. For some reason the liberal voice in Europe that opposes the crazy right is weakening with every passing year.
so Europe is becoming a Hardliner or Extremest which normally they blames on others specially on Muslims?
Its not the matter of if minaar are essential part of Islam or not, its the matter of "Identity". Religious Identiry which has been targeted discriminately. If they pass a bill to remove minar, Cross, Star and other religious signs, then its understandable
We are talking about 'structure' here, bell may be equivalent of azaan.
The thing is that Switzerland has a very unique architecture and minarets really stand out.
They didn't forbid building Mosques, just minarets.
It is the same for example in Paris where American Restaurants were told to take down their flashy signs because it was against the architecture of Paris.
So lets be clear. Europe has different rules as Muslims living there they have to conform to those rules.
This degree of condemnation was not evident in the first wave of news reports regarding the vote. Those were the ones i was talking about. The ones where democracy in work was being used to paint this vote in a better light. Even now you have the european news media debating the pros and cons of this move. Don’t you think it is strange that something as outrageous as this has actually come to a vote?This was never a issue to begin with. Nobody in the world has had a problem with minarets till now. Weren’t there any minarets in Europe all these days? Now it has come to a stage where it is a vote worthy and debate worthy problem. Something sure has has changed in Europe.
So if you don’t agree with the laws of a Muslim country you can criticize them but when someone else makes a law that you don’t agree with, people should simply accept it because you live there.
The thing is that Germans have a very unique face type and long noses really stand out.
You cant garnish this crap sandwich. The discourse related to this ban has had little to do with architectural style. It isnt as if there were enough of the minarets to change the architecture of the country. There are 4 minarets in the country. The support, coming from two political parties, and feminists, has been on religious-political grounds.
Not architectural grounds.
Wikipedia is not reliable because this is still a new topic. Maybe a year from now...then you can quote it.
Nice try at dodging a claim you cant substantiate. Though its still a new topic theres plenty of documentation in there as to which parties supported the ban, and what their stated stances were. None of them focused on architectural style as the principal issue.
So lets see you defend your stance without deflecting the issue as in the next few sentences Im quoting...
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And what is the big deal with minarets?
The only reason they were build was to sound the azan just like church bells.
Most churches in America don't have church bells.
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Why is that relevant?
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Its not like the Swiss are preventing muslims from building more mosques or stop praying.
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No, its not.
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Dont blow this out of proportion like there is a holocaust of muslims happening in Switzerland.
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Who claimed that there is a holocaust of Muslims happening in Switzerland? Complete strawman argument, you set up a fictional adversary and knock him down.
The decision merits criticism and is getting the appropriate amount of criticism here.
