hahaha.
Oh bhai, do you know how to read?
Article #2 refers to other articles in the list. May be you are talking about Yau-man rights and not human rights.
Go shabash. Read first and then come back.
hazat I was just mentioning that this religion specific law is the discrimination to start with so we don't need to go further in the document. Wait till its struck down by courts.
Re: Swiss voters 'back ban on building of minarets'
swiss democracy speaks... so accept it . .just like sharriah speaks in talibanic land !..
swiss democracy speaks... so accept it . .just like sharriah speaks in talibanic land !..
So in that case what's the difference between the Taliban and Swiss? Both show intolerance.
Re: Swiss voters 'back ban on building of minarets'
^^ but on way different levels....
So in that case what's the difference between the Taliban and Swiss? Both show intolerance.
EB, at least they didn't demolish the current minarat's or chop the heads yet, i was in Zurich last Friday - and the anti-muslim sentiment over the wrong interpretation of Shariaah or islamic law is overwhelming. It's not our mistake, but the outcome of Jidhadism in last 10 years does change a lot of tolerant nations prespective too ..
i was told this bill will be failed.. and it does in Zurich & Geneva but it got 60+ votes in rest of swiss cantonments . but i think now the ruling swiss political elite understand the message .. that people are thinking something else, their is a huge integration problem with European societies for Muslims, this is not the case in USA.
swiss democracy speaks... so accept it . .just like sharriah speaks in talibanic land !..
I wonder why there was so much uproar from Human Rights champions on 8th Amendment in Pakistan? It was also added to the constitution and was approved by Parliament. Shouldn't everyone accept in the name of and for the sake of democracy?
Point you made is actually the BIGGEST FLAW in democracy where people are counted and not weighted.
hazat I was just mentioning that this religion specific law is the discrimination to start with so we don't need to go further in the document. Wait till its struck down by courts.
Maybe the courts will strike it down, or may be not. I agree that it is easy to pass a law, but it is mighty difficult to formulate it in the context of building designs.
However the argument based on "human rights violation" as per the universal human right charter does not stand.
FYI Article #18 deals with religious practices, but the article in itself cannot be used against this vote. The reason is that Muslims can and will be able to practice their religion freely in Swiss society.
In fact even with the law, Muslims are MORE free in Switzerland, than any of the so called Islamic Emirates.
Re: Swiss voters 'back ban on building of minarets'
^ im curious about your reasoning. How doesnt this impact the ability of Muslims to practice their religions freely? For some, outward form is most definitely a form of religious expression. If that wasnt true you wouldnt see architectural styles associated with different religions. Take gothic churches, Hindu temples... crosses on top of steeples. If the law bans a form of religious expression how is the statement "Muslims can and will be able to practice their religion freely" true?
I wonder why there was so much uproar from Human Rights champions on 8th Amendment in Pakistan? It was also added to the constitution and was approved by Parliament. Shouldn't everyone accept in the name of and for the sake of democracy?
Point you made is actually the BIGGEST FLAW in democracy where people are counted and not weighted.
Who are these human rights champions you dislike so much? Are they Pakistanis? If they are then you cannot bash them for not what mistakes the swiss commit. "Human rights champions" in every country work to stop the crazy fundamentalists in their own backyard. You cannot bash the ones in your country just because the ones in switzerland failed.
I have been following discussions going on in the comment section of various european newspapers. One would expect such a move to be opposed and ridiculed in the European media. But the funny thing is many newspapers and editorials support the swiss move. Even the comment section has people nodding in agreement. There are very few people opposing the move. I don't think this would have been the case if the case against minarets had been taken to a vote a few years back. For some reason the liberal voice in Europe that opposes the crazy right is weakening with every passing year.
Point you made is actually the BIGGEST FLAW in democracy where people are counted and not weighted.
If it's a flaw in democracy, so would you prefer a different system .. aah how about a system which was envision by Sufi aka pig of swat ? .
mind you Muslim represent 5% of swiss population, .. if they don't like the majority verdict.. better pack up and move back, no one is forcing. I heard swiss peoples party also providing one way first class ticket to back home !..
^ im curious about your reasoning. How doesnt this impact the ability of Muslims to practice their religions freely? ....
How do 99.99999% Muslims use the Minaret as part of the prayers?
And if the minaret is not there,
how will the 99.99999% Muslims' prayers will be impacted?
How do 99.99999% Muslims use the Minaret as part of the prayers?
And if the minaret is not there,
how will the 99.99999% Muslims' prayers will be impacted?
Did the text you quoted speak in percentages? How can you categorically claim that this doesnt violate the article without having a better answer than this?
A high percentage of jews does not wear the skull cap in public. If that were to be banned tomorrow, would you argue that it doesnt limit religious freedom because of a) percentages and b) in your opinion the impact on prayers is minimal?
ridiculous logic.
In order to be Muslim, one needs only the following:
Anything else is local/cultural/temporary/optional/open to discussion and thus will not and cannot be considered as a fundamental condition to make a Muslim a Muslim.
So one should check if they truly believe in Allah. And they are good for this life and the life hereafter.
Minaret or a rag/towel/topi/hat for someone's head are trivial at best.
Do YOU even know what are five basic pillars of Islam?
you can quote those 30 points of rules and regulations and you even dont know what Islam is... nice nice...
How do 99.99999% Muslims use the Minaret as part of the prayers?
And if the minaret is not there,
how will the 99.99999% Muslims' prayers will be impacted?
Why It is important (not must but important) for a church to have a pointed high roof? Have you ever asked a christian about it?
you can try ti bash your own religion and its smoothness as much as you can because you think you are Muslims and you can play with Islamic values and will be forgiven.
Is Minaret a "fard" for us to have.
What if we say a prayer in a room that was "borrowed" and happens to be located in a church or synagogue?
Will Allah not accept our prayers?
Why us Pakistanis are hell bent to live and die in confronting and quarreling and frothing in our mouths, and yelling and screaming, and cursing?
Just calm down logo.
Our teenage boys cannot handle this pressure, and they will destroy themselves in suicide bombings like 7/7 or Glasgow airport burnings.
It is time to stop screaming. Otherwise we'll not have a successful set of future generations.
Learn from Palestinians and other Arab and African primitive tribals and Afghanis.
You must live a calm life. otherwise God will take away what you have.
And you will be left with nothing, and you will be turned into beggars. and your future generations will live and die in a hellish environment read ghettos.
Calm down please.
You are right, why bother building mosques in first place, let just go pray in churches, it will save us money too.
How do 99.99999% Muslims use the Minaret as part of the prayers?
And if the minaret is not there,
how will the 99.99999% Muslims' prayers will be impacted?
Are Churches being forced to remove the cross? Will there be a ban on future churches for the cross?
Did the text you quoted speak in percentages? How can you categorically claim that this doesnt violate the article without having a better answer than this?
A high percentage of jews does not wear the skull cap in public. If that were to be banned tomorrow, would you argue that it doesnt limit religious freedom because of a) percentages and b) in your opinion the impact on prayers is minimal?
ridiculous logic.
Ah! too complicated for burqa to grasp simple logic, please go EZ..
thankoo
....... How can you categorically claim that this doesnt violate the article ..
Oh Bhai meray.
99.9999999% means ALL. You didn't get the jist of it.
For any Muslim to pray in a mosque without Minaret
(EQUALS)
Praying in a mosque with Minaret.
Thus Minaret is NOT the basic requirement and hence it is of no help/hindrance whatsoever in practicing my religion.
Mosque design is immaterial. It is a mosque as long it has big enough hall(s) to accommodate namazis.
Islam never had idols. That means Muslims do not need a particular shape to worship Allah.
In that sense, we are different from other religions who may need a specific shape.
Minaret was never a fard, and rather a necessity when it was the only way a muazzin could climb up and say the adhan.
These days NO ONE climbs 150 feet Minaret to say the adhan. Thus minaret is simply a "show-shaw".
Do not bring minaret or other idols in our beautiful religion.
Thank you.
Are Churches being forced to remove the cross? Will there be a ban on future churches for the cross?
No...but many no longer have church bells....