Supreme Court Judgement at 2.15pm PAK time today

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musharraf supporters, its time to show some humility, time to recognise that lots of people who oppose musharraf have very good reasons for doing so. hopefully people on different sides can conduct debate in a civilised manner and hopefully we well see politicians behaving in a civil manner in the up coming elections and not resorting to violence. this is an important juncture in the history of pak and i am confident politically speaking, pak will make great strides in the next few weeks and months. word also on the conduct of politicians and lawyers casting aspersion on the court. its at these people that our fire should be directed.

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:rotfl: justifying any act “in the best interest of nation”

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Chances are very close to zero that opposition will accept the verdict, they will make noises again, losers like NS won't be able to accept it.

The question now is, what can Musharraf achieve "for Pakistan" in next 5 years? Can he make any changes which would ensure accountability, freedom of justice, availability of justice at lower levels, law enforcement etc?

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Very well Put.

God Bless Pakistan. God Bless President Musharaf and the govt.

AND, God Bless the opposition. A strong opposition with strong policies rather than rhetoric will be good for Pakistan, and allow the continuation of the democratic framework that Presdent Musharaf has put in place with Free Judiciary and Free Media.

:jhanda:

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Brother, you are so right. What a person really wants from people in power is commitment, honesty, and sincerity. Rest is in the hand of Allah. Every one can do mistakes, but as long as a person is doing their best, one cannot ask for more.

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What else these anti-govt people can do ? … if you feed them, take them Switzerland for holydays, all will be all right and you wont hear any ‘noise’ …

These type of so called mullah and opposition ‘chamaar’ are simply ‘nang-e-deen, nang-e-khalq and nang-e-watan’ … they are born to bark when they are hungry, throw some bones and they are silent…

They have no interest in building Pakistan, they dont know what is technology and how to improve economically and bring foreign inverters. They can’t talk to foreign media and can never reveal the real faces of anti=Pakistani movements.

They never built any University, College, or any kind of Industry in their Pind, Gaoon … this is only Karachi who always feed the whole country and showed them how to survive, else you have whole Baluchistan, interior Sindh, rural Punjab, and whole of NWFP. and lastyly those were people from the same city who took charge and put Pakistan back in the track… but this is undigestable to those pimps! they will never accept the achivements done by Mr Mushraff and Mr Showkat Aziz…

Long live Mr Mushraff and Mr Shuwkat :jhanda:

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I wish that was true but sadly it wont be. These are opportunitist $hitty policiticans who will NOT accept this decisions. Pml(n) and abcdm kept whinning about how free judiciary is, now they will condemn the decision. Fair enough, as long as they dont make further jokes of themselves by contesting it further.

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Opposition, cooperation? bhai jaan, kher to hay?

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I know that but you already got the problem covered:

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sadly our opposition has only one goal in mind, to get in power, to embarrass the ruling coalition, to bog teh system down. not just this opposition whether bawaz was in power or bb was in power orf junejo/zia was in power..same thing.
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Bhaion, baheno, it’s time to rejoice. Jhagda khatam karo.

God Bless Pakistan. God Bless President Musharaf. God Bless Free Judiciary. :jhanda:

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Badmash Lawyers are planning to have a violent protest tomorrow around Election commission's office. I am listening to MUNIR A MALIK on AAJ and as per him *"We will BURN this court order tomorrow" * (another contempt of court). Ali Ahmed KURD (who is another badmash) was like " kul jo election commission nahi aay wo apney BAAP KA NAHEE HO GA" ........ so now we have "2 wasi zafar's"

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This is wrong. They should challenge the decision, but they must accept the verdict as it it. These people are about to lose my support. You cant not pick the decisions that you like and throw out the one you don't like. This is the reason people don't have respect or confidence in our national institutions.

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the decision which has been given is totally based on technical grounds. it is not based on merit. that means this decision doesn't give power to general musharraf to stand in an election with uniform.

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^ bad joke. verdic is binding, regardless of why

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this is not a joke. you can read the verdict which only says that "this petition is not maintainable" or you can listen no. of legal judgements given on the media.

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Yea ... that case was also discarded by Supreme Court on technical ground, else Ifti would have been in trouble. :)

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why Pirzada and Abdul Qayum were in the courthouse at decision time and were absent when CJ xcase verdict was announced - the decisions in both cases were known before hand..

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That is true. So, decision is not for or against either party. Although I would like to know why did the court throw out Dr Anwar ul Huq's petition? His govt employee and so is Mushrraf. If Mushrraf can run for political office why can't he?

Also, I think the SC just kicked the cane down the road. This issue is far from over, and when Justice (R) Wahjudin's rise objection to Mushrraf nomination before the EC, the EC will over rule his objection and this issue will land right back the SC's door. Which means at the end the the day the SC court has to decide whether Mushrraf can remain army chief and still run for a political office.

Word of caution for all sides, and especially Mushrraf supporters. If the SC goes with Mushrraf for whatever reason, keep in mind that it will legalize and legitimize army intervention in politics for all times to come. You may support Mushrraf liberal policies, economic or otherwise, but next time around it might be an Islamist jihadi general. What excuse will you have to oppose him?

Finally, I don't want to make this an ethnic issue, but I do want to point one thing. Time and again the justices from Punjab have let down our sorry nation, and they did this time too. All the judges from Punjab came together and threw out this case, while judges from Sindh and NWFP supported it. This not a conspiracy theory, but a fact. They have been doing this for last 60 years.

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http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=10364

Sindh, NWFP stand out again
The same thing happened in late Z A Bhutto’s case

By Rahimullah Yusufzai

PESHAWAR: Why is it so that Supreme Court judges belonging to Sindh and the NWFP often give dissenting judgments in important constitutional petitions having political implications while those from the Punjab usually uphold the government’s stance?

This question arose once again Friday when the apex court gave its verdict on the maintainability of a number of identical petitions, challenging dual offices of President General Musharraf and questioning his eligibility to contest the presidential election set for October 6.

Of the six judges who dismissed the petitions filed by Jamaat-i-Islami head Qazi Hussain Ahmad, Tehrik-i-Insaf leader Imran Khan and others, four belong to the Punjab. They are Justice Mohammad Nawaz Abbasi, Justice Faqir Mohammad Khokhar, Justice Falak Sher and Justice M Javed Buttar. Of these four, Justice Abbasi and Justice Khokhar have served as secretary law to the government.

The two other Supreme Court judges who rejected the petitions are Justice Javed Iqbal, who hails from Balochistan, and Justice Abdul Hameed Dogar, who has domicile of Sindh. In the recent past, Justice Dogar served as chief election commissioner of Pakistan. This is the job that has been generating controversy since the creation of Pakistan because the fairness of all elections in the country, with the exception of those held in 1970, has been questioned.

The three judges of the nine-member Supreme Court bench who gave dissenting note in the dual offices case belong to Sindh and the NWFP. Justice Rana Baghwandas, who headed the bench, is from Sindh while Justice Sardar Mohammad Raza Khan and Justice Mian Shakirullah Jan hail from the NWFP.

Both Justice Sardar Raza and Justice Shakirullah Jan served as chief justices of the Peshawar High Court. The former is from Abbottabad district and the latter from Nowshera. They enjoyed good reputation while serving as judges in the Peshawar High Court. By dissenting from the majority decision in this dual offices case, they have suddenly captured the imagination of those struggling for independence of judiciary and the rule of law in the country.

Some senior lawyers in Peshawar said they always expected Justice Sardar Raza to take an independent line in this and other cases pending before the Supreme Court. As for Justice Shakirullah Jan’s dissenting note, these lawyers said this came as a pleasant surprise for them and had enhanced their admiration for him.

Former Senator and PPP leader Qazi Mohammad Anwar, who has been an active participant in the lawyers’ movement for the independence of judiciary, noted in his comments while talking to reporters on Friday that Justice Sardar Raza and Justice Shakirullah Jan had made the NWFP proud due to their independent judgment in the dual offices case.

Another senior Frontier lawyer, Barrister Baachaa also paid tributes to the two judges for their deep knowledge of the Constitution and understanding of its spirit. He remarked that the Pashtuns were proud of the courage, commitment and integrity of Justice Sardar Raza and Justice Shakirullah Jan.

Friday’s events in the Supreme Court reminded many Frontier lawyers about the apex court’s majority verdict in the murder case in which former prime minister and PPP founder Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was sentenced to death. The seven-member bench in its controversial judgment sent Mr Bhutto to the gallows by a majority decision of four to three.

The four judges who formed the majority all hailed from the Punjab. They were Chief Justice Anwarul Haq, Justice Malik Akram, who was the father of Attorney General Malik Qayyum, Justice Karam Ali Chohan and Justice Nasim Hassan Shah. The last-named, who later became the chief justice of Pakistan, in the Geo TV programme, Jawabdeh hosted by Iftikhar Ahmad, conceded sometime back that it was mistake to sentence Mr Bhutto to death in the case.

The three Supreme Court judges who gave dissenting notes in the famous case were Justice Dorab Patel and Justice Mohammad Haleem from Sindh and Justice Safdar Shah from the NWFP. The way Justice Safdar Shah was later hounded out of the country is now part of Pakistan’s painful judicial history.

As noted Frontier lawyer Athar Minallah recalled, one judge each from Sindh and the NWFP were cleverly removed from the Supreme Court bench that was to decide the case against Mr Bhutto. One was Justice Waheeduddin Ahmad, father of Justice (Retd) Wajihuddin Ahmad, who has been nominated by the lawyers’ community to challenge President General Musharraf in the presidential election. Justice Waheeduddin was admitted to hospital in controversial circumstances and withdrawn from the Supreme Court bench. The other was Justice Qaisar Khan from the NWFP who retired from service during the hearing of the case. Both Justice Waheeduddin and Justice Qaisar Khan were honourable and independent judges and General Ziaul Haq’s government was concerned that they would acquit Mr Bhutto in the murder case.

Pakistan’s political history would certainly have been different, and also less painful, if Justice Waheeduddin and Justice Qaisar Khan had remained on the Supreme Court bench because in their presence the majority of the judges would not have handed down the verdict that came to be known as the judicial murder of Mr Bhutto.

The Bhutto case also fuelled anti-Punjab feelings in Sindh and, to a lesser extent, in the NWFP due to the widespread belief that the Supreme Court judges from the Punjab had sentenced a Sindhi, Mr Bhutto, to death in the murder case. This sentiment still haunts the minds of many Sindhis even three decades after the Supreme Court verdict against Mr Bhutto.

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:k: :slight_smile: