Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
I've also noticed a lot of "I don't wish to discuss with you any further" on this thread. Just makes me laugh a little LOL.
Get used to it, lol.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
No Muslim can sympathize with the terrorists tried** to storm Madina.** There is general understanding among Muslims that these terrorists are US agencies supported. That may not be entirely correct but is easy to buy considering Muslims know what US has done to Muslim countries.
But they can sympathize with the terrorists when they kill hundreds of innocent people, right? You see the problem with your statement. Are you saying human life is of less value than the Madina? If so, I feel sad for you. I said this in my other posts that you cannot blame the west for these terrorist groups wanting to establish Islamic State (sharia law). Sure, the instability there enabled them to take over the cities but their agenda has nothing to do with trying to correct all wrongs done by US and others. Extremism is not a new problem created by outside forces, they may have fueled it though.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
But they can sympathize with the terrorists when they kill hundreds of innocent people, right? You see the problem with your statement. Are you saying human life is of less value than the Madina? If so, I feel sad for you. I said this in my other posts that you cannot blame the west for these terrorist groups wanting to establish Islamic State (sharia law). Sure, the instability there enabled them to take over the cities but their agenda has nothing to do with trying to correct all wrongs done by US and others. Extremism is not a new problem created by outside forces, they may have fueled it though.
You are looking at that example negatively. By giving Madina example I meant, Muslim would know that if they can attack Madina, average would not be spared by them either. But maybe you think only lives in West are the innocent. Problem is with you people as you have been consistently denying the reason behind reaction. In fact you dont even consider it reaction let alone acknowledging the reason.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH’s mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
reaction as per ajazali:
isis attacks citizens in western countries: oh its a reaction to the west’s anti-muslim policies.
isis attacks citizens in muslim countries: oh isis is the west’s tool doing its bidding.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH’s mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
Yes both type of groups exist, in fact there are many. Conflicts are from local to international level. Like shia-sunni conflicts in Iraq and syria are local but ISIS is against US and anybody who they think is not against US. We know Russia is targeting ISIS ruthlessly and dont care if civilians are killed too. But can you please tell me what’s US strategy/policy for Syria? Well, we know nothing is more important for US than achieving the regime they want.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH’s mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
About you keep jumping from religion is inherently bad for mankind to gullibility of young minds.
It is true that reforms are needed in the way religion is taught at schools and madrassas. To color the whole religion as evil is certainly not the way forward. Religion has not been the motivation for major genocides and atrocities committed in human history.
Even in last 50 years, human greed and lust for power, causes unrelated to religion, has been by far the major source for death and destruction in the world. However, if the death count in recent times is a major criteria for the need for reforms, then I think corporate interests steering governance of major countries should be on top of agenda which no one ever talks about.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
Yes both type of groups exist, in fact there are many. Conflicts are from local to international level. Like shia-sunni conflicts in Iraq and syria are local but ISIS is against US and anybody who they think is not against US. We know Russia is targeting ISIS ruthlessly and dont care if civilians are killed too. But can you please tell me what's US strategy/policy for Syria? Well, we know nothing is more important for US than achieving the regime they want.
Both types of groups? Attacks are by the same group ISIS - the only difference is your "reaction" to avoid the uncomfortable truth.
I dont know what you are trying to say with USA, Russia etc.. Thread is about bombing in Saudi, targets were a bunch of shia men on pilgrimage.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
About you keep jumping from** religion is inherently bad for mankind to gullibility of young minds**.
It is true that reforms are needed in the way religion is taught at schools and madrassas. To color the whole religion as evil is certainly not the way forward. Religion has not been the motivation for major genocides and atrocities committed in human history.
Even in last 50 years, human greed and lust for power, causes unrelated to religion, has been by far the major source for death and destruction in the world. However, if the death count in recent times is a major criteria for the need for reforms, then I think corporate interests steering governance of major countries should be on top of agenda which no one ever talks about.
Never said religion is inherently bad for mankind, the loopholes and contradicting passages are. How do you not see those two things (gullible youth and loopholes) connected?
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
You are looking at that example negatively. By giving Madina example I meant, Muslim would know that if they can attack Madina, average would not be spared by them either. But maybe you think only lives in West are the innocent. Problem is with you people as you have been consistently denying the reason behind reaction. In fact you dont even consider it reaction let alone acknowledging the reason.
So Islamic State was an American idea? Did it somehow magically become popular after the war? Historically speaking, haven't there been other groups wanting to establish sharia law before modern day terrorist groups? The only difference now and then is instability in the middle east caused by the war. Now these terrorist groups can openly do what they weren't able to do before. If these were backlash attacks on the west, they wouldn't target average muslims. The truth is they are targeting anyone who doesn't follow their version of Islam, a version that very much exists but we keep denying or justifying it. Everybody is their target not just the west. The west has accepted hundreds and thousands of Syrian refugees because they do realize they too have blood on their hands. It's easy to blame outsiders than to look within.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
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Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
Is this a solution? Recently in Myanmar, some Buddhist people torched a Mosque, did they take inspiration from religious text? Even if they took inspiration, I guess there are lot of verses in the text which teach non-violence.
Let's modify all the texts of all religious stuff present on the planet and they will (as they are doing) exploit historical and current events to generate sense of fear, humility or supremacy in order to achieve their ends. Long ago I watched a documentary in which a suicide bomber was asked if he read religious text, his answer was NO, he just trusted on whatever his leader/master said.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
So Islamic State was an American idea? Did it somehow magically become popular after the war? Historically speaking, haven't there been other groups wanting to establish sharia law before modern day terrorist groups? The only difference now and then is instability in the middle east caused by the war. Now these terrorist groups can openly do what they weren't able to do before. If these were backlash attacks on the west, they wouldn't target average muslims. The truth is they are targeting anyone who doesn't follow their version of Islam, a version that very much exists but we keep denying or justifying it. Everybody is their target not just the west. The west has accepted hundreds and thousands of Syrian refugees because they do realize they too have blood on their hands. It's easy to blame outsiders than to look within.
No suicide bomb attack had happened in Iraq's history before the US war on Iraq and you are still bent on telling people that Iraq war has no after effects. In fact people like you are the reason US attacked Iraq without any hesitation. Before ISIS, alqaeda was attacking US interests but were not attacking Muslims masses. West was their enemy. After increased atrocities and direct attacks on Arab countries, the regimes supporting West are now at the hit-list of reactionary groups.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
So Islamic State was an American idea? Did it somehow magically become popular after the war? Historically speaking, haven't there been other groups wanting to establish sharia law before modern day terrorist groups? The only difference now and then is instability in the middle east caused by the war. Now these terrorist groups can openly do what they weren't able to do before. If these were backlash attacks on the west, they wouldn't target average muslims. The truth is they are targeting anyone who doesn't follow their version of Islam, a version that very much exists but we keep denying or justifying it. Everybody is their target not just the west. The west has accepted hundreds and thousands of Syrian refugees because they do realize they too have blood on their hands. It's easy to blame outsiders than to look within.
This x1000! No one is saying these people are right... But they are Muslims. Unfortunately
No suicide bomb attack had happened in Iraq's history before the US war on Iraq and you are still bent on telling people that Iraq war has no after effects. In fact people like you are the reason US attacked Iraq without any hesitation. Before ISIS, alqaeda was attacking US interests but were not attacking Muslims masses. West was their enemy. After increased atrocities and direct attacks on Arab countries, the regimes supporting West are now at the hit-list of reactionary groups.
The Iraq war definitely had after effects.. Saddam kept a tight hold and I believe he was necessary for that region to function (again just MY opinion).
But wait, so it's ok to attack US interests (ex. most recently the guy who plowed over people, killing 80+ including children in Nice) where innocent people die regardless of their religion but it's NOT ok to attack areas where the masses are Muslim?
Again I ask - what does this accomplish? It doesn't me want to be a better Muslim. It barely makes me want to be a Muslim. It's nothing to be proud of. Again, In my opinion.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
No suicide bomb attack had happened in Iraq's history before the US war on Iraq and you are still bent on telling people that Iraq war has no after effects. In fact people like you are the reason US attacked Iraq without any hesitation. Before ISIS, alqaeda was attacking US interests but were not attacking Muslims masses. West was their enemy. After increased atrocities and direct attacks on Arab countries, the regimes supporting West are now at the hit-list of reactionary groups.
Do you actually read my posts? Did I say the war had no after effects? I actually said the opposite. Like I said, it's easier to blame others to free yourself of any guilt and responsibility. That's nice but won't help anyone. So why did ISIS start attacking muslim masses if they only had issues with the west? Why do they keep telling the world that their cause is Jihad and they are fighting others in the name of Allah? Why do they say their reason is to establish a Islamic State? They are telling you why they are doing this but you keep coming up with idiotic excuses. Wow.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
Is this a solution? Recently in Myanmar, some Buddhist people torched a Mosque, did they take inspiration from religious text? Even if they took inspiration, I guess there are lot of verses in the text which teach non-violence. Let's modify all the texts of all religious stuff present on the planet and they will (as they are doing) exploit historical and current events to generate sense of fear, humility or supremacy in order to achieve their ends. Long ago I watched a documentary in which a suicide bomber was asked if he read religious text, his answer was NO, he just trusted on whatever his leader/master said.
Did they say they took inspiration from their religious text? If not, how is this similar to what these terrorists are doing in the name of Islam?
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
they are 100% muslims..now they may not be a moderate muslim like you but hey they are 100% muslims. they believe in allah, they dont do shirak and declare prophet Muhammad as last prophet. last i know if someone believes in these things, he will be a muslim. if they are not muslims, who are they? Nazis? Christians? Jews? ? hindus?
How do you know? Have you interviewed them? ISIS is a new business entity of different form, structure is more of a gang, uses religion as guise.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
Did they say they took inspiration from their religious text? If not, how is this similar to what these terrorists are doing in the name of Islam?
My comment was regarding to the thought that certain verses should be modified (and that will solve the problem).
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
My comment was regarding to the thought that certain verses should be modified (and that will solve the problem).
If certain verses should be modified then killing as you desire, drink as you desire, fornicate as you desire would become all permissible under human wisdom.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
My comment was regarding to the thought that certain verses should be modified (and that will solve the problem).
I don't think we can modify historical/ancient texts and I am not proposing that. I am simply saying we need to teach these problematic verses in full context while condemning them before our children learn them from a bad source. What is happening now is that most teachers completely ignore them or they don't teach them properly. It becomes a problem when a child learns the violent verses from a bad source and realizes that this must also be true because the Quran says so.
When our scholars are asked to explain the violent verses, they don't condemn them, they justify them by narrating events that took place 1400 years ago and the moral standards back the. That is fine but then they also reiterate that Quran is timeless and the true moral guide for all humanity. How can those two be true at the same time?
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
If certain verses should be modified then killing as you desire, drink as you desire, fornicate as you desire would become all permissible under human wisdom.
And how can we forget that many religious text/knowledge are called revealed/divine. Some noted scholars opine that religious tenets were not immutable but today, when all books are available in soft and hard copy, the whole idea of modifying religious texts is stupid.