Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/2016

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So basically ISIS's end game is to end the world?

I'm going to agree to disagree. I believe their end game is to have EVERYONE believe what they think because in their heads everyone should be Muslim and everyone should follow Islam how they see it - in the literal sense, how the Quran was written. Everyone should revert back to the archaic way of thinking and live out life that way. That's their end game, but it will never happen.

I highly doubt they're just a group of sh*t disturbers. The Quran teaches to keep apart from Kafirs, to defend against Kafirs and then take offensive against the Kafirs, which is what they're doing - literally following the Quran.

But this is just my opinion... I'm not here to shove it down anyone's throat.

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it's so ironic that you speak volumes against Qur'aan and aHaadees, yet your username has suffix '786' in it which is the numerical equivalent of Bismimillah-irr-ReHamaa-ir-RahHeem.

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How am I speaking volumes against the Quran? I'm just stating what it says/teaches - which is IMO is archaic. Also, Hadiths are man-made teachings of what people believe the Prophets teachings to be, so yeah I don't believe in those because I could very well write my own right now if I wanted to.

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you have flaws in your very basic understanding of Islamic beliefs and concepts. there is no point in discussing with you. bye.

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but we are not roaming around with bomb-vests around us, killing people around, and that is what should be known to the world.

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What will change, or impact is, that ISIS does not represent Islam/Islamic teachings, awareness to the non-Muslim masses. Media will attempt to taint ISIS as Muslim/Islamic but if you tell people around you that is not the case they will question the media. One step at a time, don't try jumping to solution with one step.

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You disagree with ISIS on what their stated intentions are? ISIS has written volumes about this in their Dabiq magazine. They're quite explicit about it.
As the old saying goes, you're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

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I believe their end game is to have EVERYONE believe what they think because in their heads everyone should be Muslim and everyone should follow Islam how they see it - in the literal sense, how the Quran was written.

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If it's how the Quran was written, then why attack Saudis? Why attack Shia who also think they're following a way congruent with the Quran? Or the Taliban? Or any other orthodox sunni that disagrees with them? You're suggesting that they're right, and everyone else is wrong? On what basis, other than a semantically null statement that Islam is what ISIS does is what is written in the Quran.

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The Quran teaches to keep apart from Kafirs, to defend against Kafirs and then take offensive against the Kafirs, which is what they're doing - literally following the Quran.

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When the Quran refers to Kufr, it's a reference to a very specific group of people and a very specific set of events. When ISIS refers to Kafirs, it's everyone else except members of their select group. How does one feed the other?

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I highly doubt they're just a group of sh*t disturbers.

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Didn't say they were. I doubt they have that view too. In fact, they probably take their mission quite seriously. It's all rather quite cosmic.

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Oh forget the world, already...if a person gets a paper cut because of a terrorist plot in Paris, then the whole 'world' would be all Kumbaya let's light some candles.

Some f*ck decides to blow up a bomb beside one of the holiest shrines in Islam, packed with worshipers, and it's all "well ya see, these ISIS guys are just following real Islam, so stop saying they ain't Muslims and blah blah"...the dissonance is outstanding. Frankly, the message is clear...

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picopico, who or what is making these "f*cks" blow themselves up, in your opinion?

imho, the most immediate danger from these kinds of radicals, radicals who think theirs is the right way and everyone else must be exterminated, is to muslims and muslim societies. ISIS' uber-like model of farming out radicalization using the internet is going to find a lot of regular joe muslims, other sects, etc than non-muslims to kill.

a significant percentage of muslims cant seem to make up their mind if taliban are good or bad in afghanistan, after so long.

telling non-muslims not to blame islam for isis is well and good, but that doesnt contain isis from recruiting more nutjob muslims. its more important for muslims to clarify all this to themselves first.

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Wait, what? How are you going to convince the world that ISIS isn't muslim when they say so and their leaders have studied the qur'an in depth? This denial is only hurting muslims, because now the world is looking at all of us and asking whether we support the barbaric ideology and this denial proves that we do. Why is it so hard to distinguish bad parts of islam from good parts of it? Clearly, most of you can't, therefore you are their silent accomplice. How come ISIS is able recruit mostly muslims and from all over the world? If the problem wasn't islamic, surely other crazies would be attracted to their violent lifestyle too.

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^ lol, if we were to listen to you, we would be ripping pages from Quran and probably inserting something edited by you, or at least this is what the media/westerners would want us to do. Its not the denial, its not understanding of people which is hurting.

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Well, actually, I'd be more interested in your opinion. If there is an allusion to Islam here, surely a few seconds of thought would have us dismiss that as absurd. There's a mosque, the second most revered in the orthodox Muslim world, that was attacked, chalk full of worshipers, practicing the Islamic faith in a very traditional way which pretty much any Muslim across any school of thought deems meritorious. The idea that anyone could be motivated by an extreme interpretation of that same tradition is asinine. Anyone with any kind of objectivity could at the very least conclude, insofar as contemporary Muslim thought and practice is concerned, that what we are dealing with is far from an orthodox movement in Islam. And I do think those who practice Islam as a living faith have much more insight into what is going on than those who look on in terms of simple and almost childish geopolitical narratives.

And let's face facts...the fact's don't matter. It's all about the narrative. ISIS is a wild-eyed crazy political group out to dominate the Muslim world through violence, and then, on to the rest of the world! Islamists! They're all the same! Whaabi-salafis from deoband who pledge alligence to Hezbollah and are secret members of the cult of Morsi, no less. Throw in as many hyphenations as you want. Don't get me wrong...I get it. I have a very, very rudimentary knowledge of marketing theory to know that the acts of ISIS are tarnishing the brand of Islam, and what's needed is a counter narrative. Not interested. I'll leave the narratives (which are not facts, or even factual) to those who have a position to sell.

For those who practice Islam as a living faith, we do arrogate upon ourselves the right to say, (i.e. we get to TELL you), what ISIS is doing is not motivated by our reading of religious texts or history.

And it is for this reason, they hate us. You've got that part correct.

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telling non-muslims not to blame islam for isis is well and good, but that doesnt contain isis from recruiting more nutjob muslims. its more important for muslims to clarify all this to themselves first.
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Well that's a good extension to what I was trying to convey to the good Captain1. Why the hell are Muslims saying *anything *at all to non-muslims? This is *our *problem, regardless of where the problem originated from.

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they are 100% muslims..now they may not be a moderate muslim like you but hey they are 100% muslims. they believe in allah, they dont do shirak and declare prophet Muhammad as last prophet. last i know if someone believes in these things, he will be a muslim. if they are not muslims, who are they? Nazis? Christians? Jews? ? hindus?

once you accept they are muslims, only then you will get to the next level where we need to start figuring out what have made them so fundamentalist, what are those teaching and scriptures in our religion that could be interpreted to make someone so cold and fundamentalist. After that, muslim scholars need to use Ijmah and Qayas to separate those teachings from our religion so that it is aligned with 21st century (that is exactly why islam allowed ijmah and qayas but we decided to live ideologically in 7th century)

but what are we doing right now?..we have closed our yes, we just call them non-muslims and declare that no muslim can do anything that callous, and that nothing is wrong with our religion as our religion is the best one...challo jee, baat khatam, paisa hazam.

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One question for everyone

imagine, some religious christian groups were killing around the globe, were cutting kids throats, were cutting heads and were exploding suicide bombs...and then imagine if Christians kept on calling them non-Christians as jesus believed in non-violence. what would be Muslims' reaction? you would have laughed at them and told them bro these monsters are indeed Christians, go back and fix the problem instead of just calling them non-Christians.

right? so lets be fair

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By extension, the Hindus that killed muslims in Gujrat weren't Hindus?

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oh noooooooooooo, how dare you? they are 100% hindus, extremist hindus who want to kill every muslim in india and want to make india "only for hindus" and yes modi is a most fundamentalist hindu.... all those gujrat killers were hindus. what the hell are you talking about? dont try to be smart by declaring them non-hindus. you think we are stupid?

NO SIR, we are not

and oh by the way, we are men of principles but our principles are a bit flexible!

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You mean like the Serbs during the Bonsian war? Who were hella' lot like ISIS in their brutality, except their religiosity was wrapped up in Nationalism...but had many-a-fundementalist christian backer/sympathizer? Why are we speaking in hypotheticals?

Now, I don't ever recall having laughed at a Christian who expressed abhorrence at their action.

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That's not what is being said.

Are you willing to suggest, or be bullied into a position, that proclaims (not even opines) that what motivated the Gujrat attacks was *Hinduism: *the ideas, practices, rituals...

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and those serbs were indeed Christians...i dont recall pope declaring them non-Christians just because jesus no 1 teaching is non violence.

and by the way, USA finished those christian monsters ........ thank you amreeka-shareef! thank you clinton-shareef

now you never laughed at them because church and pope never called those serbs non-Christians. had they done that, you would have laughed at them

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YES....those were hindu extremists who believed in Hinduism supremacy and wanted to impose this on everyone.

now billions of hindus do not beleieve in this extreme version of Hinduism but does it mean that modi, shev sena, some portions of BJP and gujrati extremists are not hindus? of course they are hindus who are interpreting certain scriptures of their religion which is causing extremism Hinduism....but i never heard of any Hindu calling those extreme hindus non-hindus. did you?