Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
[RIGHT]سعودی وزارت داخلہ کے سرکاری ٹوئٹر اکاونٹ نے مدینہ منورہ میں خودکش دھماکے اور اسکے نتیجے میں ہونے والی چار ہلاکتیں اور پانچ زخمیوں کی بھی تصدیق کردی - خودکش بمبار مسجد نبوی میں داخل ہونے کی کوشش کرتے ہوئے پکڑا گیا اور خود کو باہر ہی اڑا دیا-[/RIGHT]so it was suicide bombing as confirmed by sauidi govt and the jahanmie wanted to blow himself inside the masjid nabwiee
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
great great post on social media. everyone, pls read this
There is a pernicious, disingenuous meme floating around. It goes: "ISIS have killed Muslims in Istanbul, Dhaka, Baghdad and now the holy city of Madina. So leave us alone, ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!"
A) What exactly is the point here? ISIS are still from among us Muslims. They still adopt a version of Islam that happens to be found in our scripture (eg: stone women, kill apostates, chop off limbs) to justify their actions.
B) Think how insulting we sound. 'They can't be Muslims because they're killing other Muslims'. As if killing non-Muslims would somehow make us accept they have something to do with Islam??
C) Religious extremism throughout the ages has targeted its 'own' before others. That's the nature of trying to control people. And that's why extremists were always so concerned with 'heresy' and 'blasphemy'. The 'traitor' from within is always more dangerous, and thus always more strictly punished. The Prophet's own grand children were killed by Muslim extremists known as the khawarij who were reported to be better at reciting the Quran & more steadfast in prayer than anyone else.
D) The fact is, claiming that ISIS has nothing to do with Islam is as unhelpful and ignorant as saying ISIS is Islam per se. It's blindingly obvious they have something to do with Islam and everyone's laughing at us for trying to deny this.
Instead of whinging and making our first reaction about Muslim victimhood, again, why not try being part of the solution by working to challenge extremism?
Or are cartoons the only thing that make us come out in the streets with rage?
yeah..
lets make iraq a country again and undo 2 wars.
lets make lybia a county and put qadafi back.
lets make syria a county again as it was pre war.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
yeah..
lets make iraq a country again and undo 2 wars.
lets make lybia a county and put qadafi back.
lets make syria a county again as it was pre war.
Problem solved.. no ISIS.
ISIS is not the result of invasions. It is the result of an ideology ... invasions or not.
What you are doing is throwing blame on others instead of identifying the root cause of problem. The problem can not be solved until the root cause is identified and corrective actions are taken to eliminate that root cause.
If root cause is ideology and corrective action is to stop the invasions alone, then problem will remain and will grow with time.
If it is agreed that ideology is the root cause then corrective actions to defeat that ideology will be taken. Such as stop of funding to mosques/madressahs spreading this ideology, actions against countries and groups who support this ideology, etc.
Not to say that many of those invasions were ok. But extremism did not develop due to that.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
yeah..
lets make iraq a country again and undo 2 wars.
lets make lybia a county and put qadafi back.
lets make syria a county again as it was pre war.
Problem solved.. no ISIS.
Which is done cannot be undone.
But what we can still do is make sure hatred is not being further taught in madrassas and muslims are not following the teachings of ideologues of ISIS like Abdul Wahab, Ibn taimyyah.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
ISIS is not the result of invasions. It is the result of an ideology ... invasions or not.
What you are doing is throwing blame on others instead of identifying the root cause of problem. The problem can not be solved until the root cause is identified and corrective actions are taken to eliminate that root cause.
If root cause is ideology and corrective action is to stop the invasions alone, then problem will remain and will grow with time.
If it is agreed that ideology is the root cause then corrective actions to defeat that ideology will be taken. Such as stop of funding to mosques/madressahs spreading this ideology, actions against countries and groups who support this ideology, etc.
Not to say that many of those invasions were ok. But extremism did not develop due to that.
Awesome.
Where was ISIS prewar, pre-lets-make-Middle-east-hell for fun and profit era ????
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
@Monk. And you guys said my concerns were invalid. More and more people are waking up to the reality. It is about time we recognize the problems within our own communities and accept it as a result of us ignoring, avoiding, justifying things in Islam that only push us into the age of darkness once again.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
A) What exactly is the point here? ISIS are still from among us Muslims. They still adopt a version of Islam that happens to be found in our scripture (eg: stone women, kill apostates, chop off limbs) to justify their actions.
The point is they pretend to be following a version of Islam but that is just that .... pretend, they 'adapt' the more "visible" ones, but they forgot the verses of Quran where it said not to kill.
B) Think how insulting we sound. 'They can't be Muslims because they're killing other Muslims'. As if killing non-Muslims would somehow make us accept they have something to do with Islam??
No, it is not "insulting", when they are killing Muslims it just goes to show ISIS is not just about "killing apostates", they kill indiscriminately, they have no regard for any religion.
D) The fact is, claiming that ISIS has nothing to do with Islam is as unhelpful and ignorant as saying ISIS is Islam per se. It's blindingly obvious they have something to do with Islam and everyone's laughing at us for trying to deny this.
ISIS has "something" to do with Islam, as much as they claim to be Muslims and they happen to be in Muslim countries, thats about it.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
*havent read any of the posts but A friend was present at the place in medina and told me that it was just a gas cylinder that exploded in the parking lot. the real explosion or terrorist attacked happened in jeddah. *
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
*havent read any of the posts but A friend was present at the place in medina and told me that it was just a gas cylinder that exploded in the parking lot. the real explosion or terrorist attacked happened in jeddah. *
That is what was told to everyone to stop a possible panic, otherwise you can imagine what could've happened.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
It most definitely is ideology, but to say these people aren't Muslim is incorrect. It's ideology that's taken straight from the Quran - literally following it word-for-word, basically failing to evolve like other religions. Ideologies like eye for an eye, beating your wife (lightly or whatever), the idea of kafirs (keep apart --> defend --> take offensive), etc. You can't un-teach these things unfortunately, it's what people believe, it's what they believe is correct in the most literal form in the Quran. So yeah they are Muslim.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
It most definitely is ideology, but to say these people aren't Muslim is incorrect. It's ideology that's taken straight from the Quran - literally following it word-for-word, basically failing to evolve like other religions. Ideologies like eye for an eye, beating your wife (lightly or whatever), the idea of kafirs (keep apart --> defend --> take offensive), etc. You can't un-teach these things unfortunately, it's what people believe, it's what they believe is correct in the most literal form in the Quran. So yeah they are Muslim.
They may be Muslims or what not, but their acts definitely are not Islamic.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
ISIS was al-Qaeda at that time.
Actually, names don't matter. ISIS = Qaeda = Nusra Front = Qaeda in Arabian Peninsula = Sipahe Sahaba = Jamatud Dawa = Taliban = Boko Haram.
Again, it is about the IDEOLOGY. Not about a single ENTITY.
Let's not be aloof in our thinking.
ISIS was Al Q in Iraq. This was a splinter group from Al Q, in that they did not have the same *ideology. *It's a specific thing, not a coarse rule like "Islam shall be the law of the land". In which case, you may as well lump in the MB into that group.
And it was precisely the power vacuum and failed state left in the wake of the invasion that led to the rise of ISIS. Violent "islamism" has been around forever and a half. The success of ISIS is not the appeal of the ideology, but the fact that they've been provided a space through various geopolitical factors to thrive.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
It most definitely is ideology, but to say these people aren't Muslim is incorrect. It's ideology that's taken straight from the Quran - literally following it word-for-word, basically failing to evolve like other religions. Ideologies like eye for an eye, beating your wife (lightly or whatever), the idea of kafirs (keep apart --> defend --> take offensive), etc. You can't un-teach these things unfortunately, it's what people believe, it's what they believe is correct in the most literal form in the Quran. So yeah they are Muslim.
The Hadith, not the Quran. It's already widely known that the goal of ISIS is not an ideological one, but an apocalyptic one. They have no interest in running a state except to emulate what is narrated about the end times. The goal is to usher in the end of the world by playing out prophecy. These yahoos who go around in mass shootings and pledging allegiance to ISIS do so for their own reasons, but I doubt it's because they buy into ISIS core end-time vision. ISIS is very much interested in drawing in the entire world into open conflict with them (the "ummah", as they see it), as that is what is predicted.
So yes, it is a religious belief, a distinctly Islamic one, but it's hardly orthodox and hardly compelling. And yes, it is un-islamic in that they think they can compel Allah (swt) to start the end of the world through their acts. That fails Islamic Theology 101.
Re: Suicide bombing attack near Prophet Mohammed PBUH's mosque in Madinah - 07/04/201
It's amazing how when Muslims carry out atrocities in Western lands, we're told to back off from the root cause argument. Not the time, it's not appropriate. Here, we have ISIS victimizing our own, and the usual suspects aren't parroting their familiar refrain....instead...root causes, baby! All about the root causes!
