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And so I am asking your highness to explain it to us.
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The mainstream media did not report the Israeli’s jumping up and down, and then filming the towers as they came crashing down, nor Israel have pre-knowledge of the attacks. So I don’t know where you got that from.
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Military backpacks are easy to get hold of. They are sold at army surplus and specialist stores (one tip my brother was given by serving soldiers was that the military grade equipment sold to civilians at these stores was often superior to standard british army issue). They are popular with hikers and backpackers because of their huge carrying capacity.
Explosives: Semtex and other explosives have been pretty easy to get hold of in Europe, because of the East European mafia. The absence of border control within the EU means that you can transport almost anything within Europe with no risk of getting caught. Customs agents only search large vehicles, searching for bulk smugglers.
Timers: Even crude timers, either analogue or digital, are pretty easy to make. I have a friend who made a digital clock from scratch when he was 14 as a school project. A timer is just a glorifed clock.
I’m still going with framing theory.
As I said, someone decided these 4 guys were going to die. You cannot blow up 4 trains and buses at random and hope that the blast would blow apart a young muslim guy in each.
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Maddy: Wouldn't it make sense for the bombers to fill a big bag with all kinds of toys and gifts and stuff to bury the explosives at the bottom of the bag just in case some security officer asked to make a cursory inspection of the contents? Go to any football game and all bags are supposedly searched. The old guy working part time for the private security agency usually opens the bag, pokes a little bit at the contents and waves you through. If all you've got in a small bag is explosives, you've got no chance to clear an inspection.
Since no timers have been found according to police reports, the explanation for the guy poking around in his bag is that he needed to move some of the "cover" materials to get at the detonator.
At least I'll give you credit for creative thought in your proposed explanation. But even under your scenario, the person who convinced the youths to unknowingly carry the bombs to a religious conference and deliver them to four different parts of London would have to be someone the boys really trusted, NO? Maybe an imam at the local mosque?
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More info coming out about these happy go lucky pads.
A series of setbacks in Hussain’s life may be behind a sudden change from a British Asian who dressed in Western clothes to a religious teenager who wore Islamic garb and only stopped to say salaam to fellow Muslims.
School created the first setback. After attending Ingram Primary, he moved up to Matthew Murray secondary- now the Holbeck campus of South Leeds College - in September 1998, where he was entered for a number of GCSEs. But he was withdrawn by teachers from his GCSEs and left on 20 July 2003 with a GNVQ in business studies.
He had always found an escape in football. But, about two years ago, the Hornets’ pitch was closed down. At about the same time, Hussain seemed to disappear into another world, according to associates.
“He was really into cricket and football. We would get together every weekend, then they closed the pitch down. I never saw him much after that until six to eight weeks ago,” said a friend.
It seems he thought he had found Islam. He grew a beard and began dressing in traditional Muslim clothes. When he was last spotted by the friend he had shaved off his beard. Al-Qa’ida analysts have claimed that may be a sign of a radicalised Muslim’s intention to become a terrorist. The friend said: “I asked him why he had shaved off the beard. He said it was a long story and that he did not like one mosque saying one thing and another mosque saying that was the wrong way. When he heard so many arguments he thought, ‘Forget it. I will go my own way’.”
Full Article: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article299086.ece
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And this.
:: It has emerged two of the bombers were cautioned by police for minor offences last year and one of them had been looked at, but not arrested, in an anti-terrorist operation in 2004.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,30000-13386885,00.html
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Ahmedjee…In case you are not following, CNN got a lot of flack for showing that footage…It was shot 7 months prior to the 9/11 thing…
But you’re right…Zionists can celebrate, Muslims deserve bombs…
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So, if someone keeps a beard he’s a terrorist and if he shaves it off, it’s his intention to be a terrorist…
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Terrorist:
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May become a terrorist:
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Security in the USA is probably tighter than in the UK. Both in day to day life and on public transport systems in the UK there are no spot checks ever done. Even after the bombing London Transport has no plans to introduce spot checking.
Cursory inspections were, simply, never ever done. There are only 3 types of places where I’ve seen security checks ever done in the UK
- Airport/ports
- Major tourist attractions
- Sports stadiums
Again, it’s hard to believe that they would sit there and actively plan for how to deal with the eventuality of a level of security that had never ever been there. Especially at rush hour (ever been in London at rush hour? ) there would be no practical way to search any suspicious looking people (something that had never been done before).
But where security checks are done in the UK, there are very thorough. When I visited the CN Tower I was utterly appalled at how brief and cursory their inspections of bags were (though maybe they completely trust the fancy bomb-sniffer they have). Hiding a bomb in a bag of toys would be no protection.
And reports of timings devices are still continuing to circulate in the mainstream media, despite official police denials.
From the St Petersburg (Florida) Times today:
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/14/Worldandnation/Britain_combs_globe_f.shtml
They carried identifying property such as credit cards and driver’s licenses to the scene of the attacks, and British investigators believe they wanted to be identified as the bombers and were determined to die, even though they had sophisticated timing devices and could have set off the explosives without being present.
At any rate, the crime scenes have not been completely wrapped up yet. There is no conclusive proof of timing devices yet, but equally, there are no report indicating that the kind of detonators used have been identified. The investigation is still young, and the scenes still being recovered and analyzed.
I certainly agree that whoever gave them the bombs had to be someone they trusted.
Nor am I pointing fingers at anyone. I’m not saying that it was a government set up, and I’m not saying that it was some kind of extremist. That knowledge is too much for me to even speculate.
What I’m saying is that from what I see, there is a strong possibility of the 4 being unaware of what was coming.
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We’ll no timers would me to manually set the bombs off so they would see what was coming.
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Any anti-terrorist operation is, by its nature, a broad sweep. it’s always looking for a needle in a haystack. Sometimes, you examine bits of hay.
Now here’s a question for you myvoice:
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,30000-13386860,00.html
**MOHAMMED SIDIQUE KHAN:
**As a learning mentor in primary schools he acted as a first day “buddy” helping immigrant children settle into education when they arrived in Britain. He is believed to have booked time off school to take part in the bombings.
He booked a day off. Given that he home the day before the attack, and blew himself up right at the very start of the next day, why book the day off?
Who would get suspicious if he was a little late for work? It woulnd’t have mattered because after an hour, he’d be dead.
Why did he care about booking time off? Maybe because he didn’t want his career and professional repuation to be affected by not being at work for a day? Maybe because he was expecting to be back and continue his job?
Why book time off if you are expecting to die before anyone at work really notices you’re gone?
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Maybe he didn’t want one or more of the little immigrant children not to have a “buddy” that day. By booking a day off, a “substitute buddy” could be arranged. There is nothing mutually exclusive about a guy caring about little immigrant children and being prepared to dismember a bunch of strangers on a train for Allah.
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^
If the operation was delayed?
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Delayed by so much that an opportunity to set the bombs off wouldn't come for a long time? :-|
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So right now, between myvoice and underthedome we have 4 bombers walking around with giant backpacks full of toys and bombs just in case they encounter the first-ever systematic search of public transport, during rush hour in a city of over 10 million people. The same guys are afraid that in the same giant busy city they if they are late they won't be able to find a good place to blow themselves up for so long that someone 200 miles away will work out that they are not at work, will alert the police and thus start a manhunt. This being in a country where the police do not start searching for missing adults until they have been missing for at least 48 hours.....
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What baffles me is if they didn’t know what they were carrying, why did they all hook up at King’s Cross and then head off in different directions?
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MS as appealing as your theory sounds I don’t agree with it, you and me both know that there are young dimwits in our community who are more than willing to play into the hands of these pseudo Islamic organisations.
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At least 3 of them were known to be friends, they probably knew the 4th guy too and travelled down with him from Yorkshire as a group. If they needed to go to 4 different places in London to drop off whatever the contents of the huge bags were (I mean, the stuff taking up the rest of the space apart from the small amount of explosive), they would split up.
I fully agree that such dimwits exist. Frankly, while I was at university I met one of two idiot guys who I could easily believe would do this kind of stuff, who would have revelled and gloried in it. But those guys were the Richard Reid / Omar Sheikh types. They were very open in their militarism, very passionate about condemning the wrong they saw going on, and very angry at the impotence they felt of the muslims to react. They were the kind of people who praised 9/11 as being a triumph.
But the 3 men blamed for this - those who know them are saying they were not of this mould.