They went to kill themselves with bomb.. and took their IDs with them…
why? 
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So a plot could develop...Every good storywriter has to make sure the plot develops through incidents...
Like the wallets of WTC and the wallets here...Seems they hired the same writer again...:D
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well… all others did not take their ID’s with them too according to the writer then:eek: ?
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It did...Right next to the Muslim ID was an ID of an angrez...How interesting would the plot be if the culprit was Gora...
The goras seem to do this kind of BS every now and then...Remember Columbine?
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They could do us a favor and change their names to something like "Joseph, Smith, David..
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Either: It was planted afterwards to incriminate them. This would suppose they were kidnapped by whoever did it the night before and killed, given that their parents and wives don't know whey they are since the night before.
Or if they did it: Why would it matter to them if they were identified anyway? It's not as though the government could do anything about them after they were blown into pieces Why would they not carry their wallets that day as every other day?
Or: They wanted to be able to be identified afterwards so that they could be "celebrated" by like-minded people. What the point in dying like that if no one knows who you are? There's never been a self-bombing in history without the perpetrator leaving a letter, statement, or other form of documentation about who he/she was.
Or: They didn't want their families to be in perpetual doubt about where they were. Carrying ID with them would leave something behind to confirm to their families that they were dead so they could grieve and move on.
Or: They carried their wallets with them to buy the tickets to be able to get on the train.
Or: They just happened to be on the trains with their wallets on their person when someone else blew up the trains with them on it.
Or: They unwittingly were carrying the bombs, and thus had their wallets with their ID on their person like any other normal person on the trains/bus
Or: Someone planted the stuff there later as misinformation
Frankly, *if* they were not willingly behind the explosion, and I think they weren't since they were not overtly furious people about politics like Richard Reid was, then they were specifically chosen by someone else to die. It's stupid to blow up trains and a bus randomnly and *hope* that a young muslim dies on each so he can be blamed. Someone had to make sure that a young muslim guy was close enough to each blast to be killed in such as a way as to suggest he was responsible. Easiest way is to dupe him into carrying the bomb...
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By the way - the official version the police have of how they identified the IDs as being of the bombers was.
1) they found body parts of a man with injuries consistent with being close enough to the blast to be a potential suspect, such as decapitation.
3) The man was identified as Habib Husain.
4) They searched for him in the security camera footage
5) They found him with 3 others in there
6) 2 of the other guys in the video with him at the train station matched IDs in the bombed carriages.
The case is built on Habib's injuries being consistent with the blast pattern of carrying a bomb on one's self, all 4 men being together that morning 20 minutes before the first explosion, and all 4 men happening to be in the bombed carriages close enough to the explosion for each to be killed and blasted apart.
Personally, I think they were each carrying a bomb. I don't think they knew it.
The kid on the bus was known to have been fiddling a lot in his bag. He probably found the bomb, but was too scared to tell anyone because a young muslim guy with a bomb is unlikely to be believe to be innocent. His fiddling was him probably trying to disable the bomb, but obviously, being just a kid, he wouldn't have the slightest clue.
One of the witnesses who got off the bus reported hearing a scream (which he couldn't tell was a man or a woman) just before the explosion. I think there' a good chance that the kid realised the bomb was about to explode (there may have been a visible timer) and screamed in fear.
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^ what makes you think they didn't know they were carrying a bomb?
How did anyone put bombs in the bags of 4 separate boys without them noticing it? You'd think one might have figured it out.
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Thanks for the info Maddy. :k:
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Remember:
All suspects grew up in multiracial neighbourhoods.
Suspect 1:22 years old, studies sports science at the local university. Went to Pakistan to study Islam, came back after 2 months saying that he didn't like the people there. Never talked about politics with his friends except the usual complaints about USA in Iraq that almost all Muslims do, friends and family all deny that he ever showed anger at the UK. No sign that he would do anything like this. No one knows of him doing anything remotely like preparing for this.
Suspect 2: 18 years old. Religious, after he spent 2 years in Pakistan where his family sent him for being a drinking wild child. Again, friends who knew him say that political issues never seemed high on his mind; no anger towards Britain.
Suspect 3: 30 years old. Married to a girl of his choice 2 years ago at university, had a 8 month old daughter. His wife worked for the local government. He worked as a mentor for vulnerable young children with learning disabilities. Again - no one who knows him heard of any anger at Britain. His mother-in-law was given an award by the Queen for her work as a teacher.
Compare this with Richard Reid, the last British Muslim who tried to kill himself with a bomb (and admitted it himself). Richard was openly very militant, openly question Muslim teachers who were not militant, and was very loudly very angry at the USA and the West in general.
If they had pointed the finger at Richard Reid kind of people (and the UK has a lot of them), I would concede and say yes, they probably deliberately planned and carried it out.
But to point and blame individuals who do not have any kind of motive; individuals who's lives do not show intolerance, individuals with no background in this kind of thing as say that they were living some kind of dual life is, to me, ridiculous.
Yes, I would not be surprised if they were carrying the bombs. But given the lack of anger these individuals had, I'd be very sceptical if they were knowing and willing participants in the plan.
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By giving them the bags. Someone they had no reason to suspect could give them the bags and give them a reason to go to 4 places.
There are many possible explanations. Maybe someone told them this was some kind of competition
At least 3 out of 4 told their familes they were going to a religious conference in London. Maybe someone asked them or paid them to deliver the the bags to friends around London. You know … "hey, there’s this great Islamic conference, it’s kind small, like 30 people and a guest speaker to keep it exclusive. Wanna go for the day? Hey.. if you’re going can you do me a favour? I bought this stuff for some of my friends, can you give it to them? The 4 guys live here, here, here and here. If you go to King’s cross, you can take the tube to 3 of them and a bus to the last guy. All you need to do is give the stuff to my friends and then be at the conference by 9:30… "
**The guys were described as carrying infantry-like backpacks (which my brother, as a former British army reservist, used to have). But each bomber is only said to have had 4.5kg of explosives. 4.5 kg of high explosive is the same size as 3-4 bricks. You don’t need an infantry sized backpack for that - you need those to haul up to 60kg of equipment.
If the bomb was in the backpack that big, then there was a lot of other stuff in there too. Why carry lots of stuff around if you’re just gonna blow yourself up? None of the police reports suggest that there were significant shrapnel related injuries, as happens in suicide bombing in the middle east where explosive belts surrounded with nails and metal chips are used. **
The guys were most likely thinking that they were carrying just a load of stuff for someone else but which had a bomb in it amongst the stuff. The backbacks were probably full of innocent looking stuff. Maybe clothes, books, etc.
The guy on the bus, the agitated one, seems to have had a bit of a criminal streak in him in his younger days. Whilst he was reformed, maybe his curiosity never went away. On the boring bus ride he started wondering what eas the stuff he was delivering, so he started going through the bag and found the bomb.
The kid’s 18… not exactly likely to be a cool thinker under pressure. So he’s figuring it’s Guantanamo for him or somethig if he’s caught in London with a bomb, so it trying to disable it and panicking and hence his periodic fumbling and pulling in the bag.
So out of (understandibly) selfish worry for his own freedom, he wants to keep trying as long as he can do disable the bomb rather than warn everyone but end up getting arrested. With some kind of timer on it, he can tell when his time is up, hence the scream the witness reported just before the explosion.
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Maddy, thanks for the intelligently put responses. Does bring a lot of doubt in mind.
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By the way. They weren’t separate. They all knew each other, they all arrived at King’s Cross together and with similar, if not identical bags. The bags could have been given to them all at the same time by someone they had no reason to suspect.
Tell me something. If I lived 20 minutes away from you, and found that you were going to drive to a town 200 miles away to spend a day, and said “Hey PCG, could you do me a favour? A girl I went to university with got married last month and is there on business in the town you’re going to - could you please take this present with you and give it to her otherwise I’ll have to go all the way there are and back myself and only get to see her for 1 hour bfore her meeting” , … would you take the present and deliver it for me?
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^
Even if she was gonna before, she probably wouldnt anymore :D
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you know, honestly, maddie, if it was YOU, I would. If it was someone I knew in real life and trusted, I would.
But you're right, how much can you trust someone to take a parcel for them.
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Yes, and if you pull Hamza’s leg it plays jingle bells. 
socioecomic standing has nothing to do with islamic terrorism. This has been proven over and over again. There are sick people who go to university, graduate, go off to study under mullah mehatekaffir and come back with a renewed sense of immoral purpose. 3000 brits trained in jihadi camps in pakistan and afghanistan before US cleaned that place up. most were not economically destitute.
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Who brought socioeconomic standing into it? My point is whether the accuseds' actions give any indication of inclination to militarism.
Another case is the Danny Pearl killer, Omar Sheikh. Omar Sheikh's friends and colleagues in the UK stated to the media how, during his last few months and years in the UK, he was clearly becoming increasing radical and loud in his anger about America and Jews.
According to the people who know them, these guys never gave any indication of significant political anger like the other British militants did.
I would find it hard to believe that if someone harboured this much anger, they would not try and persuade others to share that anger. Why keep completely shut about your anger to your own friends? Hell ... back in England my investment banker buddies and I would sit round and angrily condemn the USA's and UK's actions in sheesha session but never harboured any thoughts of criminal, murderous bombing.
Why on earth would 3 people even more angry than me and my friends, so angry that they would kill for it, also keep completely shut when far less angry people open propagated their beliefs and tried to make others angry at the USA and UK for its actions?
It is not as though they would stand out for doing so. The UK has literally thousands of Muslims who are loudly and bitterly angry about the UK's actions in Iraq, but at the same time utterly pacifist in manifesting that anger. If these guys did harbour murderous plans, they could have still still expressed their intense anger and still merely fit in to the huge numbers of peaceful Muslims who were dissatisfied with the UK.
But no - these guys were, according to those who knew them, not overly concerned with the actions of the UK.
Why die for a cause that's so unimportant to you that you never talked about it with your friends?
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^ because they are terrorists on a mission Maddy. If you go blabbing about what you are going to do, not a very good strategy. But I guess, you know most terrorists actually go talking about what they are going to do and why. Can you pick a few out on GS?
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Maddy, your theory although nicely put and envisioned is a bit far fetched i think
4 guys, delivering 4 different bags to 4 different people. all bags given to them by same guy and they never bothered to open or even take a peek at inside the infantry bag holding 4.5 KGs of brick like ammo? And its just some random coincidence that they all met at the King's Cross minutes before the bombs went off? And they all were from Leeds and travelled to London to deliver a package they had no idea what ? Too much coincidence.
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So before they got their mission, they were not at all concerned with geopolitics? While they were musing over their mission, they were not at all concerned with geopolitics?
And in a country where the presence of the UK in Iraq and Afghanistan is so widely and commonly and passionately discussed in the wider Muslim community that it becomes an issue in national and local elections, 3 people willing to kill over that presence would keep totally quiet? Not even express dissatisfaction?
I would completely understand that once they commit to the mission they would never ever talk about terrorist bombings occuring in the UK. But to imagine they would never disapprovingly discuss Britain’s actions in the war on terror with their friends, either before or after accepting the mission, is downright silly.
Why die for a cause that is so unimportant to you that you would not mention or discuss it, even in passing, with your friends and family?