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MAddy, do they have to show resentment towards Britain and US first to become a drone suicide bombers? And their resentment needs to be published on BBC news and Guardian etc: Such and such dude from Leeds is very angry cos we invaded Iraq? I mean c'mon. Their friends/family could simply be protecting themselves from being caught up.
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Who says they randomly met? It is known that at least 3 of them were friends, and it is known that they all met at Luton station and travelled to King’s Cross as a group.
I have no doubt that all 4 knew each other in Yorkshire. All 4 would have known the person who gave them the bags, all 4 knew that the person was giving 1 bag to each of the 4. Heck - he may well have given the bags to all 4 at once in the same place.
If they had reason to trust the person, they would have no reason to suspect the bags. They would have asked what’s in it and he would have given them a convincing enough answer to put them at ease. For example, saying “there’s clothes and camping equipment in there”, and then giving a soft-feeling bag, with a bit of a canvas tent sticking out of the top could convince a guy.
If I asked you to drive a bag for me over to a neighbouring town, I’m sure you’d ask me what’s in it. Once I told you, would you really then try and open the bag and rifle through it to check if I was telling you the truth?
I don’t know why you would need to deliver 4 large bags to 4 people in London, or rather, what convincing enough reason you could give to get 4 people to believe you. I can come up with a lot of speculation on it, however.
And as I mentioned, why the huge backpacks? All high-explosives are denser than water and typically are almost twice as dense as water. 4 .5kg of RDX, for instance, is about 3 litres in volume. The size of 2 cartons of juice.
Why would you need a giant backpack to carry something that small? No evidence to suggest that the bag was packed with shrapnel. After bombings in Israel the police can quickly tell from the nails and ball bearings around the place whether shrapnel was involved.
You only need such a large, bulky backpack if you are carrying a lot of stuff. Why carry around a lot of stuff for 1 morning if you know you aren’t going to live for long?
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If that is true … then why were people who knew Richard Reid and Omar Sheikh willing to come out and tell about them? In the case of many many radicals in the UK, people who knew them, Muslims who know them, lament to the press about their behaviour.
Even friends who stay anonymous are not saying that they ever discussed political issues with, or that they harboured any kind of anger at the UK.
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there are assumptions in there..
do u know who told the British the "explosives pattern for suicide bombers"? yep.. u guessed it right.. Israeli 'experts'.
the part about them carrying military backpacks is the giveaway.. let's ask the government to show us the footage of these guys carrying it.. wanna bet this will NEVER air or if it does.. it'll be much later when they've had a chance to tamper with it till it's just one murky faded scratched footage.. pretty much like those of the 9-11 hijackers.
military backpacks.. initial reports of timers.. and the fact that it was an industrial strength/military explosive not a homegrown one suggest it wasn't some regular guys living regular lives.. it's just a matter of picking up four innocents and working the way backwards planting the 'evidence' pointing to them.. same old 'rental cars' and leaving documents behind stuff.. the idiot public fell for it last time why wouldn't they this time?
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When WTC occurred the Muslims around the world had the exact same sentiment. I mean what dumb flight attendants & pilots will get scared of box cutters and run the planes into a building.
Now after four years, some are still not convinced, others have moved on to 'lets look at the root cause'.
While it is probable that the youth are wrongly accused it is highly unlikely. Because for that not only the plotters had to be involved with the government but also the 100s of police officers investigating the bombings. So, unless the British government on different levels is accused to planting the whole bombing, it is hard to come up with another scenario.
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PA, lets be up front about it all.
So, how do you think the whole thing happened? And where did you get the information. I will even accept it if your information is your own calculated guess.
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it doesn’t take hundreds of police officers to plant explosives in someone’s house.. nor does it take hundreds to provide misleading information or influence an investigation.
Did it take hundreds to give the US incorrect information on WMD’s to have the whole country attack Iraq on the same basis? most of the people involved in the action actually believed the stories fed to them by the Office of Special planning in Pentagon where dual citizens fed disinformation to steer policy.
Transport of London Commissioner is ex-CIA… and once again we’ve ICTS in the picture.. one of it’s companies provides security services for contractors working on London Underground. (if u recall this is the same company incharge of security at Logan on 9/11)..
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And after all that they forgot the plant the WMDs in Iraq?
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no sir Mr. MMH, there was no need to do that.. as u can see today.. despite there being no WMD"s the US is still there.. the stress from that office was to link Iraq to Al-Qayda and it's just a stepping stone to Iran/Syria.. thus the creation of Zarqaawi and attributing all terror attacks to him and his gang.. but we digress.
btw i see some still think it's some kind of conspiracy thinking the US policy for Iraq was steered by an Office of Special Plans under Feith in Pentagon.. seriously.. today it's just based on complete facts but isn't it peculiar that the mainstream media hasn't reported on it.. thus the average Joe would still treat it as some 'conspiracy'..
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All they needed was a pretext to invade the country, and after that they don’t give a damn what people say about WMD. Now, we are supposed to believe that this bogey man Zarqawi is going around ordering the slaughter of Shia’s and others, hence we need the US to protect the Iraqi’s. But also that this nut is hiding in Iran. Jeez come on!
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So, if tomorrow someone like Moussaoui is arrested and confesses what will we think of the whole thing then?
Still, lets also go back and spell it all out the way you think it happened.
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from all the info reaching us, it appears the stunt was pulled using the "Security Exercises" being carried out for an American company the exact same day/time and location of the actual bombs..(another coincidence with 9/11 when hijacking drills were being performed the same day of the attacks).
It would have been easy to plant the explosives in the cover of these drills and then detonate in time.
Then take a couple or more days to work at scapegoats and plant enough disinformation like rental car records, ids, explosives in apartment yada yada to make it sound convincing enough for the average Joe.
As for Moussawi, just look at his links with the intelligence agencies and u'd wonder why there is no public trial and no conviction yet even after four years!
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And which company would that be?
Are they working alone or with CIA/Massaod/M15-6?
And that is done to defame the Muslims and legitimize anti-terror laws and the invasion of Iraq?
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Well, five Israeli spies were seen dancing in joy, and then filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on 9/11. No American has denied this fact, but can still not explain what they were doing there, and why they were behaving like this.
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For the same reason a bunch of Palestinians were jumping with joy in their homeland when they heard the news because they resent the US.
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You do give rather lame counter arguments. Why would Israeli spies be jumping in joy, and filming the twin towers come crashing down? No American has explained that, and now I see no wannabe American can explain it as well.
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We are not told.. but the Spokesman for Visor Consultants, Peter Power (ex Scotland Yard anti-terrorism) admitted to the mock drills being conducted for an American company.. possibly a bank.
and as for the Palestinians.. puhleeeeease ahmadjee.. i expected this of some hick from Alabama.. not YOU.. that was old footage used masterfully by CNN.. u really need to stop watching that crap man..
next up is Mr. Omar al Bakri.. the firebrand “Muslim” cleric rallying Muslim youth for Jihaad.. another ‘Abu Nidal’.. no wonder no Muslims have heard of him but he gets excellent coverage in the Western Media..
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PA, and the one done at the time of 9/11 was also Visor Consultants? Or the unknown Bank?
And Reza, the explaination you are looking for is that those 5 Israelis were the ones who carried out the attacks which if you can prove, please go ahead and knock yourself out.
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PA, the Palestinian Prof. in my university didn't jump in joy but when asked in panel discussion why the Palestinians did it, he said it was an act of frustration. Of all people he should have been the first to deny. He took the 'lets look at the root cause' route.
And lest you forget, the same media reported the 5 Israelis jumping up and down. Not the Pakistan TV. And can that image be doctored?
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No, I have no made no conclusions as to who carrired out the 9/11 attacks. But you knock yourself out and explain if you think there is nothing unusual about the fact that five Israeli spies were seen dancing, and filming the towers coming down? This coming after the fact that Mossad knew the towers were going to attacked, but did not tell their American allies. You explain these glaring facts, and maybe others will start to believe the official version, but no one to date has been able to explain it, choosing to brush this under the rug.