Re: Students in American Universities should temper their views - Split from China thread
Go back and reread some of the threads from earlier discussions on foreign students. Seriously read them. Read them as if it was your university and your money being given to a student from a foreign land.
Ironically the same day that she sent her email to her department, another incident occured. They had an award ceremony later that day. An alumni had given a $5,000 scholarship, and the award went to a foreign student. The Alum was driving two hours to the school to shake the hand of the student, and the student called the Alumni office to say that he was too busy to come shake the hand of the man who had donated the money, and could they just mail the check. Needless to say, between the Gupshup comments, and the student cancellation, all thirty people in the Alumni giving department were severely pi$$ed.
Go back and reread some of the earlier threads, and realize that this is the internet. It is not a private conversation. Americans read this board all time. Not just the Americans who have taken the time to engage you, but the casual reader who will click on this thread with no backround, and form an opinion about Pakistani students.
Re: Students in American Universities should temper their views - Split from China thread
Verizon uncle well i’m not sleepy yet
Yeah Chrisitan Chinese come on, its not my fauly, most of the Chinese ppl I have known have been Christian so i thought china was a christian country by majority religion of population :halo:
US foriegn policy IS unjust. They support Israel blindly. they have two different standards. Israel is allowed to do whatever she wants an Muslim countries are not.
and what do u make of the deaths of so many innocent children coz of US sanctions in Iraq, all the destruction and killing in Afghanistan for the quest of the elusive Osama, and the WMD’s in iraq that were never there?
Re: Students in American Universities should temper their views - Split from China thread
That is the absolute truth. The funny thing is that this University took the lead in establishing schlarships for Afghan women after 9/11. The Wife of the President of the University personally took the lead in carting these women around the country to new Universities, and the entire alumni department took a great deal of pride in that. Go back and read some of the comments in your thread "Out phones' tapped", and please note my comments regarding "you are doing more harm than you know".
Re: Students in American Universities should temper their views - Split from China thread
OG i saw u reading that thread in “who’s online”
anyways, i’ll be back to discuss this some other time when i feel like fighting with someone again i am sapped out of all energy right now
take care, good night
Re: Students in American Universities should temper their views - Split from China thread
Ok I know it's not your fault, muslims and pakis are never wrong, if we are, we have a million excuses. Same can be applied to the Ummah gripes. Israel is not supported blindly BTW. Oh and Israelis dont blow themsleves up and neither do they slam planes in perfectly errect buildings.
Screw US and Israel answer my one question what has any muslim country done for humanity lately? You can pick one muslim country or use them collectively.
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Anyone who thinks China is a Christian country and has no idea how China treats its Muslim minority (especially compared to the US where Muslims are freer than anywhere in the world) cannot possibly be taken seriously in a China vs. US discussion.
So the US blindly supports Israel. Every Muslim and Muslim country blindly supports Palestinians. And as far as the other big argument against US foreign policy... if these Muslims countries weren't exporting terrorism and oppressing their people, or other Muslim countries didn't turn a blind eye and did something about it themselves, the US wouldn't have to spend its money, resources and lives bringing the terrorist countries into the world of nations.
It is hypocritical to criticize the US for following policies to further their own interests and the spread of democracy while advocating a policy that is soley based on who is Muslim and who isn't in the world - whether they are exporting terrorism or not. Using the religion of the country as the only factor in determing how fair US policy is, is more unbalanced than the policy of the US ever was.
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BTW I dont understand the fking gripe about US foreign policy. Come on, I mean we run the world for crying out loud, we dictate how siht should be done, look at egypt now opening up to multiparty system after 50yrs, similar winds of changes are occuring in other parts of the MEA as well. Ok first we supported the corrupt regimes and they complied now we are telling them to open up and they are. Foreign Policy at work. I dont think arabs should think, it's detremental to their health, they should just comply as they are now, have been in the past, and will do in the future, comply that is.
Moral of the story: You can b1tch all you want but you WILL listen to us. :)
Re: Students in American Universities should temper their views - Split from China thread
alrite people picking on specific posters: STOP. I intended to make this thread a general discussion about international students, and some posters are repeatedly singling out posters for criticism.
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Re: Students in American Universities should temper their views - Split from China thread
^^ this is an all out war, change the name of this thread to WWIII-Gupshup edition and ask your question in C&A or something. Seriously. It's an excellent thread based on the content but not the subject. Sticking to the content and what is going on in the world is interesting cause Ummah is bowing to US pressure. Amen.
Re: Students in American Universities should temper their views - Split from China thread
now that i've actually read this gem.. i retract my statement about this being a good thread. its mostly pathetic posts by very ill spirited posters.
i'll address the actual points made in these pages.
I'll specifically speak of research students because they're the principle benefactors for universities in america today. it is irrelevant that other people could replace Muslim students if they didnt come. The Muslim students that come today, contribute to the technical excellence of the university. yes they get paid for it, yes it covers their educaction, but that education has any worth because of the technological excellence of their school which these students contribute to.
american schools dont depend on Muslim students, Muslim students dont depend on american schools. what would happen if immigration laws were further regulated? increasing isolation, decreased influx of arab money to the US economy, increased reliance on european universities, overall lose-lose for both people. BUT that is not relevant to whether or not the student studying today labour under the millstone of american beneficience. you, who so advocate capitalism, globalization all that crap, should know better than assume that american actions would be so altruistic inspite of security risks.
furthermore, one policy during the communist days was to encourage chinese students to come to america to weaken the communist enmity of america. im not sure though, given the mean spiritedness displayed here, if that would work.
you act as if its a favour to be in your presence. get over yourselves.
freedom of speech is a double edged sword? you have a right to speak against how your tax dollars are spent? how disingenuous. what is freedom of speech about? ability to express a political/religious opinion without threat of physical/material harm. your saying that you'll deprive a student of his means of substinence, isnt that threatening material harm? yeah real freedom of speech if the other guy is free to threaten to shoot you. and on the basis of someone else posting crap on an online forum? thats blowback? you guys have the targeting capabilities of OBL.
oh and by the way, thank pakistanis for the terrorism/public safety breach detection system DARPA will have in place in a couple of years.
Re: Students in American Universities should temper their views - Split from China thread
^^ I dont think that we have targeting capabilites of OBL, OBL kills people we educate people so they can go back and address ills of their society. And now we are discussing Muslim students not Asian? cause thats a whole different ball game.
Re: Students in American Universities should temper their views - Split from China thread
If the immigration laws were tightened, it would mean that other people from around the world would be able to access American educational systems and arabs would go back to sniffing camels. Arabs or muslims who come to the US and have the above attitude of entitlement are jokers. Drive towards diversity, a wholly American concept, the likes of which you will never find in any muslim land, is a leading contributor to why arabs/muslims are selected to study here.
Now to arab money… Come back to me with the combined GDP of Arab countries, and I will tell you of 30 companies in America that are larger than that. It’s a losing proposition for the muslim world if they are not given the privilege to study in the US or other western establishments.
“but that education has any worth because of the technological excellence of their school which these students contribute to” <–what does this mean>?
No idea what you are saying about globalization and stuff..urdu mein likh ley yaar..
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Ok, I tried to stay on the sidelines and watch the show, but I cannot resist. So here it goes. OG, I repsect your opinions, but do tell me how the foreign students are not paying their way for school? When I came to US, back in 1991 as a student. My tution was $103 per credit hours. You know what the natives were paying? Yep, a whopping $27 per credit hour. I think more of the tax dollars go to subsidize locals tution and fee as compared to international students. By 1995 this rate stood at $197 per credit hour. You do the math, my friend. Am I thankful for the education that I recieved after shelling out my father's life savings. You bet I am.
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You still don’t get it do you? Such stubborn and close minded views are exactly the reason why immigrants are needed here in the first place.
Like ravage said, it’s a two way street with both parties perfectly happy with the arrangement. You think Muslims like Pakistanis are receiving a “blowback”. Well according to the US Ambassador to Pakistan, that isn’t the case.
PS. LOL at the letters OG, shove em. And I could care less what Crap State U does with its funds. You’ll be happy to know that my ride is nearing its end. Next stop, Pakistan. So start planning ahead of time what to do all those extra tax dollars now that I will be gone soon :hehe:
well i’m not sleepy yet 
come on, its not my fauly, most of the Chinese ppl I have known have been Christian 
so i thought china was a christian country by majority religion of population :halo:
I don’t believe ya 
when i feel like fighting with someone again 
