Re: Students in American Universities should temper their views - Split from China thread
^ hahah Dawn says Visa restrictions to end “shortly” 
skhan…we expect you to go back to Pak and leverage your education and turn the country around. :k:
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Inshallah 
And yeah, since you have connections in all those real high places, maybe you can tell us what the real deal is on those restrictions. I have cousins too you know.
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OG, you have inspired me with the blowback campaign. On this very day in the paper was an article by Senator Coleman-R from Minnesota espousing easing visa restrictions to encourage the enrollement of more foreign students.
His office will receive an e-mail with this thread and some of the choice comments of the certain gracious guests who seem to feel so entitled to this "mutually beneficial" relationship.
I hope his office will respond in the same way your wife's collegues have, or at least ammend the bill to have some provision in the final version it that says something to the effect of "every effort will be made to ensure that no buttholes will be admitted."
BTW Irem, it's never been about your youthful predisposition to be at odds with "U.S. foreign policy"-a monolithic absolute from which you cannot distill anything worthwhile.
It's always been about your attitude. The abysmal quality of your "guesthood".
And simple lack of any discernable respect for my country (I know you all think it's yours too) I have loads of close friends whose political views about the U.S. would be much closer to yours than mine, but most of them won't childishly side with "Friendly, Christian China" in this coming world war you so relish.
They're just nice folks.
Like me.
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“t’s always been about your attitude. The abysmal quality of your “guesthood”.
And simple lack of any discernable respect for my country (I know you all think it’s yours too) I have loads of close friends whose political views about the U.S. would be much closer to yours than mine, but most of them won’t childishly side with “Friendly, Christian China” in this coming world war you so relish.”
Ummm OhKayyyyy…! I see. You don’t even know me AT ALL and you jumped to ALL these conclusions? How smart 
Please define “respect”, and how exactly do you expect me to show respect to “your” country? 
And how can you say my “guesthood” was of “abysmal quality”
I’m totally lost, please help me out here…
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well…i was misinformed abt the facts but now i stand corrected..so why is that such a big deal
we don’t “blindly” support Palestine. we have our reasons. Palestinians are being oppressed. That much really is quite obvious. you just need to pick up the newspaper and see how many palestinians are being killed every single day.
omg..this is funny!
please Seminole…dont tell me u actually believe that?
Muslim countries are exporting terrorism? Who r the biggest terrorists in ur eyes. Osama? Saddam? Taliban? who created these entities?
and if you guys feel so strongly abt the oppressed, then what abt Kashmir? a glaring example right now of injustice
how come you guys only intervene and play role of “saviour” when your interests (such as gas pipelines routes) are involved
its not anything hidden that certain powers in the US always has been paranoid abt Muslims
and the hardcore Jewish lobby is also anti-Muslim
they consider “Muslims” to be their biggest threat
it is therefore that “religion” is an issue in US foreign policy. camouflaging that is of no use coz its the truth.
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israelis dont need to blow themselves up, they are killing with bullets and tanks 
israel IS suported blindinly. we hear so mcuh abt the nuclear program of iran. what abt the nuclear program of israel? israel can do whatever she wants but other countries dont have equal rights.
there have been many occasions where majority countries in the UNO wanted to pass anti-israel resolutions for its injustices but the US was the sole country that vetoed. what was that? not blind support for israel?
what has any Muslim country done for humanity? most Muslim countries tried to help the Tsunami victims recently.
lets take pak as an example.
Pakistan herself went out of the way, more than our “haiseeyat”. when the USA was bomving innocent civilians in Afghanistan, who was giving asylum to so many wartorn refugees? yes…pakistan!
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heres the thing in easier terms for you. whatever the reason you hold to be true, encouraging diversity, maintaining the technological base, financial benefit to the universities, international students, including Muslims arent brought into america for doing them any favours. it is in your benefit as well. it isnt altruistic. so get off your high horse. i dont rub my research papers in your face, you dont rub your research lab in mine.
we can argue from here to kingdom kong about who loses more, both lose. in addition, whether or not this happens in the future, those who are here and those who have left certainly dont have to stand this bluster.
you folks dont make regulations for anyone except your own country so leave ‘other western establishments’ out of it. europe and east asia are always options and with the xenophobia prevalent here (and increasing outsourcing of tech jobs to asia), they’re becoming increasingly attractive and consequently richer in diversity and intellect.
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^ The point dear ravage is that your paper wouldn’t be possible if it wasn’t for America. In fact, you wouldn’t be possible if it wasn’t for America. You owe America more than America owes you for a “research paper”..I personally think such “research papers” are a dime a dozen.
IS Kingdom Kong in Arabia?
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its the research lab's research paper just as much as it is mine. any competant lab's work is measured by the grants and the publications it generates. kheyr as lunatic previously stated, there is no payback for education, so I wont say it evens out.
but i reject the idea that i wouldnt be if it werent for this education. ye na hota to kuch aur hota.
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Because it indicates lack of VERY BASIC knowledge. It would be like me calling Japan a Muslim country and then posting on the pros and cons of the US dealing with them based on their religion.
The support is still blind because they can do no wrong. Palestinians are not blameless in all this.
And exactly when has a Muslim or any other country ever done anything that wasn’t in their interests? I’m not saying US policy is altruistic and not self centered. Of course it is.
As opposed to a Muslim country where EVERY facet of policy (including foreign relations) is DOMINATED by religion? Muslims choose to make religion an integral part of government and policy, so be prepared to be dealt with accordingly.
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First there are no quotes necessary around “your” country. I gathered that you have presumed it to be yours for whatever purpose you wished.
You would really need to fully grasp that fact to understand the rest. But hell, you went to Stanford right? Let’s have a go at the rest again.
To hammer the respect point home, let’s start with some examples of disrespect.
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Non-citizens publicly protesting host country on host country’s soil.
note: please do not construe this again to mean that you must be a
flag-waiving patriot. A “respectful” guest might take his/her
protest to a more appropriate place/time. You have the right,
but until you are a citizen, I would consider this “disrespectful”. -
This is kind of a biggie. Reflexively stating that you would “side with China
500%” in a global conflict over the society that opened its opportunity and
to a large extent its pocketbook to you. The ingracious disrespect reflected
in this statement is perhaps only exceeded by its patent ingorance.
Frankly, I do not see the point in discussing this further. That you don’t seem to regard it as “my” country in the first place is probably the most fundamental mark of your disrespect.
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The US will be as much Irem's or my country as Iraq is to you.
PS. ^ That was for the email to the Senator BTW.
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I’m paper and you’re glue…
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it's "I'm rubber you're glue"
Get the childhood taunts right.
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God, you’re right. I was writing it thinking this is weird sounding and not a very effective taunt. I hit the “submit” button anyway.
Chalk it up to my domestic education.
Thanks UTD, I shall PM you beforehand on all “childhood” related matters.
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Baby, baby…stick your head in gravy..
Holy cow! Now I’ve just quoted myself by accident. I am officially an idiot.
Now I think we need more foreign students. Sorry everybody.
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Kaleem, pick your college, or just any one as an example, and we will look at that schools finances. The tuition usually covers just a small fraction of the cost of running the university. It is not uncommon to have less than half of the true cost of educating a student paid for in tuition and fees. The remainder comes from grants, endowments etc. Use the Stanford example as I did above, and you will see that less than 19% of the operating expenses were paid by tuition. And of that 19%, many students paid with low cost student loans, or tax advantaged vehicles like 529 funds. There is far more that goes into a University than most kids know. They use tax free bonds to finance expansion, pay no state taxes if they are a no- for-profit corporation, many have huge endowments that pay no taxes, and gifts to universities are tax deductable. Most universities are built on land granted by the government, and virtually all pay no real estate taxes.
The government long ago created these rules, and the great universities were built because of this masssive and longstanding commitment.
If you take all of these advantages away, the University would either double the tuition or have massive cutbacks. This is not like buying a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Universities are heavily subsidized.