stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf

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You guys have made such a small thing into such a big mess.

All Dr Nasim Ashraf said that no one should be forced into religion. If one player doesnt want to pray, he shouldnt be forced. It the players choice, he knows whats right and whats wrong. If he doesnt pray its his own loss. Dr Nasim never said dont pray in public or dont say "bismillah" before an interview. Typical Pakistani thinking of taking things the wrong way

Like Some1 said, finally a sane person at the helm of the PCB. So far, everything he's done has been good.

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^ I've never heard Inzi or any other player force someone else to pray, perhaps you have?
Why make such statements? Seems like he's attention whore and wants players and public to listen to him. He needs to STFU.

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He said not to make it public, meaning don't do or say anything that will let anyone know your muslim. I do agree with the whole religion shudn't play a role in selection but the guy is saying something else, dont make it public and all they have been doing is saying Bismillah or Thanks to Allah and couple of them keeping beards, that is what the idiot doesn't like, he is secular and he does not like anybody saying anything having to do with religion cuz it is his team and his board. Mushi that secular idiot has to do with this i guarantee it.

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bhai sahib, last time I checked Pakistan was full of Muslims and name of the country is "Islamic Republic of Pakistan", so being religious and being public about it should be no man's business. As long as players' performance is not affected in the field it should be not a problem for anyone. None of players I have seen/heard so far has vouched to convert non-Muslim hosts when they go abroad, nor I hear them in interviews talking about how to pray or what Islam is about (HINT: Preaching). So whats the fuss about, why issue such statements?

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Aren't all team memebrs already enjoying their religious freedom ?

Can you prove this to me if any of their such rights were/being withdrawn ?
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The rights have not been withdrawn yet, but what we are seeing is that he wants to reign team from displaying religious acts in public... what acts have we seen so far? Taking of Allah's name by Inzi or may be other players when interviewed or making a sajda after achieving some milestone. Why is it such a problem for anyone? Its not as if the player halted the game entirely for few minutes so he could finish his religous act.

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Why is it such a big issue of Presid Musharaf 'appointing' Dr. Nasim as board chairman ,,,? who the heck do you think has been assigning these appointments before?
President of Pakistan has always been the Chief Patron of PCB since Pakistan's National constitution conception.
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No body seems to have questioned why Musharraf appointed, but "what-kinda-personality" he appointed is the question.

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Last but not the least, why each time such an issue or remarks are deliberatly
taken out of the context and then a national debate is triggered as if this world has no other matters to worry about than this stupid debate?
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bhai sahib, I asked you to teach us the context. What seems stupid to you is not so for others. British people are also suggesting that veil is a stupid thing.

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Why each time muslims have to desclose their insecurities when non are present to the praying global elements? What are they trying to prove ?
Our Prohpet Mohammad PBUH never indicated nor practiced such idiololgies that are going around in circles.
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Those who are displaying (consciuosly or subconsciously) are not the insecure one, rather those who want to hide it.

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So time for you religious junkies to grow up and learn more about Islam and its values while conducting your relationship with the rest of the Godly world.
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Actually its time for secular junkies to let the Muslims follow their religion and not impose their secular values upon Muslims.

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Listen their programme Audio ,Sairbeen,2nd in the list of their Programes,It,s a one hour Programme,
Inzi,s and Ashraf voices on this topic ,From minute 35:30 to 38:55.only available for 24 hours,

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Yaasir, I totally agree if you say moderation, but unfortunately Dr. Nasim, himself is not adopted moderation. Why he is so uncomfortable with players being practicing muslims? I totally agree with you that no one should be forced into religion rather our acts should convinced others to join the religion, but is he talking based on any facts? is there someone in team who is treating someone else badly only because he is not a good muslim? If this is the case then why not a PCB head simply kicked that person out of the team? Is there any power bigger than head of the PCB that is stoping him from kick such individuals out of the team? But if there is nothing like this, then why Dr. Nasim is making such statements in press. Why don't he fixed things that needs to be fixed?

I think every one agreed on the fact that PCB head doesn't need to act as a information minister, and should mind his business and leave the statements to the PCB press secratary. If he likes to address press so much then he should leave PCB chair post to some one else and ask Bush junior to appiont him as a press secretary of PCB.

I always thought Asif Iqbal is trying to find some ways to get into PCB, but looking at present scenario I will totally agree with Asif that to run PCB, we need someone who knows cricket, knows cricketers life and know management e.g. Imran Khan, Rameez Raja, Majid Khan, Javed Berki, Asif Iqbal, PCB doesn't need a career doctor, to perform surgeries or doesn't need a career diplomate to run diplomatic missions at the cost of game.

Bush jr. think everything could be run by Generals or Foreign settled professionals, which may not be true.

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When Geo's new channel was being launched, Wasim Akram hosted Inzimam in a show. He asked this specific question. Initially Inzimam said that he doesnt force people to pray in public but he admitted that when 10 other guys are offering prayers together than the eleventh guy willl do so automatically. Now thats a good thing. But what Inzimam must guard against are judgemental treatment towards that eleventh guy when he doesnt pray with the team. I have no problem with Inzimam saying Thank God and etc before every presentation. Even Waqar used to do that but he isnt that relgiously inclined.

Naseem Ashraf wanted to make a point; a valid one at that and he did so. But my advice to people who think that religious inclination paves way for selection; GROW UP!!

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Inzamam hits back :smiley:

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I will definitely agree with Inzi. Never understood our so called muslim brothers in west, who will drink and commit adultary if they have the opportunity but when it comes to pork products then they act like very strict muslims. Same is for prayers.

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so our bhola has a voice after all..
good response..
I hope Nasim doesn’t make it his little moonch ka jhaar..
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The chairman might didn't mean what we all are thinking. But he could be much more careful before saying anything controversial as he is so new to this job which belongs to a Muslim country. And he could just present his views in the close door meeting first rather than going public. so either he is stupid (sorry to say that) or just part of the overall deal that we are observing in Pakistan now-a-days.

The coach never had a problem with the team praying or following the religion. he has never mentioned it as an issue. He actually praised it a couple of times that team is more disciplined etc. From where the discipline comes from - regular pray. You know we have a lots of hadiths on it :) and ofcourse we can't deny it.

Someone gave an example of Aussies in an above post. Its just pathetic. So now we wanna follow what they do. And FYI: I've noticed that in US, sports and showbiz celebraties use the words like "Jesus Christ, Thanks God" etc in their discussions. So give it a break even if you wanna follow the western culture.

If Inzi says Bissmillah with every discussion, whats wrong with it. I see that we make more fun of it than non-muslims - pathetic, isn't it. Is it a shame to use these words?. I know I don't use it very often but I don't have any right to criticize it if some else is doing something nice. And if he asks other players to pray - whats wrong with that. isn't it a nice gesture that he prays and wants others to do something that should be a very imp part of our lives?. I'm sure he doesn't strictly force them. And our team never prays in front of the public anyways. Now if a cameraman is following them everywhere and taking pictures while they're praying then its not their fault - right. :)
Allah knows the best.

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And its not uncommon to see athletes crossing themselves. It all seems very cool, but when a muslim does sajda shukr, eyebrows get raised.

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^Terrorist signal to attack of course!

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Typical replies of confrontation without making any sense at all.
Almost gives the illusion of missing any supreme power of Allah and his messengers (Pbut) by the hands of these strong "religious" self xentred fanatic handful who might go an extra mile to prove their selfish point without bothering to mention their reference source of idiotic man made rules attributed to Islam.

Unknowingly I don't know how many thousend more will be misrouted from the true path of worshiping Allah and bow to his commandments, which were originaly very simple and to the point.

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:yawn:

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Extremely unclear and vague reply.

Kheir, Inzi replied back and its a good reply. Bottom line is "Dr." Ashraf needs to STFU. There was no pressure on any one, and publicly displaying acts of worship are not unlawful nor affecting anybody's performance. The whole point of Dr. Ashraf's comments was to make his thoku mushraff happy.

End of Story.

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another example of loser totally confused american pakistani..i mean these pakis forget who they r for some freaking dollars...huh...

tht is idiotic to think tht today we can force anyone to pray in event like cricket in pakistan...naseem ashraf should go back to west and earn some more amount...huh goro kay talwaay chaatnay wala typical western paki...

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Captain susti kyo faila rahe ho :yawn:

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Inzamam, Nasim explain their opinions over religion issue

By Khalid Hussain

KARACHI: It seems that a war of words has begun between two of the most influential men in Pakistan cricket.

In what appeared to be a thinly veiled response to the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Dr Nasim Ashraf’s homely over religious practice, Inzamam-ul-Haq told a web portal on Tuesday that he has never forced anyone in the national team to pray or grow a beard.

The regular Pakistan captain also said people who say that he (Inzamam) has been forcing players to become religious know nothing about Islam.

Inzamam, currently serving a four-match ODI ban over The Oval Test forfeiture, was quoted as saying in the interview that in Islam you cannot force anybody to pray or grow a beard, pointing out that currently there are just two bearded players other than him in the national team.

He was referring to all-rounder Shahid Afridi and Mohammad Yousuf, the prolific batsman who converted to Islam from Christianity last year.

Inzamam’s interview came after Nasim was quoted as saying in a TV interview that there should be a balance between religion and cricket. He also said Inzamam has been told that there should be no pressure on national team players to pray and their selection should not be linked to their religious practice.

The comments ignited yet another controversy and were assailed by several religious leaders.

It is feared that Inzamam’s reaction would add fuel to fire which is the reason why the PCB is now trying to do some damage control.

A PCB spokesman told this correspondent on Tuesday that Nasim was misinterpreted, as he never said anything against religious practice. “The chairman (Nasim) himself is a practising Muslim and even has a beard,” said the spokesman. “He believes that religious spirit is a binding factor in the team.”

According to the spokesman, the PCB chief just wants to make it clear that religion should be a personal matter for individual players and should not be allowed to become a criterion for selection in the national team.

In recent times, there has been a whispering campaign in national cricket circles that Inzamam is forcibly spreading a strict Islamic culture within the national team. It is also said that as Pakistan captain, he is closer to players who pray regularly with him.

Source: http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=29535

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as if you made a lot of sense with this post of yours!