Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
Not really.
Its not a rare to view players making cross after completing the 100 in cricket, or making a cross after scoring goal in soccer.
We have seen many Sikhs playing at competitive level with their religious turbans
We have seen and listen many players saying “thank God we were able to…”. Why saying “thank God” is ok but saying “Thank to Allah” is not ?
I can give you 100s of example If i dig it out. Now what Naseem Ashraf should really stress that there should be no TABLEEGH in the team and players should not FORCE others to pray with them. There should be no bar on praying in public or saying “Bismillah” or “Thanks to Allah”
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
Finally a right-thinking person at the helm of PCB.
F&B and Funguy hit the needle on the head.
Playing Cricket is a PROFESSION for the players and the playground is their WORK-PLACE and religion should not be allowed to be brought into the work-place.
The Indian Team today comprises of Hindu, Muslim, Sikh and Chrisitian players and it gives me immense pride that none of the players invoke their religion on the cricket field or when giving interviews in the context of the game. That does not make them any less religious than a Pak player who uses every single opportunity in Cricket to promote his God.
Decent6Chora, your analogies above are too flawed to even deserve a rebuttal.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
Pakistan won he 1992 WC under the most debauch but truely inspirational captain, Imran Khan. Then, players had degrees, were socially balanced, professionally successful and true Pak patriots. Now we have mediocrity as a rule, socially unbalanced individuals, matric just pass sorry excuse of professionals. Only qualification they can demonstrate is their religion. Pakistan team has always been muslim, never had the urge or the need to demonstrate in public, yet they were all professionals and Pakistanis.
I agree with what Umer Talib has posted, things are being blown out of proportion.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
calm down mian jee, if the story was not shared 2 weeks ago then how would it be discussed?
to bhai aap “un-twisted” words explain kar do
so we should stay on back-foot because there are extremist idiots around, the good religious people should go and take a cover somewhere and let those idiots spread the bad-name of Islam?
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
Pakistan won the world cup not because they were non-religious, degreed, balanced, partiots etc. They were bunch of good cricketers working with inspirational leader. Imran used to grab players by balls for ‘authority’, Inzamam is not doing that but still getting the results (to some extent). Inzamam’s leadership has been criticised and I am one of his critics but telling him to hide (by saying “balance” it) is just shame and shows the backfoot mentality prevailing. Let the good Muslim guys be shown in the media too if media wants to.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
Mushtaq Ahmed, Saqlain Mushtaq, Omer Qasim, Inzimam ul Haq, Afridi etc etc have all enjoyed a very colourful life, now that they have found religion or as they wud say ar the new born muslims suddenly everything is perfect? On the contrary, bigotry, cronyism and pettiness is on the rise.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
Typical backfoot mentality. Oh bhai jaan, name me a player who has ever voiced his concerns about religion as selection criteria or players being forced to follow religion? why out of blue Nasim who just stepped in office would say that? Naseem is the ceo but not God of the players. Players should be allow to practise religion freely and they are, if its a problem with someone then he need to learn it. Why does Imran Farhat keep getting selected? Why was Sami getting selected time over time? Why was Umar Gul selected? There is such big list of not-so-religious players getting selected after Inzamam grew his beard.
Naseem’s statement only affirms Musharraf’s aims i.e. secularisation of Pakistan in footsteps of that Turkish guy.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
What do you mean by perfect? There is no such thing as perfect, Inzamam is our top batsmen but his being religious doesn’t stop me from criticising his lack of leadership/captaincy skills. The reason of bigotry/cronyism/pettiness is not because players are religious but its because PCB happens to be one of Pakistani institution and is sort of reflection of our current society.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
We agree on most of the issues, why sud'nt Muslims also be able to demonstrate their faith, I have no issue with that. Iam stating the obvious which ppl tend to forget, that its professionals, talented players with good leadership who bring results, not just religion. Similarly, religious folks are also human, not perfect and have their weaknesses which sud not be brushed under the carpet in name of religion.
But what if this entire religious demonstration was another political statement? Would that be appropriate? Thats why cricketers sud be cricketers when they represent their team and not try to be something else. PCB pays them to play cricket, if they wish to be tablighees then they sud take a bicycle and hit the road jack.....just kiddin...
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
I agree, thats why you will find their criticism so freely, I don’t recall anyone saying to stop criticism of Inzamam or other ‘religious’ player because of them being religious and thats how it should be.
I don’t think Inzamam or any other cricketer has made any statement that would make others think of Inzamam as Imam (religious leader) for any reason. I don’t think any outside media every criticised Inzamam’s words “Bismillahir RahmanirRahim, Thanks to God…”, but unfortunately our own we-are-moderate-we-are-not-religious people want good religiuos people to put brakes.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
Yaar Captain,
Its getting late and I have to go for Eid Namaaz tom morning. Bhai meray, u have misunderstood what I have said, Iam not saying that. Its a case of comparative analysis ie what we have today compared to what we had 10yrs ago.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
Yes cricketers should be considered cricketers as long as they play cricket. It shouldn't be an issue if they grow a beard or have beer in their hand.
PCB pay them to play cricket, not to control their beliefs or religion. As long as their beliefs are not directly or indirectly affecting team's progress, no one should have any problem.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
1 - This is an old story that came out 2 weeks ago - Why sudden blood rush on this ??? Is it like niswar ka aser khatam hoa to baat samjh mai aye ?
2 - The exact wording are twisted in this ^ thread,,, aren't you all jumping the gun here for no reason ???
3 - If you realy are so concerned then might as well come out and fight the whole world,,because it is bad times for all muslims globaly with their backs against the wall. Thanks to extremist idiots where ever they exist.
4- If this thread opener is so concerned with this idiotic story then it should have been done in the religion forum to have proper discussion over it.
So You all ^ give it a rest and try to play down a situation rather than to play along with it,,, ,,, What is so hard to understand here ?
Shame on you all !
Mr. I think religion is being hurt more by idiots who tries to act secular. Rather than acting secular if you follow Islam with true spirit then you all can make good name for the religion.
You are only ashamed of you religion because you are a muslim by birth but may not have even 25% of your living according to true teaching of Islam. Islam is not just about prayers, Islam is a complete code of life. Any one who knows the true Islam either by reading or learning, they respect it, no matter who they are. All the propaganda against Islam and muslim is only because some secular idiots and some conservative idiots, who doesn't follow true codes of Islam and unfortunately don't know the real Islam, so making bad name to whole religion.
So please stop calling names to others, rather mend your acts. If you are so ashame of the religion then mind your own business. There are people like Woolmer, who is not even a muslim, and he appreciate the religious fever in the team and he is making arrangement for the players prayers, and we have some secular idiots on the forum as will as Dr. Nasim, who are pointing figers at the religious spirit of the players.
I repeated opposed selection of players like Mushi if this selection is purely based on his friendship and religious association with Inzi, but I wouldn't make public statements where I will be condemning/warning players against religious practices. This can be done in priavte, he is doing it only to please some one else and show his self as a secular idiot.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
to bhai aap "un-twisted" words explain kar do
so we should stay on back-foot because there are extremist idiots around, the good religious people should go and take a cover somewhere and let those idiots spread the bad-name of Islam?
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In legal terms can some one prove this to me ,, If PCB chief Dr. Nasim violated some one's human rights while taking his position on team's discipline issue ?
Aren't all team memebrs already enjoying their religious freedom ?
Can you prove this to me if any of their such rights were/being withdrawn ?
Why is it such a big issue of Presid Musharaf 'appointing' Dr. Nasim as board chairman ,,,? who the heck do you think has been assigning these appointments before? President of Pakistan has always been the Chief Patron of PCB since Pakistan's National constitution conception.
Last but not the least, why each time such an issue or remarks are deliberatly
taken out of the context and then a national debate is triggered as if this world has no other matters to worry about than this stupid debate?
Why each time muslims have to desclose their insecurities when non are present to the praying global elements? What are they trying to prove ?
Our Prohpet Mohammad PBUH never indicated nor practiced such idiololgies that are going around in circles.
Islam does not stops you from not thinking out side the box providing all the basic value and central theme is followed to the brim.
Dr. Nasim is clearly trying to segregate unnecessary religious elements in the foreground when the actual theme is meant for an International cricket event and ofcourse Pakistan Team being the National Ambassadors must carry them selves in a certain and acceptable way, and no one is least interested why some players have beards and why they should do what they do ( This by the way was never an issue nor it will be ever)
So time for you religious junkies to grow up and learn more about Islam and its values while conducting your relationship with the rest of the Godly world.
Us muslims are reasponsible for our faith and duties along with safeguarding the global cultral harmony by extending your examplary hospitality and respect as was taught by Phrophet Mohammad Peace and Allah's blessings be upon him who must be awestruck and in pain by seeing his umah in such distress and self inflicted wounds.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
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Mr. I think religion is being hurt more by idiots who tries to actsecular. Rather than acting secular if you follow Islam with true spirit then you all can make good name for the religion.
You are only ashamed of you religion because you are a muslim by birth but may not have even 25% of your living according to true teaching of Islam. Islam is not just about prayers, Islam is a complete code of life. Any one who knows the true Islam either by reading or learning, they respect it, no matter who they are. All the propaganda against Islam and muslim is only because some secular idiots and some conservative idiots, who doesn't follow true codes of Islam and unfortunately don't know the real Islam, so making bad name to whole religion.
So please stop calling names to others, rather mend your acts. If you are so ashame of the religion then mind your own business. There are people like Woolmer, who is not even a muslim, and he appreciate the religious fever in the team and he is making arrangement for the players prayers, and we have some secular idiots on the forum as will as Dr. Nasim, who are pointing figers at the religious spirit of the players.
I repeated opposed selection of players like Mushi if this selection is purely based on his friendship and religious association with Inzi, but I wouldn't make public statements where I will be condemning/warning players against religious practices. This can be done in priavte, he is doing it only to please some one else and show his self as a secular idiot./quote]
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For a minute close your eyes and think about secularism and think that there is** NO SUCH thing as 'secular' or 'ism',** its a man made word to sum up some of the idiologies behind basic human rights and not supressing/depleting or adding any religious values.
And if you insist in sticking to your view point then I must tell you that there's
NOTHING NEW in your objections as above. You might as well run voice tape recording Load-Play-Forget mode !
And of course your are no better then those extreme idiologist hypocrate who want to stop others while they continue with their own venom ^ in red above ,,,,,
*Mr Hypocrate ! *
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
Aren't all team memebrs already enjoying their religious freedom ?
Can you prove this to me if any of their such rights were/being withdrawn ?
It is their right that they be allowed to pray in the open. It is there right, that they practice 'Enjoining good and Forbidding Evil'; and these are obligatory acts that have been placed upon Muslims by Allah, and no one, especially not a fellow muslim, has any right whatsoever to object to them.
We are muslims, before anything else. You may dislike that notion, but we couldn't care less.
