Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
FG, if he does not feel comfartable, may be he should seek employment at YMCA. Last I checked, Pakistan was still an Islamic state... and guess what Namaz/salah/prayer is Farz on all muslims... so check your pie hole in the holy month of Ramazan before asking for a quarter which will not be given in this case.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
This theory of Islamic statehood surfaced in the 70s about 20 years after Jinnah's death. The Quaid never intended it to be a Islamic State but rather a place where people could practice their religions without fear. The focus is on 'religions'
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
Those so called seculars and living or working in US., I have seen and worked both in EU and US., and I know most of the educated people respect your faith no matter what faith do you practice. I have jew, christians, hindu and people who doesnt believe in God as friends, but every one is cool with me, not drinking and practicing Islam.
In our circles we do enjoy productive and constructive discussion of religions and the more we talk the more we understand each others view and the more we respect each others. Unfortunately, i have seen many so called secular desi's, who will only drink because they think they can integrate into society. Unfortunately, every educated person knew these people are acting fake and hiding their real, and I don't think any one really respect them for being secular in a fake way.
Islam teaches you moderation, honesty, truthfulness, cleaniness, and puctuality, just to mention few things. Unfortunately, if you try to act secular, and drink, and still call yourself a follower of Islam, I think you are violating all the conditions of a true followers, e.g. dishonesty since you hide your reality. So you are making a bad name for muslim.
I knew many muslims, who will drink since it make them look secular but will not eat any product made up of pork, because it is haram. Do you guys think alcohol and adultary is halal? then why double standard?
So let the religion alone, play sports as a sportsman, and let every one have the freedom of religion and allow them whatever faith they want to follow. If you want apply a policy free of religious discrimination then apply it, and if any player violate it reprimind him, and DONOT score points by issuing statements to please your targetted audience at the cost of a good religion.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
Sunday, October 22, 2006
Pakistan’s cricket players offer prayers after attending a practice session at a cricket stadium on Saturday. Reuters**
they r afraid kaneria might accept Islam too…
and then pakistan will be labelled as an intolerant extremist country…
which is bad for musharraf’s dictatorship…
it was an unnecessary comment from the ceo…
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
all this work environment thing is pure bs…
ppl respect u if u r firm on ur religion and regular on the prayers…
once, in the schooldays, me and a couple of other students had to go to an inter-school meeting at an american school…
it soon was time for maghreb prayer and i told our teacher that we need to excuse ourselves for the prayer, but he was the typical desi approach “it doesnt look good, we’ll pray qazaa”, but when i insisted, he went up to the session chairman, and that american guy got up and made a pleasant announecement “some of our muslim brothers would like to go to offer their regular prayers, so we’ll have a short stop for them” and then everyone stood up for us as we left for prayer…
ppl respect religion (except for some retards here and there) but we think of religion as something to be ashamed about…
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
I don't want to prejudge Ashraf and I think all he's asking for is a balance between religion and cricket.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
i think b4 this england series pak has done well, and if the coach has never complained about it and he was the 1 who conducts practice sessions etc. why is the chairman taking sht, just shows the mentality of administration in Pakistan, people who have no authority on certain subjects still care to muddle in, i.e army in politics!
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
I think the comment didn’t need to be made in public… why the hell can’t the board and the players act a little more subtle.
In any case, I’m taking this not as seriously as some of the other people here.
I’m reading this as more of a PR stint to showcase that:
i) the board is in fact not being solely run at the whim of some external influences, be it the team captain or anyone else.
ii) Contrary to popular belief, the selection does not and will not be determined by one’s religious proclivities.
That’s about it… there’s no explicit directives on do’s and don’ts… I don’t find anything wrong with praying in public or saying Bismillah at the start of an interview. These are personal choices and need to be respected.
However, if somebody constantly mixes religious affinities to attract and reject talent, then that’s where things get messy. The players should not for example formally endorse or condemn religion by way of mixing profession with it.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
No he never did he only liked to run on the name of Islam so he can be the leader right? He did not ask for a seperate state for Muslims, did he? and yes, the emphasis is on Muslims.
FG, there is nothing wrong with the cricket players being religious...nothing at all and there is nothingwrong with them advocating for Islam. If you did not know, one of the rights of Quran on every muslim is to spread the word of Allah i.e Quarn.... Salah/prayer happens to be a part of it.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
^ If you cannot keep your cool then SHUT-UP all of you. It seems ^ u all are more hurt of such stories coming out than any one else on this planet earth.
1 - This is an old story that came out 2 weeks ago - Why sudden blood rush on this ??? Is it like niswar ka aser khatam hoa to baat samjh mai aye ?
2 - The exact wording are twisted in this ^ thread,,, aren't you all jumping the gun here for no reason ???
3 - If you realy are so concerned then might as well come out and fight the whole world,,because it is bad times for all muslims globaly with their backs against the wall. Thanks to extremist idiots where ever they exist.
4- If this thread opener is so concerned with this idiotic story then it should have been done in the religion forum to have proper discussion over it.
So You all ^ give it a rest and try to play down a situation rather than to play along with it,,, ,,, What is so hard to understand here ?
Shame on you all !
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
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Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
What is the issue over here? The team is more united than before, more disciplined, there is less of late night partying and drinking on tours.
Balance between religion and cricket? What's that even supposed to mean? They are two totally different tasks, and more of religion does not make a person any less a cricketer.
If the team wants to pray outside in the open, they should not only be allowed to do so...but their efforts need to be applauded. Praying in a congregation outside in the open, is part of Islam...and it displays a sense of unity and discipline, something that is very essential.
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he told Inzamam that Islam does not allow the imposition of views on others.
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He seems to be one of those who were more upset than christians were, when Yousuf embraced Islam.
Enjoining good and forbidding evil is from the obligatory acts of the deen. May be Ashraf should keep his 2 cents of moderated islamic belief to himself.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
It resulted in him being publicly disowned by his mother, but he has been in prolific form for Pakistan since then. "I had money and fame but I was restless," he explained. "At the end of the day I would wonder what kind of a life this was. It was too superficial." Ashraf said he accepted religious faith was a motivating factor for the national team. "It binds them together - but there should be balance between religion and cricket," he added. BBC
CuteSponge, kindly put a source of this article, that is a link.
First of all I don't agree with Naseem's statement about telling people what they need to do and what they do not need to do when it comes to religion.
Religion, faith, Iman are something totally personal and that is why I have always been a firm beliver that as long as our players are performing, it doesn't really matter if they are practicing their religous beliefs openly or if they are partying around publicly.
I have no problem if a player is making centures and than doing sajda in front of the world. At the same time I am perfectly ok with someone drinking, hanging around with friends and than getting man of the match in the next game.
Secondly the article talks about a general perception that cricket team will comprise of players who are good practicing muslims. I admit that it is something which has been discussed on this fourm, in media and news lately. But it doesn't neccasarily means that if something is widely discussed than it has to be true. There could always be serious misconceptions among public and If Naseem as PCB chairman is doing something to clear things infront of the world by asking Inzaman, than there is nothing wrong in it. The basic idea is to tell every one that picking up only those players in the team who are devout muslims is not true.
Thirdly no personal attacks in this thread. Try to discuss it in a civilized manner.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
Just the Musharraf appointed new PCB chairman Dr Naseem laying down his anti religious and secualrist agenda... - whats next they gona stop Inzi saying Bismillah before an interview. If anything their strong public announcement of their faith was refreshing and the right thing to do as they are seen as rolemodels by millions of young Pakistanis around the world... it has also brought the team together over the last couple of years it was their deen. Or would the board prefer the days when the team was full of alcohol drinking, marijuana smoking and womanising bufoons.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
here is the report …bbc ..
seems like BBC also putting a bit of spice on the issue…
but as I posted before..I did not read this as any thing but Nasim saying the team’s climate should be inclusive…
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
Care to name who these players were and did they tell you that they smoked marijuana and womanised. 
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
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There should be no perception among players that if they don't pray they will not be in the team
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isnt it the selectors who chose the team? They travel around with the team...so its not really all up to inzi and his crew to pick who'll play.
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
/\ /\ /\ Excellent point in fact i heard the coach is a non muslim. People should not jump to conclusions and make anti islamic comments, if the players want to pray then let them. I guess for making this comment i am seen as a "mullah" in various peoples minds...
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
The english football team has added a cross on thier shirt to add a crusade feel to the match in which many unarmed muslims and non muslims where killed. Thats harmless fun though for some, just the sight of a muslim praying one of thier daily prescribed prayers is just too horrific for some!!!
Re: stop exhibiting religious beliefs in public. Dr Nasim Ashraf
oh ok so you mean we better not have religious holidays like Christmas ? or better have public holidays on EID and DEWALI?
After all I feel it really unfair when Christians gets a day off on Christmas and i have to use my vacation for my EID day.
You have to understand a basic difference b/w Islam and other religions. Other religions are limited to a person himself while Islam is a way to spend life. Its a complete guideline for EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of life and you can not separate Islam from everyday life while Christians have separated it and limited it to Sunday church appearances.