Re: Status of woman in Hindu religion
^ I think you should not even consider it "Humane" it is inhumane and derogatory towards women, degrading them to the lowest level, right? I think you need a religion as hinduism is not a religion, right.
One question, Do you think these are the words of god or have some sort of divine inspiration?
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Not at all. But please do not offer me Islam! I know what is that.
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^ Okay, so you admit you don't think "At all" these are divinely inspired things.
Okay, if something were to be inspired from God (the ONE God), in your understanding what should it be like?
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What do you mean by ‘one God’ or inspired by God? Do you want to discuss the God theory?
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^ I mean one God according to the following
"All Praise are to Him alone"
Rig Veda, Vol.8,1:1
"There is only One God, worship Him."
Rig Veda, Vol.6,45:16
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Do you want my confirmation on the theory of ‘One God’?
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^ I simply asked a question and told you the ONE God according to Hindu scripture. Isn’t it what you asked me?
Now please comment on the following question
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Both Ramayan and Mahabharat are supposed to show the triumph of good over evil. Many cases show Gods & Devas commit errors and suffer the consequences. And Asuras commit good deeds too and get rewarded. In this respect, the definition of God is very different between Hindu and Islam (where Allah is regarded as the ultimate law subject to nothing, including cause effect). Because of this difference, it is not easy to compare the two religions when it comes to actions of Gods.
Secondly, both epics deal mostly with royalty and while one can learn some morality and philosophic aspects, they cannot be considered a complete historical accounts or even description of the society then. In fact I am not even sure if the concept of Hindu existed then. For example can we take the history of the Nehru family, the Bhutto family and the Birendra family and call them representative of desis as a whole?
And here is the ultimate of ironies - Hindu literature (scripts?) seem to suggest 'oneness' as well as 'multiplicity' of Gods at once. Further Gods seem ultimate at times but become susceptible to some law (cause - effect) at other....except at anothet time, the law seems subservient to a God. Thus while the Islam definition of God is that of the ultimate who is subject to nothing, Hindu definition is an unending recursion of Gods and laws. The irony is that such 'unending' attribute by itself seem to prove the nature of God!
Thus we find that, even though the two definitions (one from Islam and one from Hindu) seem opposite (oneness vs multiplicity or ultimate vs subjectivit etc), the conclusion they lead to is the same infinity. May be it's all upto how much we as a person can reach, understand, assimilate and comprehend
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I could only hope you knew Islam.
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With due respect sir,
It is not only the acts of gods, there are other matters where the two cannot be compared.
Besides, why God did not make any mistake while making this whole universe? Why this universe is so immaculate and these demi gods are acting like humans and making mistakes in a humanly behavior?
It is a fact very hard to understand, almost incomprehensible…
Again with due respect,
I don’t think you are comparing in a correct manner.
gods cannot be compared to ordinary humans, like Nehru, Bhutto etc in any sense. gods are supposed to be acting and reacting in a completly different way.
Has god ever said himself like this. What is our authority to imagine God as an omnipotent and at the same time, six legged, eight headed, a rat, a dog, a sex organ etc?
I think it is not irony, it is a big insult to God to be viewed in such derogatory manners…
Let me ask you one thing.
Can we call a dear, a cow
Can we call a male, a female
Can we call a donkey, a horse?
Can you enlighten us how assuming a dear as cow can change the reality that the dear is a dear?
How can god be ONE and MULTIPLE at the same time??? Totally incomprehensible and outrageous
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I must say lahore you made lots of points. Anjjan had good spirit as well.
Its about the 'status of women in hindusim' and I learned a lot from this thread.
In my humble opinion, if hindus really know their religion (read their own scripture etc.) majority will question many things and will perhaps look for other theories. It seems very unusual that hindu religious people do not encourage 'hindus' to learn about their religion.......lest they may lose people and their controlling power over people.
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Yes, I know Islam.
Wrong conclusion! You must know that there is nothing like ‘learning’ in Hindu religion. It more or less stresses on ‘Studying’ a religion.
I hope you understand the difference.
In Hindu religion (if we can call it a religion) there are no such accepted norms….as ‘do this or do that’ to become a Hindu.
A Hindu born atheist also remains a Hindu.
The religious text books….. ‘These are all narrations by sages, teachers and sometime by criminals’ which have no bindings on daily life.
First of all we have no time to read all this stuff. And if we had a Madrisa type of system for minors……Sorry, I prefer an open thinking!
Do you understand what I mean?
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Nice post! Thanks!
All religions have some or other moral norms. I do not argue.
What is the impact of a religion in our daily lives? Why is it so that we (Hindus and Muslims) have degraded our women in all aspects of life, whereas the West has accepted the ‘norms’ of equality and respect for women?
Can we say that we respect our women? Not in words but in deeds?
Is not our religion a disturbing force?
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Muslims living in India and Pakistan have inherited this as a cultural trait from Hindu society. These are the affects of living among Hindus for sooooooolong that they have not been washed off since the last 58 years of Independence. This is the dirt of Hindu society we have on our personalities…
What you see as “equality” is not equality in itself. It is exploitation by instilling ignorance in the minds of people…
Who do you mean by “we” ??? and “Our” ???
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good thread.
check out these hindu women getting beaten by religious hindu men
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^ humm.....sarcasm.
^And you thought it was islam you would make fun of???
Just because someone says I am doing wrong deed inthe name of religion, does that make religion bad? Did you not hear and see those who condemn and acted against these similar people openly in all muslim societies?
Nice try sherlock!
Thats the difference in reading and learning religion rather looking up to people who do things in the name of religion.
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It is hard to understand and I will not claim to understand all that fully either. But several responses come to mind. Here are some:
Why not?
Changes. For eg: what’s perfection changes with time / place / circumstance
As humans we see what can see. We comprehend only what we can comprehend. And we are ready to admit (most of us are) that we are not perfect and so we ourselevs aren’t God. That being the case why would you not provide for imperfection in what we perceive of God or as Gods?
In other words, for you, reality is what you perceive of anything - NOT what that thing in reality (sans you) may be or even what it might be for someone else.
The Pandavs were not Gods. They were the royalty of that period. That’s why I used the ruling clans of India, Pakistan and Nepal of recent times to draw a parallel. You cannot take the saga of a royal family and assume the same of the entire population or society in general.
What’s you point here? If God is omnipotent, why wouldn’t he be capable of being any form, any species, any sex? And remember being called a rat is an insult only if you are mere human…
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names are token we as humans designate and use to aid in communications. remember ‘rose by any name…’. Do you know what the percentage of commonailty in dna between human and the species you mention? If we apply commonly acceptable statistical round-off rules…think what will happen!
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You and I will disagree on this regardless of any amount arguements on this (I think). Because the way you’re brought up, Allah is the only God, supreme and perfect; the way I was brought up , different aspects of virtues are represented by different forms with different names over different times. The one big common sustainable factor in both ways is that both require:
So how can I acept Oneness and multiplicity at the same time? easy. If God is omnipotent (which I think you agree) then God is capable of ANYTHING. Anything including being able to be one, many, here, there, everywhere, then, now, forever! In other words don’t you think we ought not limit God to only what you and I are limited to in our perception?
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do men demand dowry in pakistan or you do according to islam?
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As per one of the interpretations, dowry is allowed. i dont remember the name of school of thought.
Islam in pakistan is strongly influenced by their hindu neighbours, so your question is invalid.
Do you have any other question on jihad. its fully implemented in palkistan.
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islam allows men to pay dowry which is not bad the other way is bad.
thats whay i am asking who pay dowry women or men in pakistan/
also what is the law regarding property inhertance of women?
