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Honestly, I could be confusing the names Yazid and Muawiyah, but the Islamic school teacher definitely did not give a positive light to Muawiyah's character.
You guys are totally useless for providing good references. I'll search the library on my own this summer.
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Sorry, armughal but Muaweyah did curse Ali and killed many people for refusing to do so. Not only that, but not one authentic hadith exists in praise of muaweyah.
By the way where is Muawiyah's grave? I heard that it's in Syria and many people use the grave site as place as a toilet.
On this topic the comments of the renowned Egyptian Sunni scholar Sayyid Qutb are worthy of note:
"The erroneous fable still persists that Mu'awiya was a scribe who wrote down the revelations of Allah's Messenger. The truth is that when Abu Sufyan embraced Islam, he besought the Prophet to give Muaweyah some measure of position in the eyes of the Arabs; thus he would be compensated of being slow to embrace Islam and of being one of those who had no precedence in the new religion. So the Prophet used Muaweyah for writing letters and contracts and agreements. But none of the companions ever said that he wrote down any of the Prophet's revelations, as was asserted by Muaweyah's partisans after he had assumed the throne. But this is what happens in all such cases".
Social Justice in Islam by Sayyid Qutb, English translation by John B. Hardie, page 215.
Ibn Hajar Asqalani in his commentary of Sahih al Bukhari "Fathul Bari" states:
"Muaweyah issued an order to curse Hadhrath 'Ali. Upon hearing this Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas said "Even if you place a sword over my head and demand that I curse 'Ali, I will refuse to do so".
Sunni reference: Fathul Bari Volume 7 page 74, Bab Manaqib 'Ali
In Sahih Muslim we read,
"Muaweyah the son of Abu Sufyan, gave order to Sa'd, and told him: "What prevents you that you are refraining from cursing Abu Turab (nickname of Ali)?" Sa'd replied: "Don't you remember that the Prophet said three things about (the virtue of) Ali? So I will never curse Ali."
Sunni reference: Sahih Muslim - Chapter of Virtues of Companions, Section of Virtues of Ali - Tradition #5916
Mohibuddin al Tabari in his classical book of hadith Riyad ul Nadira states that, "Muaweyah ordered Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas to curse 'Abu Turab"
Sunni reference: Riyad ul Nadira Volume 3 page 194.
In Sunan Ibn Majah we read,
"On his way to Hajj, Sad met Muaweyah and his companions mentioned 'Ali upon which Muaweyah showed disrespect towards Ali, Sad got angry and asked 'why do you say such things?'"
In the Arabic text the words used by Muaweyah are "fanala minho" and the editor Muhammad Faula Abdul Bakee states in the footnotes that these words mean that Muaweyah cursed and disparaged 'Ali.
Sunni reference: Sunan Ibn Majah page 12 Dhikr 'Ali
Ibn Kathir in his "Al Bidayah al Nihayah" records that:
"Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas said to Muaweyah you have sat me next to you on your throne and begun to curse Hadhrath 'Ali"
Sunni Reference: Al Bidayah al Nihayah - page 341 Volume 7 - Chapter "The virtues of 'Ali"
Syrian Sunni scholar Abu Zahra in his Tarikh ul Islam states:
"When Muaweyah was proceeding to Hajj he saw Sad, grabbed him by the hand and sat him next to his pulpit. Thereafter he proceeded to curse Ali, Sad got angry stating you have sat me next to you and began to indulge in the awful act!"
Sunni reference: Tarikh ul Islam by Abu Zahra Volume 1 page 38
Another Sunni scholar, Ibn Manzur, clarifies this matter beautifully attacking Muaweyah's advocate Nawawi in the process. In his Lisan al Arab, he writes,
"It is proven from Sahih Muslim that Muaweyah would curse Hadhrath 'Ali. Nawawi in his Sharh Muslim displays dishonesty in his defence of Muaweyah. An Ahl'ul Sunnah scholar took notice of this, basing his comments on Sahih Muslim, we plead justice accordingly."
In Tashdheed al Mathan Volume 2 page 405, we read that Sunni scholar Wajideen Umar bin Abdul Muhsin in his famous work "Hilyatul Azhar Sharra Mushraak ul Anwar wrote,
"When the people of knowledge saw that Muaweyah's language contravened the dictates of norms, they sought to justify his actions and this is wrong, for it is clear that Muaweyah wanted Sad to curse Ali, and Sad objected. Muaweyah asked what prevented him from cursing Abu Turab, to which Sad replied citing three traditions as his reasons"
Sunni scholar Allama Sibt Ibn Jauzi al Hanafi in His Tadhkiratul Khawass states:
"Muaweyah ordered the people and Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas to curse 'Ali, this angered Sa'd and fearing Allah (swt) he refused to do so, not caring what anyone else thought".
Hazrat Hajr bin Adi (RA) was murdered along with other companions of the Prophet (p) for refusing to curse Hazrat Ali (AS)
Maulana Sayyid Abul A'la Maudoodi in his book "Khilafat wa Mulukiyyat" cites several classical sources providing the reason behind the murder of Hajr bin Adi. Under chapter 4 "The elimination of freedom of speech", he states:
*"Hajr bin Adi was a pious companion of the Prophet (saws) and played a vital role in the correction of the Ummah. During Muaweyah's reign when the custom of cursing Ali from the pulpit's of Mosques began, hearts of the Muslims were being bled dry but people bit their tongues fearing death. In Kufa Hajr bin Adi could not remain silent and he began to praise Ali (ra) and condemn Muaweyah. Until Mughira remained the Governor of Kufa, he adopted a lenient attitude towards this, but when Ziyad's Governorship of Basra was extended to include Kufa, serious altercations arose. He would curse Ali (ra) during the khutba and Hajr would refute him. *
On one occasion he (Hajr) warned Ziyad for being late for Jumma prayers. Ziyad then arrested him along with twelve of his companions on false accusations of forming an opposition group to overthrow the Khalifa and was cursing the Khalifa. He also gathered witnesses to testify against them alleging that they claimed that khilafath was the exclusive right of the lineage of Ali ibne Abi Talib and further accused them of creating an uproar, throwing out the commander and of supportingAbu Turab Ali, of sending blessings upon him and hating his enemies. From amongst these witnesses, Qadi Shudhri's testimony was used. He later wrote to Muaweyah that the blood and property of people who said they offered Salat, paid zakat, and performed Hajj and Umrah, preached right and declared that evil was haram, however if you want to kill them so be it, otherwise forgive them.
The accused were sent to Muaweyah and he sentenced them to death. A condition was placed that if they cursed Ali (ra) and showed their hatred to him they would be pardoned. They refused and Hajr saidI will not say that thing that will displease Allah'.
Finally he and his seven companions were murdered. From amongst them Abdur Rahman bin Hassan was sent back to return with a written instruction that he be murdered in the worst possible manner, Ziyad buried him alive."
Sunni references :
Tarikh al Tabari, Volume 4 page 190 - 208
al Istiab by Ibn `Abdul Barr Vol I page 135
Tarikh by Ibn Athir Volume 3 page 234 - 242
al Bidayah al Nihaya by Ibn Kathir, Volume 8 page 50 -55
Ibn Khaldoon Volume 3 page 13
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Ok
Ladies and Gentlemen !
As you have very smarty ignored the topic on hand and started your own deeply historical fact finding mission, you have your chance to do so… here :k:
Also if you get bored of this interesting activity shortly,then please start using personal insults and cursing so that this thread may reach its final resting place. 
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Thanks Code-Red.
So, then I understood correctly. From what I remember, Muawiyah is accused of fabricating hadith's - I guess the two-sisters hadith backs that claim up. The hadith collectors had a method in which if the person that had the hadith was dishonest in any way, then that hadith was discarded since if a person tells one lie, you can't be sure they're not telling another. (logical fallacy at any rate, since almost everyone fibs at some point).
Khair, I dont see how Muawiyah could be trusted when narrarating hadith. Especially when you see one that clearly contradicts the Quran.
Seems like a shady guy. But its usually the shady guys that are big on the whole "conquer and take-over" approach, anyway.
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huh!? say what? In the “two-sisters hadith” he gave his own judgement- as did Ibn Abbas in a similar report - which for argument’s sake we can agree was an incorrect ruling on his part (heck, everyone makes mistakes!)… now how does that report back up your claim that he fabricated hadith?? In that report, which hadith do you see him fabricating?
… all of this and it hasn’t even been established by anyone here that the “two-sisters” report (which, remember, was incorrectly cited in the first place) is authentic back to Muawiyya… and yet somehow for you this is evidence that he was a hadith fabricator! (scratches his head)
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There is one rule Muslims must know and understand
*If there is a clear command in holy quran regarding some issue, then any saying/quotaion/hadith contradicting to that command must be ignored *
So according to this rule, the prohibition of marrying two sister at a time is present in Quran, so the first post is rubbish.
The can be two reason why someone want to share this rubbish, while fully knowing the commands in quran
i) either he is stupid
Or
ii) he wants to create a fitna just out of nothing
in any case masterofall240 be careful, either post somthing worthwhile, or if you have passion for cursing dead people, *Then you are at wrong place. *
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Code-Red, you are a moderator. This place is for debates and discussion. You can't close it down because someone is putting forth their opinion and reasons. He hasn't attacked a guppy, so leave it be. If you disagree, argue with him. No need to start bannings or closing threads for no reason. Really, consult with the other mods of the forum before issuing such dictates. Unless if the rules of GS have changed.
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since u r a copy/paste believer, i dont know how much u wud appreciate my reply…
but the fact is that there r ahadith referring to Muaweyah bin Sufyan (ra)…
if u have actually ever read saheeh bukhari and if u can actually get access to an authentic copy of it, not an online twisted version, then got to “kitaab al-manaqib” in saheeh bukhari and read about Muaweyah (ra) under the section dedicated to him…
P.S. regardless of what u think, muslims (the majority of them) regard saheeh bukhari as very very authentic…
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i don't curse dead people. historical facts curse dead people like muawiyah and hitler.
and furthermore if muaweyah was so great then why do syrians use his gravesite as a toilet? if you don't believe me go to damascus and ask for yourself.
armughal your ignorance entertains me.
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master the only thing achieved from insults is a thread lock. if you have a point to make do so in a way that it doesnt get removed.
armughal, have you actually gone through the references posted by masterofall? I can see four books held to be very reputable by sunnis, ibn majah, sahih muslim, tabari and al bidaya. im not sure about the others, I am about these four. how can you dismiss those?
also, are you telling me the online version of the bukhari hosted by USC MSU is unreliable? in what way?
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bhai meray, bukhari is considered more authentic than any other hadith book....
have u read what it says about Muaweyah (ra)????
and also, just for ur information, tabari is not considered authentic by scholars....
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fine, then theres three authentic books, ibn majah, muslim and al bidaya. and i just browsed through the book on the merits of the companions, while theres around 4 that mention him, theres nothing really meritorious about them, except one where someone objects to how he prays and another person says leave him be hes a sahabi, another where muaweyah quotes a hadith from the Prophet that the leader should be from the Qureysh, and a third where he objects to people wearing wigs.
are there more? i couldnt find any..
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Please read the forum rules here
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=172549
And as responsible and educated person, edit your post if some of them are not adhering to to set rules :flower1:
And PCG please read them. Rules are not changed. But people find it hard to follow(or even read) them.
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that another person u mentioned was Adullah bin Abbas (ra), the cousin of the Prophet (saw)…
someone objects to the way he prays, and he is stopped from objecting on Muaweyah (ra) cuz he is a sahabi…
the cousin of the Prophet (saw) wud not allow someone to object on the way Muaweyah (ra) prays, but the ppl who claim to love the family of the Prophet (saw) find it appealing to curse him…
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theres a whole bunch of faulty logic here. firstly Abdullah bin Abbas (ra) was wrong in supposing that Muaweyah couldnt have made a mistake in his prayers. Even if he was a sahabi he was fallible, and when sahabis could have killed thousands of people in wars against each other, theres a pretty good chance they could have made other mistakes.
Now, based on one faulty presumption of perfect conduct, how can you deny the multiple ahadith of the same event in multiple books each of which is considered reliable by sunnis, just because one sahabi thought his questionable prayer was right purely on the basis of sahabiyat?
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so one sahabi talkingin support fo Muaweyah (ra) is worthless but any tom, dick and harry can come up and say what he wants against hmi and u wish to use that as proof????
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tom dick and harry? these are (for sunnis) authentic, reliable, sahih, narratives we are talking about armughal. im not saying take master's word for it, look at the sahih muslim references, the ibn majah references.
the sahabi didnt lend support to muawiyah in anything except questionably dismissing allegations about incorrect namaz rakaats. to extend that to saying he never did any of the other stuff is just stretching the sahabi's words a wee too much.
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The fact still remains that Muawiyah hated Ali. No matter how to try to dissect the issue, Muawiyah held a grudge against Ali and as Muslims we need to pick a side. Either Ali or Muawiyah, you cannot have it both ways.
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No doubt, Bukahri is considered to be most authentic among the sunnis. But I dont understand your own sunni Scholers for going against Bukhari. Any how thats another topic.
It is proven by the sunni authentic texts that there is “No Sahih” hadith in the prais of Muawiah.
To save the time I am just copying and pasting the part of an article on the life of Muawiah.
The Whole Article (<-- Link)
BTW, heres a hadith from “Very Very Authentic And Sahih Book”:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
While Allah’s Apostle was carrying stones (along) with the people of Mecca for (the building of) the Ka’ba wearing an Izar (waist-sheet cover), his uncle Al-'Abbas said to him, “O my nephew! (It would be better) if you take off your Izar and put it over your shoulders underneath the stones.” So he took off his Izar and put it over his shoulders, but he fell unconscious and since then he had never been seen naked.
Hadith 1:360 (<-- Link)
I see, you have denied the hadith about Musa (as) beinng naked in another thread. How about this hadith about the Sardar Ul Ambia (saww) from “The Authentic Bukhari”?
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Ok so what is your point? You want to curse Muwiyah..go ahead,knock yourself out. Do not issue statemenst such as “This sheer statement of ignorance and stupidity, is in my opinion, one of the main causes of the backwardness of Muslims”. There have been many great scholars who have done a lot more research than you and I. They do not agree with your point of view, now, who looks like stupid?
Lets assume what you say is true…How do you propose we go from here? How should we revise our history to reflect the alleged truth?