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actually a more un-biased research of history suggests that Yazeed never wanted Hadhrat Imam Hussain:razi: to be martyred. It was his commander-in-cheif, Ibn-e-Ziyad who was responsible for all this.
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please cite these unbiased sources. dont give me a link to a website, quote specific sources.
by and large, the consensus of Muslims in most published literature is that yazeed ordered the killing of imam hussain and imprisoned the family of imam hussain for years in Damascus (whereas ibn ziyad was based in Kufa). There is irrefutable evidence of the latter, the grave of Imam Hussain’s daughter is in their dungeon in Damascus. Please explain why the family of Imam Hussain was imprisoned for years in Yazid’s town if this was all one big misunderstanding.
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Is Ali's death also tied to Yazid?
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Man this stuff is dark. Anyone can recommend some non-biased books that present various viewpoints and theories on these incidents. I'd especially like to know exactly how Aisha factored into all this.
I know what my summer reading will consist of.
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No. Khalifah and Ameer-ul-Muslimeen Ali (ra) was killed when the survivors of a terrorist cult (the Khawarij) tried to avenge his just execution of the leadership of that cult.
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OK! I will take out the word Biased, if only un-biased is non-sunni research.
It is a research by various sunni scholars. The reason I used the word un-biased was simply because the books of Islamic history written by those people claimed to have recorded the incidents as they happened without any personal views.
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no, cite these sources. I know for a fact that most sunni sources cite yazeed as the killer, including works traced to ibn taymiyah and ibn katheer. its lately been sipah e sahaba/azam tariq/kr-hcy/ansar.org types that have actually tried to rewrite history.
please cite the source you are talking about.
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Dr. Israr Ahmed
happy?
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thats “most sunni sources” for you?
here, this is from Ibn Kathir’s ‘Al bidaya wal Nihaya’. You may or may not know of him, he belongs to one of the most virurently anti shia schools of thought and was a student of Ibn Taymiya (im sure u would know him?). i doubt anyone can consider him to be biased towards shias.
Bidayah Volume 8 page 204
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since when various became most?
I was simply pointing to a source not saying this is what I believe..
Now again quote me where I used the word most..
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alrite, i guess i said most and then thought u said it!
anyway, what you're citing is revisionist history and can be dismissed because a number of prominent sunni accounts of history corroborate the fact that yazeed had imam hussain killed.
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do u remember the couplet by Iqbal:rehm:
Qatl-e-Hussain:razi: asl maiN Marg-e-Yazeed hai
Islam Zindah hotaa hai har Karbala kay ba’ad
?
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yes?
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Good.
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what the heck? im citing history here sahab, and you're presumably misinterpreting a sheyr as proof!
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come again?
I think go ask someone what Marg-e-Yazeed means :-p
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Muawiyya was asked about two sisters that are slave girls i believe…
a similar permission in respect of sisters that are slave girls (although it seems a minority view) is reported from Ibn Abbas (possibly based on an understanding derived from verse 4:24 that reads in part: “except those whom your right hands possess”)
… all of this is assuming that the reports back to Muawiyya and Ibn Abbas are authentic… something which has yet to be established…
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PyarCGudia,
What was the version of the story that your Islamic teacher told you? And a lot of Muslims do admire Muawiyah, just like a lot of Muslims admire Saddam and Osama, and a lot of whites admire Hitler. But anyways if you want to know about history, you should first understand that most Sunnis tend to ignore history and go by the cowardly statement of: “Lets not talk about dead Muslims, Allah knows best.” This sheer statement of ignorance and stupidity, is in my opinion, one of the main causes of the backwardness of Muslims. Muslims need to understand that in the early days of Islam there were 2 types of Muslims.: those who looked at Islam as a message delivered by the Prophet and those who looked at Islam as a kingdom, government. Those who went after the message, those who wanted the kingdom, got the kingdom. When the kings of this government increased the borders, had multiple wives, numerous slaves, we call it “the rise of Islam”, and when the kingdom desinigrated, we call that “the fall of Islam”. Truth is Islam neither has risen nor fallen, it is the same religion today as it was 1400 years ago. One great source of history that talks about these issues of the divisions between Muslims
after the Prophet’s death is Edward Gibbon’s History of the Fall of the Roman Empire:
http://www.ccel.org/g/gibbon/decline/volume2/cntnt50.htm
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PCG go read some good history books…
Hazrat Muaweyah (ra) was a nole companions of the Prophet (saw)…
the shiaas curse men as great as Abu Bakar (ra), Umar (ra) and Uthman (ra), the best among those who believed in Muhammad (saw), then it is understandably very easy for them to curse Muaweyah (ra)…
he feared that khilafat might slip from the hands of Qureysh in general and banu umeyyah in particular and hence appointed his own son as a khalifa…
this is where he went wrong…
other than that most of what ppl attribute to him about cursing Ali (ra) and poisoning Hassan (ra) r lies…
if u listen to what shiaas have to say then even be prepared to hold Ali (ra) in higher regards than the prophets… 
P.S. regarding the original subject of the thread, the author made a very useless and pointless comment…