Re: Son pleads for help as mother awaits stoning in Iran
Instead of telling me that "that's not what Islam say".. you should be telling the muslims who believe and want to follow this barbarism that "hey buddy, stop giving Islam a bad name"..
To an outsider it does not matter what your interpretation of Islam is. There are many ideologies out there. If some of them advocate such barbarism and we see it happen in most muslim countries ofcourse we will say "Islam needs a fix".
I hope none of you will get too offended (except the barbarian supporters like Ambass and Socrates). I mean well.
Why not fleece them alive and then burn them?
Even more "beautiful".
Oh, and why is this "beautiful law" not mentioned in Quran?
Verse 24-2 says: "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication flog each of them".
According to Muslim jurists Quranic punishment in Verse 24(2), applies only to fornication and that in the case of adultery, the Sunnah of the Prophet prescribes stoning to death.
The most accepted collection of Hadith Sahih al Bukhari has 4 entries under 3829, 8804, 8805 and 8824 which refer to stoning by death.
Even if for sake of argument i agree with u that stoning for adultery is not prescribed in Quran.It was still carried out during the time of Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him and the caliphs razi ALLAH anho.
stoning or flogging?what difference does it makes for a dead man walking?it has to be exemplary,preventive and deterrent as is stoning,flogging and beheading.
but ofcourse should be in accordance with the strict guidelines of trial and law regarding evidence and awarded by State.
As i said earlier we can question weather the sentence was passed rightly and in accordance of with shariah law or not but not the nature of islamic punishment.
regarding those who are yelling to see a change in Islam,they can do nothing other than dreaming.
Re: Son pleads for help as mother awaits stoning in Iran
Stoning is beyond horrific and inhumane. AstagfirAllah that anyone would associate such vile acts as being from God. God did not tell us to do this in his book, yet people still seek to engage in the same acts from the age of ignorance that the same book in question was revealed to SAVE US FROM.
My heart goes out to that poor woman and her children. I have nothing but harsh words that I cannot say here for those who wish to murder a mother and ruin the lives of children.
Re: Son pleads for help as mother awaits stoning in Iran
^Almighty Allah has made hell for non believers and sinners and there are punishments for immoral and shameless men and women.
Next time some one will show up and say oh Almighty Allah would never create hell(nauzbillah).He loves his creation so we are all going to heaven.
As i said earlier there is no limit of dreaming.Dreamers were here from day one and they will remain till the end and no one really cares about them cause they havent succeeded in doing a bit in 1400 years.
Regarding stoning.4 hadiths are present.If still u doubt it then flogging is still there and if still u wanna be a naysayer then as i said there is no need to worry cause Almighty Allah has chosen this religion till the end of time so its going no where.
Stoning is beyond horrific and inhumane. AstagfirAllah that anyone would associate such vile acts as being from God. God did not tell us to do this in his book, yet people still seek to engage in the same acts from the age of ignorance that the same book in question was revealed to SAVE US FROM.
My heart goes out to that poor woman and her children. I have nothing but harsh words that I cannot say here for those who wish to murder a mother and ruin the lives of children.
Pieces of @#(#
harsh words like what? :D<<<<<< u can use them on this smilie with grin cause i think his laugh really deserves it.
Re: Son pleads for help as mother awaits stoning in Iran
^then u have no solution for it just like others.I have quoted u 4 hadiths supporting stoning.There are few muslims who do question the authenticity of hadiths in good faith.
Thats why i am saying even if u do not agree on stoning ,flogging is still there.Now do u have problem with flogging too?
Re: Son pleads for help as mother awaits stoning in Iran
^bro i still believe in stoning cause its evident from 4 authentic hadiths.
flogging does kills most of the times unless the adulterer is tarzan which i highly doubt majority are.
I dont know what wave length u operate on.Just by proving that a certain punishment is not present in Quran dosent makes the offence non punishable.
Is there any punishemt in Quran regarding credit card theft?Someone like you will show up and say since its not in Quran therefore punishing credit card fraudster isnt sound?
obviously he would fall under the theft and will get his hand chopped.Then when he will commit the offence again some one like this fellow “:D” with an evil grin will show up and say oh pls dont cut his other hand thats so barbaric he already has one hand.how will he eat?lol so u know what i mean.dreamers will always dream and it dosent matter at all.
i am just talking simple logic here.2+2=4 , and no trigonometry or calculus thats hard to grasp.
So my sincere advice to this fellow here with grin “:D” is that if u have committed adultery and u still havent ended up with stones,pray and repent cause Almighty Allah might forgive you instead of proving it that since flogging is a lesser punishment as compared to stoning and it dosent results in death so that means its not a major sin.
Thats all i have to say in this thread for now.
Re: Son pleads for help as mother awaits stoning in Iran
socrates:
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flogging does kills most of the times
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Depends on how much one is flogged and with what intensity. But if the punishment was flogging till death then death should have clearly been mentioned in Quran.
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So my sincere advice to this fellow here with grin "" is that if u have committed adultery and u still havent ended up with stones,pray
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Bayta, stop being personal. In case you forgot Islam, to allege something on someone without any knowledge about it is also a grave sin.
But problem is that people consider their culture to be Islam.
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Is there any punishemt in Quran regarding credit card theft?Someone like you will show up and say since its not in Quran therefore punishing credit card fraudster isnt sound?
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Sure there is no punishment for credit card theft in particular in Quran, but there IS a punishment for adultery in particular in Quran. So why don't you follow Quran?
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and repent cause Almighty Allah might forgive you
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I would say actually it is people like you who need to repent, because it is you who go against Islam when there is clear guidance in our hand from Allah in the form of His book.
Re: Son pleads for help as mother awaits stoning in Iran
"bro i still believe in stoning cause its evident from 4 authentic hadiths."
Those hadiths are BARBARIC. So are you if you follow them.
This is what my problem with religion is. With all the good influences ... it can also have such destructive influences. It makes people stop using their brain and blindly follow some random interpretions (true or not) of some random literature from the past. This person actually believes stoning is the right thing to do. Disturbing!
Ok. I am not going to bother to read it again. I believe when you say that it was not about me. I am sure a person who comes up as a “true Muslim” won’t be telling a lie.
So it’s cool.
I think the conclusion is that if Iran really wants to practice Islam then it should remove this punishment of stoning from the constitution.
Re: Son pleads for help as mother awaits stoning in Iran
If God/Allah was there.. he should be sending regular updates and clarifications on his alleged book(s) to ensure that just misinterpretation does not cause massive casualties and drama.
But then again.. I hear he likes to TEST people... very naughty.
