if you didnt make a claim you first and second line donot co incide as for where you made the claim allow me to refresh your memory
correct me if i am wrong but that implies that Jinnah would've changed his stance had he known this gem of yours.
So what do you think jinnah would say about Pakistan today? "Sub theek hai"?
or should we add suck up to india big time and hope to merge with them. I caaall for eendeyan govt, opposition and huuuuumun rayte groups to offer proteiction to any people......
Peace with India is a prerequisite to solving Pakistan's many problems and protecting the innocent people from religious and right wing nut cases on both sides.
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^no i imagine he would've said go to india and say jinnah made a blunder, please offer us protection.
Peace with India is a prerequisite to solving Pakistan's many problems and protecting the innocent people from religious and right wing nut cases.
and not to mention petty thugs who recieve bhatta, promote ethnic mentality and park their butt in uk and appeal to india for amnesty
^no i imagine he would've said go to india and say jinnah made a blunder, please offer us protection.
Today you can't even protect yourself from your own created monster, so why blame others for asking for protection for themselves?
if you didnt make a claim you first and second line donot co incide as for where you made the claim allow me to refresh your memory
correct me if i am wrong but that implies that Jinnah would've changed his stance had he known this gem of yours.
Oh I see, now I know how to explain you. I thought you might get the point, but you need a clear and detailed post.
When I said Jinah said 70-80 years, that means when Jinnah was working to find a solution to get rid of Englishmen, then Iqbal comes with a theory to give the most Muslims populated areas to Muslims, and that includes many states which were then not included in Pakistan, and that the reason why india has more Muslims than Pakistan.
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Today you can't even protect yourself from your own created monster, so why blame others for asking for protection for themselves?
^yes that has to be extremely interesting. with indian agents being captured readily in pakistan you can safely make that india has no stakes in troubles of pakistan what so ever. even musharraf would disagree with you. make up your mind is it to be musharraf or altaf's insight in this matter which you will readily digest.
Oh I see, now I know how to explain you. I thought you might get the point, but you need a clear and detailed post. When I said Jinah said 70-80 years, that means when Jinnah was working to find a solution to get rid of Englishmen, then Iqbal comes with a theory to give the most Muslims populated areas to Muslims, and that includes many states which were then not included in Pakistan, and that the reason why india has more Muslims than Pakistan.
not merely englishmen he clearly didnt think that indian muslims would be safe with hindus thus pakistan.
^no i imagine he would've said go to india and say jinnah made a blunder, please offer us protection.
This is what Pubjab and Sindh said to Migrants 'go back to india or enter to sea'
If you are really interested in something then follow it since 1947, Liaqat Ali Khan killings, Ayub Khan racism in Karachi, ZA Bhutto Killings in Lalu Khait and other parts in Karachi, hypocritical quota system for sindh Karachi, and so on.
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^so are you saying punjab and sindh and now altaf are saying the same thing?because that is what altaf said recently
Ethnic mentality was started from Punjab, get your fact real be a man and get the reality, Mqm was founded in 1984, but Punjabi and sindhi were already sleeping when Pakistan was in progess of making :rolleys:
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^even if i am to concede your manly realistic facts, do you say altaf is also responding by ethnic hatred?
not merely englishmen he clearly didnt think that indian muslims would be safe with hindus thus pakistan.
He thinks and you know it, but we are talking about what he did, not what he think at that time,
^so are you saying punjab and sindh and now altaf are saying the same thing?because that is what altaf said recently
Go back and read again, and ask clearly what you didn't get.
^even if i am to concede your manly realistic facts, do you say altaf is also responding by ethnic hatred?
Before we go ahead, tell me are you accepting the fact about Punjab and Sindh?
He thinks and you know it, but we are talking about what he di, not what he think at that time,
yes well i hate to break it to you, english men were leaving india , he separated us from india and who is the majority of india? must be those englishmen.
Before we go ahead, tell me are you accepting the fact about Punjab and Sindh?
nope, though i do concede the ethnic violence that errupted in karachi at the time of ayub khan was targetting migrants. I hold the beaurucracy resonsible for ills done and i dont promote ethnic mentality to combat with corrupt govts. nor do i support criminal who do just that.
yes well i hate to break it to you, english men were leaving india , he separated us from india and who is the majority of india? must be those englishmen.
Ever thought why they were leaving? and were those only Muslims or hindus too in that struggle of sending Englishmen back to England?
nope, though i do concede the ethnic violence that errupted in karachi at the time of ayub khan was targetting migrants. I hold the beaurucracy resonsible for ills done and i dont promote ethnic mentality to combat with corrupt govts. nor do i support criminal who do just that.
If you can not accept the reality then you will never accept the other reality which is linked to those hate/racism/injustice done to migrants and makers of Pakistan, which later turned into hate and a reaction and then other same ill forces came into action behind the curtain and played their dirt game funded by raw, etc!
Ever thought why they were leaving? and were those only Muslims or hindus too in that struggle of sending Englishmen back to England?
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just so i dont misunderstand you are you saying that Jinnah didnt think hindus were a threat to muslims of subcontinent merely english?and subcontinent was divided merely on the pretext of that?
If you can not accept the reality then you will never accept the other reality which is linked to those hate/racism/injustice done to migrants and makers of Pakistan, which later turned into hate and a reaction and then other same ill forces came into action behind the curtain and played their dirt game funded by raw, etc!
no i agree with you that there was injustice done to migrants, i also agree that corrupt govt and beaurucracy was behind much of this abuse. I donot however agree with a reaction which is as corrupt and as dishonest. Sort of kills the point doesnt it?
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just so i dont misunderstand you are you saying that Jinnah didnt think hindus were a threat to muslims of subcontinent merely english?and subcontinent was divided merely on the pretext of that?
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At that time the bigger threat were English, Hindu were second obviously, unfortunately Jinah got less time for Pakistan, else things might be different today ( in a good sense), what I am saying was he must be thinking about hindu being a threat to Muslims, but still somehow both hindu and Muslims ahve same agenda, to get rid of Englishmen, but it happened so quick after 1940 that he had no chance to except to accept the deal, else Pakistani map should be greater than what it is now!
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no i agree with you that there was injustice done to migrants, i also agree that corrupt govt and beaurucracy was behind much of this abuse. I donot however agree with a reaction which is as corrupt and as dishonest. Sort of kills the point doesnt it?
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Yes killing is haram, In sohrab goth, in Qasba colony, in Pakka Qila, in Ali garh colony, in Shah Faisa colony, in Landhi, there were thousands of mqm people were killed by sindhi, punjabi, pathans, but unfortunalty media was not born at that time to show the real face of other forces like we had on 12 may, and even no one remember Decemeber 27, 2008 killing, raping, firing, burning till three days in Karachi a target killing of mqm people, but hypocritically people remember 12 may, but no remembernace and action about december 27 event!
^yes that has to be extremely interesting. with indian agents being captured readily in pakistan you can safely make that india has no stakes in troubles of pakistan what so ever. even musharraf would disagree with you. make up your mind is it to be musharraf or altaf's insight in this matter which you will readily digest.
LOL, what indian agents? It appears that millions of Pakistanis with names like Tariq Afridi (Darra Adam Khel Taliban Commander), Muslim Khan (Swat Taliban commander), Hamid Gul (Punjab Taliban facilitator), Qari Saifullah Akhtar (Harkat-ul-Jihad-Islami Punjab leader) etc. are all on Indian payroll. Quite am amazing feat has been achieved by India by recruiting all the Mullahs, Qaris, Maulanas, and Jamatis into RAW!
The fact is that the dysfunctional state which Pakistan is in today is very much responsible for giving rise to talib style extremism and as such it has been a huge blunder for the people of the entire region.