Re: Some Masajids in Islamabad again Collecting heavy Weapons-Crsh By Force Says Mush
^yes brilliant isnt it. apparently they msut recruit a guy whose name screams that he is a hindus or heavens forbid pakistan is the only country where traitors for hires are available. and indian doesnt spend a dime for sure. even musharraf is smoking pot.
^yes brilliant isnt it. apparently they msut recruit a guy whose name screams that he is a hindus or heavens forbid pakistan is the only country where traitors for hires are available. and indian doesnt spend a dime for sure. even musharraf is smoking pot.
You're missing the point. India or any other outside power alone could never achieve in dominating a tribe like the Mehsud's who have not been dominated by anyone since the Greeks maybe, without internal support of religious nut cases and jihadis in the pakistani establishment. The main root cause is internal rise in extremism.
At that time the bigger threat were English, Hindu were second obviously, unfortunately Jinah got less time for Pakistan, else things might be different today ( in a good sense), what I am saying was he must be thinking about hindu being a threat to Muslims, but still somehow both hindu and Muslims ahve same agenda, to get rid of Englishmen, but it happened so quick after 1940 that he had no chance to except to accept the deal, else Pakistani map should be greater than what it is now!
i disagree though if he had thought india and hindus were a secodnary threat he wouldnt be in a haste to settle on a map for pakistan. i agree with the part where he would have wished for more areas to be included but hindus were the primary threat, english were leaving anyhow and the only way to secure a pakistan was to get it done through making english a channel. left to hindus we wouldnt have gotten a village hut.
Yes killing is haram, In sohrab goth, in Qasba colony, in Pakka Qila, in Ali garh colony, in Shah Faisa colony, in Landhi, there were thousands of mqm people were killed by sindhi, punjabi, pathans, but unfortunalty media was not born at that time to show the real face of other forces like we had on 12 may, and even no one remember Decemeber 27, 2008 killing, raping, firing, burning till three days in Karachi a target killing of mqm people, but hypocritically people remember 12 may, but no remembernace and action about december 27 event!
i say again two wrongs donot make a right. hence my disagreement with MQM.
You're missing the point. India or any other outside power alone could never achieve in dominating a tribe like the Mehsud's who have not been dominated by anyone since the Greeks maybe, without internal support of religious nut cases and jihadis in the pakistani establishment. The main root cause is internal rise in extremism.
bhai saab thats what i am saying you cannot claim that india has no hand in current mess. to ask india for amnesty is ridiculous to say the least , that effectively implies they are without any share in current situation but are innocent to the point where they become saviours .Either one has to be out of their mind or scoring cheap point with the audience to infer that. where does that mean that there are no internal factors involved in current situation? whether you dispute which part is main or secondary what remains certain is india is no friends of yours and altaf was making a spectacle of himself.
i disagree though if he had thought india and hindus were a secodnary threat he wouldnt be in a haste to settle on a map for pakistan. i agree with the part where he would have wished for more areas to be included but hindus were the primary threat, english were leaving anyhow and the only way to secure a pakistan was to get it done through making english a channel. left to hindus we wouldnt have gotten a village hut.
i say again two wrongs donot make a right. hence my disagreement with MQM.
After the event of 1857 war, both hindu and Muslim have same agenda, and hence they were working on the same cause either together or separate, so even if Jinah consider hindu bigger threat than Englishmen, then politically he was supposed to do nothing but keep an eye, otherwise they not so strong to fight with two fronts, however it was wise to keep along with them till you reach your firt goal!
About mqm people died who are around 17,000 since 1984, have you ever thought to raise the same voice for them? For a change do it and show us you are not biased!
After the event of 1857 war, both hindu and Muslim have same agenda, and hence they were working on the same cause either together or separate, so even if Jinah consider hindu bigger threat than Englishmen, then politically he was supposed to do nothing but keep an eye, otherwise they not so strong to fight with two fronts, however it was wise to keep along with them till you reach your firt goal!
About mqm people died who are around 17,000 since 1984, have you ever thought to raise the same voice for them? For a change do it and show us you are not biased!
yeah so simialr goal for a moment doesnt make us each others life partners.and that is all i am saying, jinnah considered hindus prejudiced and baised and he also considered muslim future unsafe in united india.
migrants and mqm people are different in my eyes. and i have never posted any material that will make me bais in that regard go through my posts and check that out yourself. quite a personal claim to make when even in this thread you wouldnt see me sayign that migrants werent mistreated. and i dislike it because i respect urdu speaking and mahajir with the respect every pakistani deserves. however i have no respect for mqm.
Peace with India is a prerequisite to solving Pakistan's many problems and protecting the innocent people from religious and right wing nut cases on both sides.
Peace with india is a good thing and must be but when india is cutting and destroying our homeland and ppl then we must also destroy each and every part of indian armed defences so that south asia might have peace and security by any indian offence and misfortune