and the worthiest possible effort made by this epitome of nationalism is to sit in india and call pakistan a mistake? i am interested in finding out that when a man says pakistan was a biggest mistake and claim to head a party that supposedly was created to secure interests of those who migrated for their belief in this 'mistake' what exactly is he smoking. In his ridiculous,absurd and completely anti pakistani words "division of subcontinent was the greatest blunder in history" doesnt seem to me he was refering to the pakistan of now rather the very principle of division which Jinnah advocated. To even insinuate that Jinnah and this bloody joke of a guy have anything in common is an affront to any pakistani. Furhter goes on to request the govt of india,its opposition and human right groups of the worlds to offer amnesty to migrants ? this is to promote a successful pakistan?
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does this sound like Jinnah’s philosophy
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[/youtubevid]this is not Altaf Hussain, prolly his dummy or something, or may be INdians gave him some drugs before that… How can a real Pakistani say any thing like that.. Altaf Hussain loves Pakistan from the bottom of his heart, he cries daily for hours…
^^ yeh main nahin kah raha, MQM kay paid chamchay kehtay hain…
read these as well..
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Because Altaf believes in reality and not upheaval. Pakistan exists and all effort must be made to better it and r*eturn it back to Jinnah's vision,* instead of causing bloody civil war or mass migration for the second time.
oh so you changed the post. anyhow refer to the video please, your guy seems to have trouble accepting the birth of pakistan not its evolved face.
oh so you changed the post. anyhow refer to the video please, your guy seems to have trouble accepting the birth of pakistan not its evolved face.
He is stating an opinion based on historical fact. Are you an enemy of history and logical reasoning? In today's events, the condition of Muslims in India is not good, but is it good in Pakistan? Pakistan has been a blunder for Muslims on both sides of the border. Any dispassionate view of history will lead you to this conclusion. I'm sorry that you're having trouble accepting this fact.
But despite Altaf's views on historical blunders, he still believes as MQM policy in salvaging rest of the country, while the right wing contingent of jamatis, talibs and lashakrs who NEVER believed in the concept of Pakistani natioanlism to begin with, believe in dismantling pakistani state and replacing it with osama ruled al qaeda safe haven and basket case like afghanistan.
If this is still unclear to you, let me further break it down:
Nationalist forces and MQM view: Pakistan has turned into a blunder and must be salvaged by defeating the backwards mentality in society. Despite the historical realities, we must still try to keep alive the state.
Right wing and Jihadi view: Pakistani nationalism has always been haraam and the state must be dismantled and replaced with a "pure" islamic heaven as per directives of arabs and talibs. Killing maximum amount of muslims to achieve this goal is to be encouraged.
He is stating an opinion based on historical fact. Are you an enemy of history and logical reasoning? In today's events, the condition of Muslims in India is not good, but is it good in Pakistan? Pakistan has been a blunder for Muslims on both sides of the border. Any dispassionate view of history will lead you to this conclusion. I'm sorry that you're having trouble accepting this fact.
i am sorry but to say that pakistanis and indian muslims enjoy same life style is height of ignorance. Any pakistani is justified in considering this as an insult. Perhaps the 'fact' that you so flaunt around is not a fact rather a perspective that this guy has expressed and you cannot disagree or comment on fairly since you cannot digress from typical party mentality.
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But despite Altaf's views on historical blunders, he still believes as MQM policy in salvaging rest of the country, while the right wing contingent of jamatis, talibs and lashakrs who NEVER believed in the concept of Pakistani natioanlism to begin with, believe in dismantling pakistani state and replacing it with osama ruled al qaeda safe haven and basket case like afghanistan.
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can you hear yourself? he is interested in salvaging a country that he thought was a blunder? so to put that mistakes right his idealogy would be to join india? please donot try to bring taliban, this and that into this. This is about what MQM's leader has expressed. If this is the best he can come up with then he should keep mum about other things.
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If this is still unclear to you, let me further break it down:
Nationalist forces and MQM view: Pakistan** has turned into a blunder and must be salvaged by defeating the backwards mentality in society**. Despite the historical realities, we must still try to keep alive the state.
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That is pile of rubbish.He clearly says that the very idea of pakistan was mistake not what has happened since. The guy is against the idea of pakistan not how it has or hasnt progressed and the fact (thats what facts are) that he spouts this rubbish while in india says alot about him. If this is his track of politics why give one statement in pakistan and another in india?
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Right wing and Jihadi view: Pakistani nationalism has always been haraam and the state must be dismantled and replaced with a "pure" islamic heaven as per directives of arabs and talibs. Killing maximum amount of muslims to achieve this goal is to be encouraged.
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yea yea right wing this and that. This imbecile is calling the state invalid how on earth is that on improvement on haram this and that? You cannot defend this deabcle of his khehkashan because he doesnt give you any ground to cover his hide. Why should it be different if its arabs or indians that are beign appeased at expanse of pakistanis. This is disgusting and you obviously cannot bring yourself to admit that.
Cool down, here is detailed reply in his own voice
Thank you for posting. Clears everything up and backs up my point on the blunder that Muslims in South Asia got themselves into.
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^ No Problem :)
Being human this is my responsibility too to enlighten those people who are misguided by themselves or through an agenda. I see something wrong and one sided attack so I thought to bring the reality to the discussion in a hope Shayad kay samajh aajay un ko ye baat.
^ No Problem :) Being human this is my responsibility too to enlighten those people who are misguided by themselves or through an agenda. I see something wrong and one sided attack so I thought to bring the reality to the discussion in a hope Shayad kay samajh aajay un ko ye baat.
actually that doesnt clear anything up. How is this guy rehashing Jinnah's philosophy when in the video posted by you he again repeats that it would've been better for the muslims of subcontinent if they hadnt separated pakistan that effectively negates what Jinnah stood for. Jinnah knew how many muslims would've been in subcontinent if not for the separation of Pakistan. He specifically called and advocated for a state for muslims i.e Pakitan. What altaf is saying doesnot equal to what Jinnah said at all infact its not even related. The reason that Bangladesh didnt fall into arms of india merely proves that once escaped indian hold its better to keep your identity. Why would a guy who further goes on to add that he is pakistani and respects the sovereignty of pakistan would care to be this "philosophical" in india rather than in pakistan. And how does it link to Jinnah's politics ?
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Jinah said 70-80 years ago when we were Muslims, now we are Bengali, indian Muslims, Punjabi, pathan, balochi, sindhi, Muhajir etc. Even Molana Azad said something different than Jinah. remember?
Later GM Sayed from Sindh and Gaffar Khan from NWFP opposed Pakistan, while the major part of the Muslims who struggled since 1857 and gave so much sacrfices is still in India with a devided families.
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^ yeah 10 other people said something similar so ? why try to say that altaf and Jinnah are saying somethign similar? Altaf is saying something very different if not compelte opposite. Or does he have a special connection which allows him to deduce what Jinnah would've said had he been alive today.
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^ Do YOU have some special connection to reject what Jinah would never say like this?
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^no but then i am not making a claim as to this is what Jinnah would've said. You make the claim so you provide evidence. Altaf and jinnah have zilch in common.
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^ you are not making claim? but you are not accepting a claim either which is itself a claim.
I made a claim ? LOL where ?
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^yeah that makes as much sense as altaf does which is to say no sense at all. Jinnah advocated separation of pakistan, altaf considers it a blunder and yes they both have the same vision.
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^Jinnah's original vision for Pakistan as a just and progressive homeland for all South Asian muslims never fully materialized. Deal with it. Now, should we salvage what is left or give into nihilistic forces of evil and turn into the next Afghanistan or Somalia?
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I could say You make no sense, but then I would be considered a fool for not making any sense out of no sense.
^ you are not making claim? but you are not accepting a claim either which is itself a claim.
I made a claim ? LOL where ?
if you didnt make a claim you first and second line donot co incide
as for where you made the claim allow me to refresh your memory
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Jinah said 70-80 years ago when we were Muslims, now we are Bengali, indian Muslims, Punjabi, pathan, balochi, sindhi, Muhajir etc.
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correct me if i am wrong but that implies that Jinnah would've changed his stance had he known this gem of yours.
^Jinnah's original vision for Pakistan as a just and progressive homeland for all South Asian muslims never fully materialized. Deal with it. Now, should we salvage what is left or give into nihilistic forces of evil and turn into the next Afghanistan or Somalia?
or should we add suck up to india big time and hope to merge with them. I caaall for eendeyan govt, opposition and huuuuumun rayte groups to offer proteiction to any people......