Re: Some common misconceptions about Shi’ism(merged)
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My question is still same from you all if Hazrat Husain was "Imam" protector of islam why he was unable to protect Islam from yazeed?
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**5. And my qeustion is if Nauzubillah Imam Husain was not able to protect Islam why don't you guys called Yazeed Ameer ul Momineen...Nauzubillah...why don't you guyzz... as you guyzz have been calling his father who ever became khaleefa..no matter how did he become.. even if he chose to ignore the funeral services of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. for this greed.... Its amazing you guyz call any one who becomes khaleefa Ameer ul Momineen...but its strange... a person came and raged a war against Ameer ul Momineen Hazrat Ali A.S and still regarded as Ameer ul Momineen...... you guyzz are some lost soulss... May Allah SWT show you guyzz the right Path Ameen....**
If you have guts answer my question don’t just go in circles… let me mark the above one is the fifth question for you… and I am still waiting on the answer for the 1-4… Oh lemme reword it..some baseless excuse that would still go in circles…
Its not us who made Imams its Allah SWT.. incase your ignorant eyes missed the ayats I quoted for you…let me reqoute..hope this time some thing gets in your head…“And We ASSIGNED from among them some Imams who GUIDE by Our authority since they were patient and believed firmly in Our Signs.” (Quran 32:24) On the other hand, if one becomes the Shia a tyrant or a wrong-doer, he shall meet with the fate of his leader. In fact, Quran indicates that on the day of Judgment people will come in groups, and each group has its leader in front of it. Allah, to whom belong Might and Majesty, said:One day We shall call every group of people by their respective Imams. (Quran 17:71) Now if you think Like Kaleem… thats is if you do think here Imam is Prophet tell me what does the ayat below mean…are there two kinds of Prophets…???
**In the day of judgment, the destiny of the “followers” of each group highly depends on the destiny of his Imam (provided that they really followed that Imam). Allah mentioned in Quran that there are two types of Imams. Some Imams are those who invite people to Hell fire. They are tyrannical leaders of each era (like Pharaoh, etc.):****And We made them (but) Imams inviting to the Fire; and on the Day of Judgment no help shall they find. In this world We continued to curse them; and on the Day of Judgment they will be among the hateful. (Quran 28:41-42). **
I agree Allah is the protector of islam… and one of the way he is protecting is by having Imams as his waseela, who are source of knowledge and defenders of Islam… Ever thought why of all the companions Hazrat Ali A.S. was the only word awarded sword Zulfiqar)…Had it not been Imam Hussain A.S sacrificing his family in the way of Allah SWT you all might have followed Yazeed as Khaleefa also… and God knows have introduced what other innovations in islam… Imam Hussain head was cut off while he was in Sajda…
**1. what a muslim would cut the throat of another muslim with 3 days of hunger **
and thirst…
2. What muslim would become khaleefa and take the hijab from the ladies of Prophet and made a show out of them…
3. What muslims would kill the grandson of Prophet and burry their own soldiers but leave the bodies of Imam Husain and his companions lying in the hot sand of Kerbala..but boy why am I not suprised… doesn’t it come from the sunnah of their first two khaleefa..to whom khilafat was more important than performing the funeral services of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H.
Had it not been Imam Hussain A.S … this ritual would have kept going… and you guyzz would keep taking every khaleefa as your Ameer ul Momineen no matter how many other muslims he had killed to become one… Its Imam Husain who unveiled the true colors of this greed of khilafat… and only his shadat and his family being taken as POW could have shown his true colors…Else you people would have kept taking everyone who succeeds to khilafat as Ameer ul Momineen and kept on with the bidah introduced by them… IF Imam hussain nauzubillah didn’t defend islam..why is yazeed not called Ameer ul Momineen today???
When someone asked Imam Zain ul Abideen A.S. (son of Imam Hussain) if his dad won or lost the war.. Imam asked him to go to mosque and pray to rakat namaz.. After he came back from namaaz Imam Zain ul Abideen A.S. told him till the time the namaz is alive.. Its victory for Imam Hussain A.S.
If Imam Hussain A.S. didn’t defend islam… tell me what was the whole incident of Kerbala about…??? I want to hear it from your mouth… and remember you’ll be answerable to Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. and Allah SWT for all the un referenced rumors you have been spreading to mis led others…
5. Tell me why don’t you guyzz call Yazeed your Ameer ul Momineen… he followed the sunnah of first two khaleefa… like they left the funeral services of our beloved Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. his army didn’t burry Imam Hussain either..whom they killed while he was doing sajda… His dad raged war against Ameer ul Momineen Hazrat Ali A.S and still regarded as nauzubillah Ameer ul Momineen …So what is it to you… Are you gonna say Nauzubillah Yazeed was Ameer ul Momineen… OR .. Did Imam Hussain defended islam???
Had you known the Alamdar of Imam Hussain army..you won’t be talking this stupid stuff today… Hazrat Abbas… son of Hazrat Ali A.S. he was so brave that when he came to battle in Siffin people confused him with Hazrat Ali A.S. and started yellin Al-Aman… its Ali A.S.
Imam Hussain never let him fight because he knew if he would send this brave to the battle field the whole map of the battle would have changed and his maqsad might not have full filled… and thats why he asked him to go and get some water for kids from Nehar-e-Furad but he asked him not to fight… and when he came to the battle field no body had guts to face him… he went to nehar without any fight from sword… Imam Hussain A.S. keh Azeem qurbani pur shak karney walo… Ever thought why did Prophet Mohammad gave such a big hadith to which I posted references in sunni book in my earlier post…
“Husain is from me and I am from Husain.”
What did Imam Hussain do as such or was gonna do???
Look at the following hadith with references from your books…
The Messenger of Allah said: “Al-Hasan and al-Husain are the chiefs of the youth of Paradise and Fatimah is the chief of their women.”
Sunni references:
- Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p660, on the authority of Abu Sa’id and Hudhayfa
- Sunan Ibn Majah, Introduction 8
- Al-Tabarani, on the authorities of: Umar, Ali, Jabir, Abu Hurayrah, Usamah Ibn Zaid, al-Baraa, Ibn 'Adi, and Ibn Masud.
- Al-Kubra, by al-Nisa’i
- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, pp 62,82, v3, pp 3,64, v5, p391
- Fada’il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Hanbal, v2, p771, Tradition (7) al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, pp 166,167
- Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu’aym, v5, p71
- Majma’ al-Zawa’id, by al-Haythami, v9, p187
- Tuhfatul Ashraf, by Lumzi, v3, p31
- Ibn Habban, as mentioned in al-Mawarid, pp 551,553
- al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami, Ch. 11, section 3, p290
- Mishkat al-Masabih, by Khatib al-Tabrizi, English Version, Tdadition
Now let me guess you would say a hadith narrated in so many books of your own is going to be dhaeef…
You can view more hadith’s on Imam Hussain with references from your own books at the following website
http://www.shianews.com/hi/articles/islam/0000070.php
Dude you the guru of making an argument going in circles… how about answering my question for once… I never said Allah is not the protector of Quran… I said not one but serveral times..PLEASE READ IT WITH YOUR OPEN EYES.. Allah is the protector of Quran and thats why there is only one version that exist unlike Bible… Its you who have been using unreferenced sources to accuse shias…
Now let me ask you the same question again… HOPING THIS TIME YOU WON’T PLAY YOUR USUAL GAME OF IGNORANCE…
Let me write it again for you… Please answer the question asked… I don’t have time to play games…
1. Aren’t you the one who said not believing the quran is in correct sequence is like doubting on Allah SWT as the protector even though I kinda made it clear no shia doubts in Allah SWT as the protector and therefore there aren’t any other versions of Quran out there like bible but asked you if Quran is in the sequence why is the ayat indicated below is not towards the End
“Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion.” (Qur’an 5:3)
Now if this ayat is in Chapter 5, Is only the ayats upto chapter 5 significant for you..since Islam was complete… or rather than us its you doubting the authenticity of Quran… Rather than answering my question you keep accusing us… I asked you for reference about the thing you said that shia believes some ayats on Imam Mahdi being removed… We don’t believe any ayat in the Quran is removed and I made it clear but rather than answering my question you went out saying if you guys doubt the ayat are missing we about doubting Allah… care to give references of where did you learn that from… and if there was any such thing its got to be dhaef because it contradicts the ayat… so please give me references before you make such a claim… or is it one of those other rumors you have been spreading on your agenda to slader shias without any references… if it is so… May Allah give you ajjar for it. if you think its a good deed .. Ameen..because you are trying to mislead other fellow guppies with rumors you yourself never gave references too ..
And also the questions below…
2. You said Islam doesnot care who married who… Based on the light of the argument… Are the wives of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. Ummul Momineen… since Like YOU (NOT SHIAS) said Islam doesnot care who married who.
4. Just for the sake of getting a better understanding so please don’t use it against me to spread rumors…but I have a question…
Like you said Imam is the person who leads namaaz… Imam Shafai, Imam Malaiki and Imam Hanafi are no better than the maulvi at mosque or are they???
For once stop waisting by time and answer the question asked rather than going in circles by coming up unreferences stuff to accuse us or answer questions that I never asked…