Some common misconceptions about Shi’ism(merged)

[masterofall240]

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Asayb, nothing you have said makes any sense. Take some English As A Second Language courses (ESL). It will really help your illiterate mind.

[Texan_Dude]

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@asayb

“I asked you a SIMPLE question… You said Islam doesnot care who married who… ON THE LIGHT OF THAT ARE THE WIVES OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD P.B.U.H. UMMUL MOMINEEN…YES OR NO??? how hard is it to answer that… stop twisiting arguments… its a simple question ..give me a siimple answer?”

yes

Just shows how ignorant and confused you are on religon matters… YOU ARE CONFUSED ABOUT YOUR OWN BELIEVES AND YOU WANT TO PREACH OTHER…BY SPREADING RUMORS ON SHIAS…go and study yourself first… AT ONE PLACE YOU SAY ISLAM DOESNOT CARE WHO MARRIES WHO AND THAT CLAIM WIVES OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD P.B.U.H. ARE UMMUL MOMINEEN… YOU KNOW YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF…GO AND FIX YOUR OWN BELIEVES BEFORE YOU START YOUR MOTTO TO MISLEAD OTHERS…By the way I am still waiting on your references to the part where you said..nauzubillah shia believe that ayats on Imam Mahdi is removed..which of course we don’t…but oh well I don’t know if its worth waiting on anymore references from you.. What am I supposed to expect from a person who is himself confused about his own believes…

@asayb

question here is again what was the conflict between Hazrat Husain and yazeed is it Namaz or leadrer ship?
and what were those aspects of islam which Hazrat Husain as a protector of islam was trying to protect?

Had you read my previous posts… you won’t be asking such question..here is a bit edited version of it
1. what a muslim would cut the throat of another muslim with 3 days of hunger
and thirst while he was doing sajdah.
2. What muslim would become khaleefa and take the hijab from the ladies of Prophet and make a show out of them…
**3. What muslims would kill the grandson of Prophet and burry their own soldiers but leave the bodies of Imam Husain and his companions lying in the hot sand of Kerbala..but boy why am I not suprised… doesn’t it come from the sunnah of their first two khaleefa..to whom khilafat was more important than performing the funeral services of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H… his father game to war against Hazrat Ali A.S. and was still regarded as Ameer ul Momineen… **

Had it not been Imam Hussain A.S. you guys would have made Yazeed Ameer ul Momineen and follow foot steps of his people.

[masterofall240]

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@Texan_Dude

Had it not been Imam Hussain A.S. you guys would have made Yazeed Ameer ul Momineen and follow foot steps of his people.

they already do. people like bin laden, zarqawi are followers of yazid.

[Texan_Dude]

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@asayb

“3. Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, and the strangled (animal) and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall and that killed by being smitten with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten, except what you slaughter, and what is sacrificed on stones set up (for idols) and that you divide by the arrows; that is a transgression. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion; but whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining willfully to sin, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”(Quran 5:3)

Texan_Dude this is full ayat and read this ayat carefully its a question asked its not said that Quran and islam is completed. and i dont have to say what i am trying to prove here. you are the one who is trying to twist Qurani ayat and mislead people.

Another lame accusation… YOU ARE BLAMING ME FOR NOTHING MAN.. Following is the part of the translation I quoted

“Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion.”

Now prove me what meaning of the ayat did I twist before accusing me man… READ THE AYAT I QUOTED AND WHAT HIGH LIGHTED FROM YOUR TRANSLATION OR ITS ANOTHER LAME WAY OF SLANDERING SHIAS BY ACCUSING US FOR SOMETHING WE DIDN’T DO… WELL YOU ARE FULL OF IT… SO MANY THINGS I HAVE POINTED OUT AND IN REPLY ALL YOU HAVE IS ANOTHER ACCUSATION WITHOUT ANY PROVE…PLEASE FOR GOD SAKE BEFORE ACCUSING US PLEASE GIVE REFERENCES…DON’T JUST GO ON SPREADING RUMORS FOR NOTHING…Now tell me who is misleading its me or YOU???

any of what you said didn’t make any sense… Are you trying to say a quranic ayat is asking a question…??? Who is it asking the question to whom and what is the question…???

[Texan_Dude]

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@asayb

"In the day of judgment, the destiny of the “followers” of each group highly depends on the destiny of his Imam (provided that they really followed that Imam). Allah mentioned in Quran that there are two types of Imams. Some Imams are those who invite people to Hell fire. They are tyrannical leaders of each era (like Pharaoh, etc.):
And We made them (but) Imams inviting to the Fire; and on the Day of Judgment no help shall they find. In this world We continued to curse them; and on the Day of Judgment they will be among the hateful. (Quran 28:41-42). "

you said “Inshallah us shia will go with our 12 Imams and Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H…Ameen” how many of these 12 “IMAMS” of your had invited there people to hell???

Let me quote you another ayat of Quran

“And We ASSIGNED from among them some Imams who GUIDE by Our authority since they were patient and believed firmly in Our Signs.” (Quran 32:24)

Nauzubillah why would they take you to hell… Read the hadith of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. in book no other than Sahih Bukarhi..

Narrated Jabir ibn Samura: I heard the Prophet saying, “There will be twelve commanders (Amir).” He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, the Prophet added, “All of them will be from Quraysh.”

References…
Sahih al-Bukhari (English)
Hadith: 9.329, Kitabul Ahkam.

Sahih al-Bukhari (Arabic)
4:165, Kitabul Ahkam.
Hadith #6682 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)

Read what Sahih Muslim has to say about them…
The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: “The affairs of people will continue to be conducted (well) as long as they are governed by the twelve men, all of them from Quraysh.”
Sahih Muslim (Arabic version)
Kitab al-Imaara,
1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia,
v3, p1453, Tradition #6
Sahih Muslim, (English version)
Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraysh and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraysh),
v3, p1010, Tradition #4478
Hadith #3394 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)

Now get the hint Mr… From the hadith above..There are 12 Imams we follow as Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. mentioned..than there are people who made 4 imam..none of them were there during the time of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. than there are people who made Agha Khan as their Imam…and there are some people like you who even draw the line further and take Pervez Musharraf and Mia Shawkat Aziz as their Imams… Now figure out whose Imam are inviting to hell… By the way here is my sixth question.
6. How does your logic exactly works… Are you gonna go with Benazir , Nawaz Sharief and Shawkat Aziz all of them .. if they all had been your imam.. or you get a choice???

[Texan_Dude]

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@asayb

2. After Hazrat Husain almost 1400 years has past how many imam had came for the guidenes of people?

Altogether 12 Imam… Imam Hussain A.S is the third one and Imam Mahdi A.S. is the last one.

[Dimagh_HotaToNa]

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A well written article I must say! How pathetic can it get that you guys are still trying to defend each other where someone with more knowledge has been trying to sort out the differenes between the two. You and the hypocrite politicians out there are no different!

[asayb]

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Dimagh_HotaToNa
thank you for your comment as masterofall240 says i am not making any sense with your comment my comments does make sence.

this is my last comment in this thread. i also pray for you Shias go with your 12 Imams (Where i dont know)

One day We shall call every group of people by their respective Imams. (Quran 17:71)

yes you right Texan_Dude i am such an idiot what iam saying about this Ayat.

let us say "Imam" her is means 12 Imams of shia then questions are.

1. the people before Hazrat Ali with which Imam they will be group.
2. Texan_Dude as you said " Inshallah us shia will go with our 12 Imams and Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H....Ameen" acroding to this ayat as your faith you shold be behind one IMAM not all of them and there is no mention of any prophet. this ayat does match with your 12 Imams profile.

In this ayat "Imam" means Prophets as we all know Allah has sent every nation a prophet till Huzrat Muhammed (SAWW) so people will be called by Allah by there respective Prophets.

"And We ASSIGNED from among them some Imams who GUIDE by Our authority since they were patient and believed firmly in Our Signs." (Quran 32:24)

" And We appointed, from among them, leaders, giving guidance under Our command, so long as they persevered with patience and continued to have faith in Our Signs. (Quran 32:24)"

Here "Imam" or "leader" means again"Prophets" only prophets are been given guidance by Allah. at time of Prophet Muhmmad(SAWW) there were three Imams Accroding to shia faith and there is no prove of any that Hazrat Ali, Hazrat Husain and Hazrat Hasan were been guided by Allah.

one thing i dint under stand about thses people who wrote Hadis
look at that eg. which Texan_Dude give ""There will be twelve commanders (Amir)." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, the Prophet added, "All of them will be from Quraysh."

why dint he asked from any other person to complete this hadis or why he dint ask from Prophet Muhamed(SAWW) again about it.

and Texan_Dude reffrence you gave me to prove your Imams still does not fit on your 12 Imams.
where is that 12th imam?

so best of luck with your 12 Imams.

[Texan_Dude]

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@asayb

i also pray for you Shias go with your 12 Imams (Where i dont know) .

** i also pray for you Shias go with your 12 Imams… Inshallah to Heaven…Ameen**

@asayb

One day We shall call every group of people by their respective Imams. (Quran 17:71)

yes you right Texan_Dude i am such an idiot what iam saying about this Ayat.

let us say “Imam” her is means 12 Imams of shia then questions are.

1. the people before Hazrat Ali with which Imam they will be group.

Read the hadith of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. along with references.
The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hp) said:
“Fourteen thousand years before Adam, upon whom be peace, was created, I and Ali were a light in the presence of God. When God created Adam, upon whom be peace, He divided it into two parts. I am one of the parts and Ali is the other part.”

Sunni Refernces:

1. Al Muhibb al Tabari narrates this tradition on the authority of Salman (RA) from the Prophet (pbuh&hp) in al Riyad al Nadirah, ii, 163:
2. Ahmad ibn Hanbal in al Fada’il;
3. Sibt ibn al Jawzi in Tadhkirat Al­khawass, 46;
4. Abu Hatim Muhammad ibn Idris al Razi in Zayn al Fata fi tafsir Surat Hal ata, MS.; 5. Abd Allah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal in Zawaid manaqib Amir al Muminin, MS.,
5. This tradition has also been narrated by also Ibn Mardawayh, Ibn Abd al Barr, al Khatib al Baghdadi, Ibn al Maghazili, al-Asimi, Shiruyah al Daylami and others from Imam Ali (AS), Salman (RA), Abu Dharr (RA), Anas ibn Malik (RA), Jabir ibn Abd Allah (RA) and other Companions.
   http://www.shianews.com/hi/articles/islam/0000156.php

@asayb

2. Texan_Dude as you said " Inshallah us shia will go with our 12 Imams and Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H…Ameen" acroding to this ayat as your faith you shold be behind one IMAM not all of them and there is no mention of any prophet.
   this ayat does match with your 12 Imams profile.

Brother we shias believe in all 12 Imams the same way we believe on all the Prophets along with Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. some people were there during Maula Ali A.S. some people were there during Imam Hussain A.S. and currently the Imam is Imam Mahdi… people who take them as their Imams are shias..thats why I said INSHALLAH WE SHIAS WILL GO WITH OUR 12 IMAMS with Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H… as far as Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. is concerned let me give you hadith of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. and than figure out who should Prophet MOhammad P.B.U.H. would be with…
The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hp) said:

“Verily, Ali and I are inseparable, and he is the master (wali) of every believer after me.”

Sunni Refernces:

1. Al Tirmidhi, in his Sahih, ii, 297,
2. Ahmad ibn Hanbal in his Musnad, iv, 437, v, 356;
3. Abu Dawud al Tayalisi in his Musnad, iii, 111, xi, 360;
4. al Haythami, Majma al Zawaid, ix, 109, 127, 128, 199;
5. al Khatib al Baghdadi, Tarikh Baghdad, iv, 339;
6. al Muhibb al Tabari, al Riyad al Nadirah, ii, 203, 171;
7. al Muttaqi al Hindi, Kanz al Ummal, vi, 154, 155, 396, 401;
8. Ibn al Athir in Usd al Ghabah, v, 94;
9. Abu Nuaym in Hilyat al Awliya, vi, 294;
10. al Nasa’i, Khasais, 19, 23;
11. as well as Ibn Abi Shaybah, al Tabari, al Tabarani, al ?Daylami, Ibn Mardawayh, Ibn al Jawzi, al Rafii, and Ibn Hajar.

Here is another hadith…
"For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla)
http://www.al-islam.org/ghadir/

@asayb

one thing i dint under stand about thses people who wrote Hadis
look at that eg. which Texan_Dude give "“There will be twelve commanders (Amir).” He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, the Prophet added, “All of them will be from Quraysh.”

why dint he asked from any other person to complete this hadis or why he dint ask from Prophet Muhamed(SAWW) again about it..

HMMM for your question… why didn’t he asked from any other person to complete hadith…
WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR POINT MR… YOU WOULD TRUST ANYOTHER PERSON NEXT TO YOU OVER YOUR DAD…???
HMM and as far as why he didn’t ask from Prophet MOhammad P.B.U.H… let me ask you a question .. lets say if you are in a big procession..or lets say on a jumma sermon… and the Maulvi says something..that you didn’t hear it properly..would you in a crowd of 100’s of people…stop maulvi and ask him or probably ask your dad or whoever is close to you???

@asayb

and Texan_Dude reffrence you gave me to prove your Imams still does not fit on your 12 Imams.
where is that 12th imam?

Incase you don’t know the name of the 12th Imam is Imam Mohammad Mehdi A.S. No one knows exactly where he is at right now and no one knows exactly when will he appear in public… but Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. has mentioned about him and there are alot of predictions… here are a couple of hadith of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H.

The following are only some of the traditions about Imam al-Mahdi which Sunnis admit to their authenticity and existence:The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: “Even if the entire duration of the world’s existence has already been exhausted and only one day is left (before the day of judgment), Allah will expand that day to such a length of time, as to accommodate the kingdom of a person from my Ahlul-Bayt who will be called by my name. He will fill out the earth with peace and justice as it will have been full of injustice and tyranny (by then).”

Go to the following websitef or references.
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter2/2.html

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: “The Mahdi will appear in my Ummah. He will appear for a minimum of 7 or a maximum of 9 years; at that time, my Ummah will experience a bountiful favor like never before. It shall have a great abundance of food, of which it need not save anything, and the wealth at that time is in great quantities, such that if a man asks the Mahdi to give him some, and the Mahdi (AS) will say: Here! Take!”

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: “We (I and my family) are members of a household that Allah (SWT) has chosen for them the life of the Hereafter over the life of this world; and the members of my household (Ahlul-Bayt) shall suffer a great affliction and they shall be forcefully expelled from their homes after my death; then there will come people from the East carrying black flags, and they will ask for some good to be given to them, but they shall be refused service; as such, they will wage war and emerge victorious, and will be offered that which they desired in the first place, but they will refuse to accept it till they pass it to a man from my family (Ahlul-Bayt) appears to fill the Earth with justice as it has been filled with corruption. So whoever reaches that (time) ought to come to them even if crawling on the ice/snow since among them is the Vice-regent of Allah (Khalifatullah) al-Mahdi.”
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter2/2.html

[Texan_Dude]

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Aisyb by no means I want to offend you.. I am sorry if I did... The whole reason I am debating with you because you are full of rumors on shiasm..which you never gave references too and spread them blindly and could have misled alot of people....

Keeping all the anger aside.. For once think about the questions I asked you cold heartedly... Question like how does the ayat I quoted like you said it was a question on what context was it a question ... and who is it asking..... Think about it.... I made it quite clear from my previous post we don't believe nauzubillah Allah is the protector of quran and thats why I made it clear there aren't different versions of Quran like bible.... You accused shias for believing that nauzubillah we believe some ayats on Imam Mahdi are removied or something...which ofcourse you never gave references too...

You said Nauzubillah Imam Hussain A.S. was not able to defend Islam from yazeed..when I asked you why is Yazeed not regarded as Ameer ul Momineen... as people before him who came to khilfat??? you didn't have a answer..?

Think about it cold heartedly... and please stop spreading any unreferenced rumors.... You'll have to answer Allah SWT one day.

May Allah help us all follow the right path..Ameen

[Texan_Dude]

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[zamaroudzenith]

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asayb,
If you know any better than others you must guide them instead of putting fire every time and keep on changing your straight questions to entangle the replies of others. Right thing would have been you you would have written sorah ul kafaroun. Do you all believe in it or not? If yes, then full stop, no need of any further argument or wasting time.