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Re: Some common misconceptions about Shi’ism(merged)
oh yes about "mutah" Temporary marriage.
Shia's concepet about "Mutha" is not Temporary marriage its you fix time and charge with any girl for relationship and it would be Halal.
this what they mean by "Mutha"
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You are forgetting the Fatwa renewd by Imam Khumini in 1982. And I have seen it with my eyes in 1995 when I visited Imam Musa Kazim in Mashad and could not beleive in my eyes.
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another idiotic statement by an idiotic sunni
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I don’t know of this fatwa, nor do I care for it.
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Didn’t Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. said excuse my words I don’t remember the exact words I am no alim or maulana, The relation of mine with Ali is the same as Haroon to Musa. The only difference is there won’t be any Prophet after me…
You want to compare Hazrat Ali A.S. with Hazrat Omar.
** Tell me who has the honor to born in the house of God(Qaba).**
** Tell me who was honored with sword (Zulfiqar) by Allah SWT**
** Tell me who slept on the bed of Propeht Mohammad P.B.U.H. on the night of Hijrat.s**
** Tell me which of his companion did Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. take in Mubahila.. when he was asked to curse on liars.**
** Tell me who had the honor to perform the funeral services of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H.**
** Tell me who was the Alamdar of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. who let to the victory in Khyber.**
** Tell me who was the only Companion of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. who stood against Umar Ibne Abduwad in the battle of Khandaq.**
** Tell me who stood by Prophet MOhammad P.B.U.H. till the end in the battle of Ohad.**
** Tell me who was chosen to be the son in law of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H.**
Just shows how ignorant you are… No shia doubts in the authenticity of Quran… Allah is the protector and that is the reason there aren’t any other versions of Quran out there like Bible… And if you don’t agree if Quran is not compiled in the order it was revealed… may be you can use your scholarly knowledge to explain this talib-e-Ilm… why is the following ayat is in 5:3 and not all the way in the end
“Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion.” (Qur’an 5:3)
Considering Quran is compiled in the order it was revealed why is not this ayat towards the end…Does it mean to sunnis… Islam was completed in verse 5:3… what does rest of the ayats mean to you than?
I don’t want to degrade any sahaba but its amazing like you said “Sahaba” prayed to Allah for shadat… but from what I know about Khandaq… no one else besides Maula Ali A.S stood up when Prophet asked three times who will fight Umar Ibne Abduwad… Anywayzz thats not my point… Like you said Shadat is the greatest gift of Allah.. I don’t want to disagree with you… but can you explain… why do we celebrate Bakar Eid rather than mourn.. Hazrat Ismail was so close to getting the so called greatest gift of Allah S.W.T. why not mourn rather than celebrate Hazrat Ismail not getting this greatest gift…
Crying on the Incident of Kerbala is not just about shadat of Imam Hussain… when asked by Imam Zain ul Abideen A.S.. he said his suffering was most during Shaam..where the grand daughters of Propeht Mohammad P.B.U.H. were roamed around without chadar… such a sad incident… Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. who is our beloved Prophet .. his family was killed with 3 days of hunger and thirst. After his shadat the ladies of his family were taken around the street of koofa and shaam without rida… you want us to love Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H and celebrate rather than mourn on such a sad day of Islamic history ?
Can you tell me did Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. take out processions, with green flags on 12 of Rabiul Awal… has he mentioned it any where? Its amazing sunni believe Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. was born and died on the same day but they celebrate the wiladat… rather than mourn on such a big loss.
The year Hazrat Abu Talib A.S and Hazrat Khadeeja died… didn’t Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. sorrowed for a whole year…known as Youm-e-Huzn.
You need to learn alot more about muttah before commenting… its like a temporary marriage… which was practiced during the time of Prophet… if you get in detail..there is a lot to it… the haqooq of each other… haq mehar… wat about kids born from the practice.the wirasat…there is no way u can link it to prostitution or something… if the concept of temporary marriage was not allowed in islam can you explain me what do youc all the clause of divorce… wat if someone marries a woman… and after a week give her haq mehar and divorce… now wat would you call that.
Go and learn about things before you start using these forums to spread rumors… Talking about religon is a sensitive issue.. and make sure you know what you are talking about… I have read a number of things in this forums that are about shiasm..and most of them are just rumors… Which disappoints me most.. people here are so good in spreading rumors..without looking into its authenticity..you hear from someone and boom..Its gotta be rite… and they call themselves muslims…and what saddens me the most if its because of the rumors spread by these kinds of people…shias specially in pakistan eventhough a minority they are victim of sunni terrorism… its amazing how many sister have been widowed and kids are being orphaned because of such rumors out there… I have had someone send me this link where it talked about nauzubillah shia doubting the Prophet hood of Mohammad… quran and god knows wat and at the end its asked to help them join this war against shiasm or something eventhough i don’t recall any single thing i read on the site was correct or is being practiced.. and even killing others is not the teaching of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. a lady used to throw stones at Prophet he never ordered to kill her but went for her ayadat when she was sick..these are the teaching and sunnah of my beloved Prophet P.B.U.H. Let Allah SWT be the judge… Please if you guys have any thing productive to say give references… I just read a post earlier by ArMughal claiming shias don’t pay zakat..without any references to book where the teaching of Zakat is prohibited in shiasm.. we do, its just we don’t brag than give.
I am sorry if I offended anyone.. I didn’t intend too…
May Allah forgive us for our sins and help us all follow the Right path…Ameen
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"Didn't Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. said excuse my words I don't remember the exact words I am no alim or maulana"
once again example of making Islam a Property of alims and mulas.
I am not aganist Hazrat Ali or any other sahaba. Islam does not see who is born where who is who's son or doughter or who married to whom, its a faith how much faith he/she has.
that is why Hazrat Omer is the first one was given "Bsharet" in his life that he will goto heaven.
This is not i am saying about tempring in Quran its your Shia brothers and alims had told me. the real Quran is with Imam Mahdi not only Quran also Turat, Zabur and Ingeel all Four Allah's books in correct order with out any editing done.
now to claim imam mahdi has all four holy books untempred and also claim that the Quran which we have now is also correct then i dont know what else to say.
You Shia also claim that there was mention of Imam Mehdi in Quran and it was edited by Hazrat Omer.
"Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion." (Qur'an 5:3)
i think first you have to learn how this Quran was assambled.
About Baker Eid it was not Hazrat Ibrahim asked his son Hazrat Ismail that he wants to sacrifice for Allah because he wants to make Allah happy. It was the test from Allah to Hazrat Ibrahim that how much he obey Allah. It was Allah who replase Hazrat Ismail when Hazrat Ibrhim was going to sacrifice him with the goat.
Now if you to Manipulate it in your faver then i cant do any thing about it.
only i will see what Our Prophet Muhammed (SAW) say about this day. he(SAW) celebarate this day as Baker eid. so we are following him.
"Can you tell me did Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. take out processions, with green flags on 12 of Rabiul Awal... has he mentioned it any where"
first of all i dont say my self as suni because i know our Prophet Muhmmad (SAW) was not from any group he was just muslim and so do I.
There lots of other things which suni or other groups do which i totally disagree like going to Mazar, Dargahs celebrating OORS singing qwalis making and wearing Tawiz.
these are those commen things which people do and i totally disagree with them because Prophet Muhmmad(SAW) had never done these things.
"The year Hazrat Abu Talib A.S and Hazrat Khadeeja died... didn't Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. sorrowed for a whole year...known as Youm-e-Huzn."
Prophet Muhammed(SAW) had never done any thing what he has said us to do and he(SAW) dint do it by him self.
about "muta" yes i think i am wrong about it. but there is this thing you shias do " fix time and charge with any girl for relationship and it would be Halal" there is another word for this i forgot it but it is there in your shia religion.
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In Sahih Bukhari
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 369:
Narrated Muhammad bin Sirin:
One of the sons of Um 'Atiyya died, and when it was the third day she asked for a yellow perfume and put it over her body, and said, “We were forbidden to mourn for more than three days except for our husbands.”
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 375:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Ubaidullah bin Abi Mulaika:
One of the daughters of 'Uthman died at Mecca. We went to attend her funeral procession. Ibn 'Umar and Ibn Abbas were also present. I sat in between them (or said, I sat beside one of them. Then a man came and sat beside me.) 'Abdullah bin 'Umar said to 'Amr bin 'Uthman, “Will you not prohibit crying as Allah’s Apostle has said, 'The dead person is tortured by the crying of his relatives.?” Ibn Abbas said, “Umar used to say so.” Then he added narrating, "I accompanied Umar on a journey from Mecca till we reached Al-Baida. There he saw some travelers in the shade of a Samura (A kind of forest tree). He said (to me), “Go and see who those travelers are.” So I went and saw that one of them was Suhaib. I told this to 'Umar who then asked me to call him. So I went back to Suhaib and said to him, “Depart and follow the chief of the faithful believers.” Later, when 'Umar was stabbed, Suhaib came in weeping and saying, “O my brother, O my friend!” (on this 'Umar said to him, "O Suhaib! Are you weeping for me while the Prophet said, “The dead person is punished by some of the weeping of his relatives?” Ibn Abbas added, “When 'Umar died I told all this to Aisha and she said, 'May Allah be merciful to Umar. By Allah, Allah’s Apostle did not say that a believer is punished by the weeping of his relatives. But he said, Allah increases the punishment of a non-believer because of the weeping of his relatives.” Aisha further added, "The Quran is sufficient for you (to clear up this point) as Allah has stated: ‘No burdened soul will bear another’s burden.’ " (35.18). Ibn Abbas then said, “Only Allah makes one laugh or cry.” Ibn Umar did not say anything after that.
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 377:
Narrated Abu Burda:
That his father said, “When Umar was stabbed, Suhaib started crying: O my brother! 'Umar said, ‘Don’t you know that the Prophet said: The deceased is tortured for the weeping of the living’?”
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 379:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar from his father:
The Prophet said, “The deceased is tortured in his grave for the wailing done over him.”
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 382:
Narrated 'Abdullah:
the Prophet said, “He who slaps his cheeks, tears his clothes and follows the ways and traditions of the Days of Ignorance is not one of us.”
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And where did I say islam is a property of alims and mulas… .. care to explain how did your brain jump to this conclusion out of no where… We all are muslims.. Islam is meant for all of us to follow..all i was trying to say…even though I am a follower of islam..by knowledge is limited… I am like an ordinary follower unlike scholars who have spend their lives researching..and therefore its a big responsibility to talk on such sensitive topic, you don’t want to fool around or mis guide someone and I hope I didn’t … i wanted to distinguish myself by other guppies..who protray they are scholars and know everything and spread rumors like nothing on sensitive issues of islam. Care to share light where did you jump to the conclusion above..or its a tactic to start another negative propoganda against me by manipulating things outta no where..
Care to give references to this bsharet thing you just mentioned about… So let me get this straight.. Borning in the House of God (Qaba) doesn’t mean anything to you… how many people get the honor to be borned in pious places like this???
Ok Fine… how about awarded a sword (Zulfiqar) from Allah SWT… does that mean anyting to you Mr/Mrs who ever you are… how many other companions of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. you know have such honor… How many companions got the honor to go with Prophet MOhammad P.B.U.H. in mubahile when it was asked to curse on liars… why did Propeht chose Hazrat Ali A.S and not Hazrat Umar if his faith was so high… talking about his leadership..guess what Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. said about Maula Ali A.S.
"For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla).
**"**If you need references you can browse to the following website… to please you heart.
www.al-islam.org/ghadir
If you want to learn more about what some of your authentic sources have to say about Maula ali A.S. read the following article.
http://www.shianews.com/hi/articles/islam/0000156.php
You want to talk about bisharat … let me quote you what bisharat did Prophet Mohamamd P.B.U.H. gave to Imam Hussain A.S.
Tradition The Messenger of Allah said: “Al-Hasan and al-Husain are the chiefs of the youth of Paradise and Fatimah is the chief of their women.”
Sunni references:
- Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p660, on the authority of Abu Sa’id and Hudhayfa
- Sunan Ibn Majah, Introduction 8
- Al-Tabarani, on the authorities of: Umar, Ali, Jabir, Abu Hurayrah, Usamah Ibn Zaid, al-Baraa, Ibn 'Adi, and Ibn Masud.
- Al-Kubra, by al-Nisa’i
- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, pp 62,82, v3, pp 3,64, v5, p391
- Fada’il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Hanbal, v2, p771, Tradition (7) al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, pp 166,167
- Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu’aym, v5, p71
- Majma’ al-Zawa’id, by al-Haythami, v9, p187
- Tuhfatul Ashraf, by Lumzi, v3, p31
- Ibn Habban, as mentioned in al-Mawarid, pp 551,553
- al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami, Ch. 11, section 3, p290
- Mishkat al-Masabih, by Khatib al-Tabrizi, English Version, Tdadition
http://www.shianews.com/hi/articles/islam/0000070.php
Outta curosity you just said Islam doesnot care who married whom… than why do you guys call the wives of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. umull momineen when like you said Islam doesnot care who married whom?
Ok lets not start twisting facts here… let me quote what you said earlier to slander shias
Didn’t I clarify the following:
Just shows how ignorant you are… No shia doubts in the authenticity of Quran… Allah is the protector and that is the reason there aren’t any other versions of Quran out there like Bible… And if you don’t agree if Quran is not compiled in the order it was revealed… may be you can use your scholarly knowledge to explain this talib-e-Ilm… why is the following ayat is in 5:3 and not all the way in the end
“Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion.” (Qur’an 5:3)
Considering Quran is compiled in the order it was revealed why is not this ayat towards the end…Does it mean to sunnis… Islam was completed in verse 5:3… what does rest of the ayats mean to you than?
Care to answer the question above before you go on carrying your propoganda to spread false rumors about shiasm…so ito you only ayats till 5:3 are enough to complete islam or is it you who is doubting Allah as protector of quran and accusing shias whereas i made it clear … we belive quran is protected by Allah and that is why there aren’t any edited versions out there… May be the quran and books you mentioned about with Imam Mahdi… they are the books that might be compiled in the order they are revealed… nothing has been added or removed from Quran its just not in the order it was revealed as far as other books of Allah SWT are concerned there are alot of versions out there.. and I won’t be suprised if Imam Mahdi A.S. bring the original versions revealed by Allah SWT…
Another false accusation without any authentic references like several other rumors out there… I wonder to muslims like you is it permissible to spread rumors without any witness or proper referencing.. is that some sunnah of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. you are following???
I am glad I was able to clarify you about it..as far the stuff you are talking about… go read on temporary marriage in my post earlier and I hope it will help clarify things more.
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Ok you have me all confused here… Let me quote two things you just mentioned.
At one place you mentioned that its Allah SWT who makes one cry and on the other side you said Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. asked not to mourn on the deceased? why would he stop someone when like you said Its Allah SWT who makes one cry?
Hazrat Owais Karni… please excuse me if I didn’t spell his name right. Anyways when this companion of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. find out that Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. lost his teeth in the battle of Ohad, he broke all his teeth in love of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. why didn’t Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. comdem such practice… Isn’t it Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. who said
“Husain is from me and I am from Husain.”
Sunni references:
- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v4, p172
- Fadha’il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Hanbal, v2, p772, Tradition (3) al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p 177
- Amali, by Abu Nu’aym al-Isbahani, p 64
- al-Kuna wal Asmaa, by al-Dulabi, v1, p88
val-Tabarani, v3, p21 - Adab by al-Bukhari, also al-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah, as quoted in:
- al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami, Ch. 11, section 3, p291
- Mishkat al-Masabih, by Khatib al-Tabrizi, English Version, Tdadition
“He who loves al-Hasan and al-Husain, loved me, and he who makes them angry has made me angry.”
Sunni reference:
- Sunan Ibn Majah,
- Al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, from Abu Hurairah
- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, as quoted in:
- Al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami, Ch. 11, section 3, p292
Sheikh Abdul Haq Mohaddis Hanafi Dehlavi who is regarded as one of the greatest Scholars of the Sunni Sect, describing the events at the fatal illnes of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) in his book ‘Modaarejun Nubuwwat’ vol II page 544 records:-
“Bilal emerged beating his head and loudly wailing (from the room of Aisha).”
Even in this case none of the companions raised any objection at the action of Bilal, the special Muezzin of the Prophet (s.a.w). Moreover, the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) was yet alive and not dead. This is the extreme extent of grief. Then how can similar action for Imam Hussain (a.s) be prohibited?
Go to the following link if you want to read why mourning on Imam Hussain A.S. is not bidat.. It has references to the incidents from Sunni books.
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It's really ironic.
Hazrat Ibrahim (a.s.) kay baytay pay churee chalna walee thee or Hazrat Jabreel nay a kay bola kay tum kaamjaab ho gai etc Or iss sislay kee yaad manai jatee hai har saal - Bakra Eid.
Or jis pay churee chal gai us kee yaad pay aetaraz hai?
When Hazrat Ibrahim's (a.s.) infant son was thirsty in the desert. How her mom ran here and there to search water for him. And then Hazrat Jabreel came and out came gushing the zam zam water. Khatay hain kay Hajj mokamil nahin hotay jab taak un kee yaad mein safa or marwa mein fast walk kee na jai.
Or jis kee payas khanjar say bujai gai us maan or baat ka haal? Un kee yaad mein ronay pay bhee aetaraz hai?
I don't remember the exact words. But once some one said to Imam Zainul Abideen (a.s.) {who cried his whole life after Karbala} "Shahadat is for your household, why do you stil cry?" Imam (a.s.) replied "You did not see what I saw".
asayb.....You should take some time to read all the events that took place in Karbala, Sham and Kufa, the people involved in it, the circumstances surrounding it.
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"Husain is from me and I am from Husain."
does not make them Prohpet or something. and i am not saying any thing which go aganist them. even that does not make them beyond Hadis, sunah or Quran.
there are lots of things which "Sahaba" did aganist Hadis and Sunah that does not mean that we should also do the same after all they were not Prophets angels. and we are only asked to follow Prophet muhammed (SAWW) not Shabas.
I heave read and leasten to this tragic event of karbla many times.
i will continue later......
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and who said Imam Husain A.S. is Prophet… He is our Imam..the defender of islam.. and history is the witness whenever Islam was in trouble… it was Imam who stood up… a simple example Hazrat Ali A.S. was the only one to stand up against Umar Ibne Abduwad in the battle of khandaq… when khilafat came in the hands of people like Yazeed it was Imam Hussain A.S. who stood up against him and sacrificed his whole family in the way of Allah… anywayzz I am still waiting for the question i rasied in the previous two threads… care to shed light on them.
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[there are lots of things which "Sahaba" did aganist Hadis and Sunah ]
But I thought all sahaba were good. Are you saying that some sahaba were sinful? also, were any of those sahaba that did things against Hadis and Sunah included in saqifa? just wondering.
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When was Mutah practiced by Prophet Muhammad and when did he allow it? I have seen documentary featuring Iran where people are allowed to get married for 6 months to half an hour? If this is happening in a state allowed by the law how can you say that it is discouraged?
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"Considering Quran is compiled in the order it was revealed why is not this ayat towards the end...Does it mean to sunnis... Islam was completed in verse 5:3... what does rest of the ayats mean to you than? "
As we all know Allah is a protector of quran himself there no dought about that. its Allah's will that what Quran we have and in what sequance its in.
If you all have any dought of Allah's claim of protection of Quran in any way either there are some missing "Ayat" or in a squences, then your not objecting any group of islam your are objecting Allah"
Texan_Dude
the things you have asked me. i will only give you one answar no matter what Prophet Muhammed(SAWW) has said about Hazrat Ali and his sons they do not go beyond Prophet Muhammed (SAWW) Sunnah and Hadis.
and the refrence your are giveing about these mullanas they are not prophets that what they writtin is becom some kind of word of Allah and we cannot object on it.
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"At one place you mentioned that its Allah SWT who makes one cry and on the other side you said Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. asked not to mourn on the deceased? why would he stop someone when like you said Its Allah SWT who makes one cry?"
its not i am saying its Ahdis and what you are trying to say these are all wrong? and in these "Ahdis" is there some where written you shold mourn every year.
and what do you think Hazrat Husan was embraced shahadt or he was just died?
and about you said romers all these things are told me none other then you shia brothers.
"IMAM" as far as i know "Imam" means the person who lead Namaz and other muslim follow him as we call Namaz Ba Jmat.
"Imam" as a protector of islam i have heard it before this first time i got chance to ask from you shia, is this mentioned some where in Quran?
about Gazwa khandq, tell me who dig those khandaq's only Prophet Mohammed (SAWW) and Hazrat Ali(AS) and what about other shabas they all jest said " sorry Prophet Muhammed (SAWW) we are not with you in this battle and you are your own"
you people talk unbelievable things when kofar was going to attack muslim in madina one of shaba (which i forgot his name) give an idea of diging khandqas which Prophet muhmmad(SAWW) liked the idea and implement it, and as far as i know all shahbas toke part in this.
and other thing it was only Gazwa Khandq when Islam was in trouble what about gazwa Badar Gazwa Ohad.
Above is mentioned that "IMAM" means is protector of islam and History is witness that when Islam was in trouble Imam came and protect islam, what about event of Karbla if Hazrat Hussan was protector of islam why he was unable to protect the islam from Yazed.
What about in Time of "Changaz Khan" when he broutly killed lots of muslims and Islam was in trouble which IMAM came to protect Islam, then when Islam was in trouble in spain which IMAM came there to protect Islam and about history of subcontinent when muslims where in trouble Which Imam came then to protect Islam and what about now we are in trouble who will come to protect us now?
Its not Islam in trouble its muslim who gets in trouble because they dont follow the path of Prophet Muhammed(SAWW). Islam cannot get in trouble as long as as Quran is protected by Allah.
(Please Allah forgive me if i have said some thing wrong)
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MAKRANI
"But thought all sahaba were good. Are you saying that some sahaba were sinful? also, were any of those sahaba that did things against Hadis and Sunah included in saqifa? just wondering."
They were sahabas they were not angels that they cannot do sins one example has given by "Texan_Dude" of Hazrat Billal.
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Hey you guys, thankyou for posting. I didn't know much about Shiite Muslims until after reading this thread, and I'm glad I read the truth behind such myths. :)
I have a question. Can you all post a bit more about what Shiites say about human sacrifices, worshipping the dead, or hurting oneself for the "sake" of a Prophet.
^^ If any of that is not true within the Shiite community, then please forgive me :(.Just tryna learn.
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Hey what about Misyar in sunni Islam, widely practiced in Saudi Arab , Egypt and Syria?
According to a “very knowledgeable” (ahhmmm) guppy :
Read the whole post here.
Read more on Misyar Click Here.
Can you provide us any Quranic proof or any hadith regarding Misyar? Check the links given below and learn how shia defend them selves and prove the Muta’h from Quran and hadith.
Bismah, althogh I highly doubt it but if you are really interested in learning about the facts on Muta’h, who forbade it and why? weather it was practiced in Rasool’s (saww) life or not? then check the following links.
Temporary Marriage in Islam:
Part 1: Evidences From Quran and the Sunni Commentaries
Part 2: Evidences From the Sunni Hadith Collections
Part 3: Evidences From the Sunni History/Fiqh/Misc. Books
Part 4: Some Contradicting Reports
Part 5: Purpose of Marriage; Prohibition of Illegal Sex & Alcohol
Part 6: Similarities and Differences of Mut’a and Regular Marriage
Part 7: The Necessities and the Advantages of Mut’a
Part 8: Some Frequently Asked Questions on Mut’a
Another fine Article on Muta’h:
The Marriage of Mut’ah
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Asayb… why do you keep going in circles ignoring the question I asked and keep asking the same things again and again… Incase you are having trouble.. let me number my questions for you…
1. Aren’t you the one who said not believing the quran is in correct sequence is like doubting on Allah SWT as the protector even though I kinda made it clear no shia doubts in Allah SWT as the protector and therefore there aren’t any other versions of Quran out there like bible but asked you if Quran is in the sequence why is the ayat indicated below is not towards the End
“Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion.” (Qur’an 5:3)
Now if this ayat is in Chapter 5, Is only the ayats upto chapter 5 significant for you..since Islam was complete… or rather than us its you doubting the authenticity of Quran… Rather than answering my question you keep accusing us… I asked you for reference about the thing you said that shia believes some ayats on Imam Mahdi being removed… We don’t believe any ayat in the Quran is removed and I made it clear but rather than answering my question you went out saying if you guys doubt the ayat are missing we about doubting Allah… care to give references of where did you learn that from… and if there was any such thing its got to be dhaef because it contradicts the ayat… so please give me references before you make such a claim… or is it one of those other rumors you have been spreading on your agenda to slader shias without any references… if it is so… May Allah give you ajjar for it. if you think its a good deed .. Ameen..because you are trying to mislead other fellow guppies with rumors you yourself never gave references too ..
2. You said Islam doesnot care who married who… Based on the light of the argument… Are the wives of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. Ummul Momineen… since Like YOU (NOT SHIAS) said Islam doesnot care who married who.
3. And did I say the above hadith are wrong… You gave two hadith and I asked you a question just so I can get better interpretation of it… Does it mean I am denying the hadith… Now to you If a shia ask a question to interpret a hadith does it mean he is denying it??? Is that how it works in islam never try to ask question to get a better understanding of something or is it a part of you motto to slander shias..???
**Oh! so all these rumors you have been spreading are things you have heard from shia brothers rather than reading for yourself in book… Was there just one shia brother or two ADIL Witness who claim to have been taught or read this teaching in a book??? WHAT A GOOD JOB SPREADING RUMORS MAN !!! I don’t know if I should pray to Allah to give you some Taqwa or pray to Allah give you Ajjar for it… **
May Allah guide the people you might have misled with your rumors and save them for your shar in future and teach you a bit of Taqwa..Ameen
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4. Just for the sake of getting a better understanding so please don’t use it against me to spread rumors…but I have a question…
So if Imam is the person who leads namaaz… Imam Shafai, Imam Malaiki and Imam Hanafi are no better than the maulvi at mosque or are they???
By the way besides defending Islam they are also a source of guidance after Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H.
Hmm Ayats on Imam… here are a few i found on www.al-islam.org](http://www.al-islam.org/) feel free to verify them…
Certainly, being the members of the parties of such Satanic Imams has been severely denounced in Quran, and the followers of such parties will meet the fate of their leaders. However, Quran also reminds that there are Imams who are appointed by Allah as Guides for the mankind:“And We ASSIGNED from among them some Imams who GUIDE by Our authority since they were patient and believed firmly in Our Signs.” (Quran 32:24) On the other hand, if one becomes the Shia a tyrant or a wrong-doer, he shall meet with the fate of his leader. In fact, Quran indicates that on the day of Judgment people will come in groups, and each group has its leader in front of it. Allah, to whom belong Might and Majesty, said: One day We shall call every group of people by their respective Imams. (Quran 17:71) In the day of judgment, the destiny of the “followers” of each group highly depends on the destiny of his Imam (provided that they really followed that Imam). Allah mentioned in Quran that there are two types of Imams. Some Imams are those who invite people to Hell fire. They are tyrannical leaders of each era (like Pharaoh, etc.): **And We made them (but) Imams inviting to the Fire; and on the Day of Judgment no help shall they find. In this world We continued to curse them; and on the Day of Judgment they will be among the hateful. (Quran 28:41-42). **
Certainly, the true followers (Shia) of these Imams will be the real prosperous on the day of resurrection. Thus being a Shia does not mean anything, unless we know the Shia of whom. Allah mentioned in Quran that Some of His righteous servants were Shia of His other righteous servants. An example was Prophet Abraham who was mentioned in Quran specifically as the Shia of Noah:[indent]“And most surely Abraham was among the Shia of him (i.e., Noah)” (Quran 37:83)
[indent]“And he (Moses) went into the city at a time when people (of the city) were not watching, so he found therein two men fighting, one being of his Shia and the other being his enemy, and the one who was of his Shia cried out to him for help against the one who was of his enemy” (Quran 28:15)
In the above verse of Quran, one is named the Shia of Moses (AS) and the other one is named the enemy of Moses, and the people at that time were either the Shia or the enemy of Moses (AS). Thus Shia is an official word used by Allah in His Quran for His high rank prophets as well as their followers. Do you want to say Prophet Abraham was sectarian? How about Prophet Noah and Prophet Moses?
Above ayats were taken from the following website…there are also hadith with sunni references if you want to look at it.
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/
The incident I was referring it too was after the khandaq was digged and Umar Ibne Abduwad crossed the khandaq and started insulting Islam… Holy Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. asked three times and Only time Maula Ali A.S. was the only one who stood up… and no I don’t have any references on it at the moment. I can try to look up for references if you want me too.
Since you asked for it.. Gazwa Ohad is the Gazwa where Imam Ali A.S. was awarded sword (Zulfiqar) from Allah SWT… He was there with the Prophet…even though some of his companions left him for Maal-e-Ganimaat…
Again this is what I have learn’t but have no references.. so feel free to open your books and read on both the battles if you want to find out authenticity of this incidents.
Astagfirullah… Do you have any idea what you just said… Nauzubillah Imam Hussan was unable to protect Islam from Yazeed… Do you have any idea what the incident of Kerbala is all about… You said such a big thing so easily… When asked by Imam Zain ul Abideen the son Of Imam Hussain A.S. if his father won and lost the battle of Kerbala, Imam asked him to go and pray two rakat in the mosque, after he came back from the prayers, Imam said till the time this prayers are alive its victory of Imam Hussain A.S.
To sumarize you in short Imam Husain didn’t just fight Yazeed for khilafat or what ever…from what I have learnt from Maulana in majlises and a small prespective I PERSONALLY developed…he raised voice against the system that had developed after Holy Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. After his death whoever came to the throne was regarded Amir ul Momineen irrespective of how did he become Khaleefa. Imam Husain Knew Yazeed was not at all the right person and if he will give alligance he could have introduced alot of bidats..but if Imam Husain would have defeated Yazeed in the battle history probably would have said it was a fight between two princes for the throne and true maqsad of Imam Husain A.S. would have never came forward, but Imam therefore sacrificed his own life and his family in Kerbala with three days of hunger and thirst… and what Yazeed did with the ladies of family of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H.. things like taking their hijab… taking them around the streets of Koofa and shaam… made a show out of them… was clear enough to open the eyes… that anyone who becomes khaleefa is not Amir ul Momineen..this is just my PERSONAL prespective along with several other intensions Imam might have had … Again I am no Alim or maulana to give a bigger or better picture… May Allah forgive me If i don’t do a good job explaining it… or some other issues…Ameen
Let me quote what I said earlier
And you missed the whole point… if the practice is not allowed why didn’t the companions or Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. stopped Hazrat Bilal
Sister if you are interested in learning more you can go to the following website to read about both the sects…
http://www.al-islam.org/peshawar/
http://www.al-islam.org/guided/
or go to the following encyclopedia link.
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/
or read this book
http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/
May Allah help us all follow the right path… and forgive me if I didn’t do a good job explaining things or if I offended anyone or misled someone un intenionally..ameen
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