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I could be completely wrong here but I think OP is referring to the fact that her dad will divorce her mom...? At least, that makes more sense than being confident about the personality of a scumbag.

OP: people don't change. I mean okay, maybe he'll settle for you instead of his other cousin but guess what -- HE'S SETTLING. You aren't his first choice and no matter how much he changes, it doesn't change the fact that he 1) cheated on you MULTIPLE times 2) is interested in someone else quite seriously 3) is a moron (for thinking he was engaged to another cousin) 4) has no backbone (is trying to make you end the rishta instead of doing it himself)...those aren't dealbreakers for you? Because they should be.

My dad is typical punjabi male--his way or the highway type and although he's hard to deal with at times, I KNOW for a fact that if I went to him with similar complaints he might get mad temporarily but he wouldn't throw me into the fire knowingly. I don't know any parents that would. Yeah it sucks that people are going to talk and his family will be angry but...what's gonna happen in a few years when you're married and he doesn't change? You're gonna be in the same situation you're in now, with more baggage and more consequences/thaanay if you walk out then.

Like someone else said, do istikhara. I've done it for things when I was truly torn and Allah turned me away from those things. He's the best of planners and leave it to Him. Think with your mind, not with your heart and pray to Allah that if this is bad for you that it ends.

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Sorry, you're right. But the bulk of my post still applies. She keeps saying that she knows that he will change, but on what basis?

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She doesn't have a basis. Her basis is chance. The chance or possibility that with time, he'll mature and change for the better. She keeps saying/hoping that he'll change because she's afraid of the consequences this may have for her mother, etc etc. That's basically all it is.

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At this point OP, I guess it would be better if you use the Eight ball.

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And is she willing to take the chance that she will live the life of her mother if she goes through with this wedding? Then her kids would be scared to end an arranged marriage and this vicious cycle will continue.

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Gonna give you the benefit of the doubt OP and assume this isn't trolling.

See all the parts in bold? That is what I would tell a girl in an arrange marriage situation if I wanted things to end. That's reasons not to marry. The bold, italicised, and underlined portion indicate boundaries. Once he crossed these, that shouldve been it for you. For most girls.
Just think about it. He knows he was engaged to you. He had sex with not one but TWO different girls. Did he cheat on one of them? Perhaps. On a regular basis? It wasn't even a moment of weakness. Nope. He thought to himself, yes I have a fiance back in Pak but I am happy and cool with this.

Guys like this don't know what they want. You are a backup plan. A link to his culture. If you are cool with that and content to wait and despite everything make this work, wow you have a big heart. Good for you. If you want something more, call it a day.

Or you dont understand the gravity of the crimes he committed and their implications on your married life.

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Op,

You might think that a bunch of women may not understand the workings of a guy's mind, but you've received opinions from several male members, the most detailed being Maula Jatt's, and neither of these opinions have been favorable. I feel that generally men understand men better and you now have the male perspective as well.

At times he makes no sense to me. Is he hoping that you'd break off the rishta without telling your parents all that he's told you? Or does he not care if his family knows about his past? I feel bad for him because his parents would be very, very hurt to know about about all these things. Or is there the possibility that he felt guilty and wanted to come clean with you about his past? These are questions that you maybe need to ask him.

If you are absolutely certain that you don't want to marry him, talk to him about it and see if he can break the rishta from his end and hopefully that will spare you the drama of your dad threatening your mom with divorce and hopefully it also won't require the exposing of his sins to his family. If he agrees to do this, you need to set the condition that he do this without harming your reputation/image because he will most likely meet with resistance from his parents....so he shouldn't try to pin anything on you; that would be unfair. If he cannot break it from his end, then that places pressure on you and your mom and his past will have to be exposed to his parents. So, I think you should talk to him about the solution. The other option is to marry him and it places a tremendous amount of mental/emotional pressure on you to refrain from doubting/suspecting your husband... knowing he's cheated on you with 3 women several times over. Before talking to your dad or urging your mom to talk to him, I think you need to speak to this guy about options. Let's see what he says.

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A marriage is always a leap of faith. You hope for certain things, certain dreams; you hope for a better tomorrow. It doesn't always happen the way you want it to be.

To my understanding, both you and him are pretty young. I don't believe you should get married at whatever the age you are, at this time of your life. But your point-of-view on life might be different and I see that it is different.

I can see a certain level of acceptance to the habits he pointed out. Possibly, you are living in a place where this is acceptable. Possibly, you are looking for a quick way out of your current situation. Possibly, there are other reasons. Just think and try to understand the reasons, for your own sake.

It seems after all this you are still interested in him and willing to take a chance. After all being said here, it seems you will take the chance. You know, he really might turn out fine. I have seen people change. I wish all the best for you and have just one advise and this advise would be true for any other girl as well. Just ensure that you complete your education to a level where you can hold a decent job in the future. You might need it.

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The facebook thing is if you find his profile he might have photographs with his girlfriends or of getting high. It’s quite easy to hide your partying pictures but a lot of people who’re partying don’t care. It might just be the proof your father needs to doubt his decision. If you have brother you could enlist him to add him. Although I’ve seen sometimes that saving face is more important than any bad habits he might have. :confused:

And definitely do an Istakara. It might sound weird but it’s helped me a couple of time including getting a cousin’s proposal off my back. My father’s brother started asking my father since I was 19 and it continued for 5 years!!! I danced at his wedding this year because I was definitely happier than him.

And I know an older couple who did the* I will divorce you if you don’t let our daughter marry my brother’s son. *Well the parents are still married but the daughter isn’t. The guy was forcibly married and had a couple of girlfriends throughout the marriage. So if you think that keeping peace now will keep peace later than think again.

Op, you’re in a difficult position but you have one thing on your side and that’s some bit of time. Continue your education and maybe the guy will lose his mind do something your whole extended family can’t ignore.

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I still cant believe that you are still considering to marry him. OMG girl- break it off. Your father- he needs to stand up for his daughter. The part about him divorcing your mother if things dont go through makes me sick. I can understand all the hungama that will happen in the family if you break the mangni, but believe me, if you marry him, things are going to be WORSE. You are 19, at 19 (3 yrs back) i was naive too. You have so much more to look forward to. Is marrying a cheat, a liar, a badmash what you want?

Some posters say he may change. Yes he may. But still, I doubt it. He slept with two girls after the magni. He didnt care he was engaged to OP. Their wedding isnt soon. He may sleep with even more girls before he gets married to you and 'changes.' Definitely not what I would want for myself or for any shareef girl.

Well it's up to you to make the final decision.

I wish I knew you in real life so I could meet you and tell you to end this.

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Me too. What does it mean though.

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My best guess it means dumb fool lol. Redvelvet may know better

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Dude is engaged to you and sleeping around, the answer is obvious.

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Apparently not, because “oh, he’ll change after marriage” and he’s oh so sorry about his behaviour and terribly wants to change. :rolleyes:

A certain saying comes to mind (roughly translated): There is no blindness like that of someone who does not want to see.

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What if he has STD (sexually transmitted disease) from sleeping around?

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It’s wishful thinking on her behalf. The OP is 19 right? We were all naive at that age. Always hoping for the best, giving people benefit of the doubt but just like most people stay naive till the day they die, most people never change.

To the OP. This is coming from a guy. If he is sleeping around on you while you’re engaged, he has no respect for you and I can almost promise you he’ll end up doing it while you’re married. You can do much better than this guy. Marry someone who knows your value.

To OP, If you still go through with it, I wish you all the best. I hope it doesn’t turn out how most of us have predicted.

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You know what? you've heard what you need to hear from us, you have doubts yet you're still falling into the BS view of what "love" is and how "love" can change a man. If after hearing all the advice here and you still go through with it, you deserve all the crap he puts you through.