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Oh the MQM tried very hard in the 90s, but the great Babar showed them whose boss… 
Losers didnt get a jinnahpur
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Next time your great babar will be all alone, when all of Sindh will rise up.
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Others will take his place, everyone hates the MQM, you can pretty much tell by this thread alone in case you didnt notice
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He will not be the one to initiate this, just like mohajirs did not initiate 71 breakup. You haven't heard speeches from sindhi leaders, even PPP ones to their local followers.
KK bro! Mohajirs in East Pak did contribute to the ethnic hatred. Just like Sindh, Mohajirs in Bengal refused to assimilate. Just like Mohajirs find it very difficult to learn Sindhi, they found it impossible to learn Bengali. Mohajir bureaucracy was as corrupt as their counterparts in the West wing.
However we should quit the blame game and self flagellation about BDesh. BDesh was created by Sh. Mujib (period).
Do you ever hear Bengalis say that a Punjabi or Mohajir or Sindhi is the Bangla Bundhoo (founder of BDesh)?
No off course not. *Sh. Mujib was the architect and founder of BDesh. Others may have helped him along the way, but the credit of making BDesh goes to Sh. Mujib and none other.
* And you and I should never try to take away that credit from him.
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this is a problem and a careful eye must be kept on the situation. however, the notion of pakistan is very strong aswell. this is all hypered because uncle sam is in afghanistan.
Re: sindhis not happy with pakistan
this is a problem and a careful eye must be kept on the situation. however, the notion of pakistan is very strong aswell. this is all hypered because uncle sam is in afghanistan.
Nah! Uncle Sam is too busy in Afghanistan to either help on hurt in Sindh.
The problem in Sindh is simple. Ethnic chauvinism is being used for political purpose. It doesn't matter who is ruling and what system is being used.
Canada is thriving economically, and still the French speakers use ethnic card all the time.
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This thread includes how many sindhis or even urdu speaking sindhis/mohajirs for that matter?
Yeah, I thought so. The internet is not reality.
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KK bro! Mohajirs in East Pak did contribute to the ethnic hatred. Just like Sindh, Mohajirs in Bengal refused to assimilate. Just like Mohajirs find it very difficult to learn Sindhi, they found it impossible to learn Bengali. Mohajir bureaucracy was as corrupt as their counterparts in the West wing.
However we should quit the blame game and self flagellation about BDesh. BDesh was created by Sh. Mujib (period).
Do you ever hear Bengalis say that a Punjabi or Mohajir or Sindhi is the Bangla Bundhoo (founder of BDesh)?
No off course not. *Sh. Mujib was the architect and founder of BDesh. Others may have helped him along the way, but the credit of making BDesh goes to Sh. Mujib and none other. * And you and I should never try to take away that credit from him.
You bring valid points. I say this however:
Mujib was the leader for the independance struggle of Bangladesh. In that the proponents for separation from the Pakistan federation used violent and less than honorable tactics, but that is more often the rule in most struggles for secession and self determination than not. And it does not discount the fact that Bengalis did feel slighted and disenfranchised by the state. ANd instead of addressing their genuine grieviences, we chose to ignore it and did what a thirdclass apathetic leadership would resort too: spin the issues and gripes so that any discourse is met with contempt. And the course taken by our country in former East Pakistan (disregarding the gross exaggerations) were and will remain a black mark on this country's history. But wise is a nation which recognizes its mistakes, and engenders more effort to make sure that situation does not rise again. And good is a people who don't take pride in adverse course of their nations actions.
Second, Urdu or the peoples who migrated to Pakistan are very well integrated into Pakistan and they have done very well in all aspects of its life. Nowhere are the Urdus required to adopt the language of the place they move into. That adoption of a another culture and language is a more subtle process with multiple social and historic factors at work.
The only and the only criteria for being a Pakistani is none other than pledging allegiance to the constitution, the idea of Pakistan and its flag. That's about most of it. Urdu is the national langauge of the country, and pre MQM Urdus did'nt necessarily have an increasingly haughty or hostile relationship with other peoples where ever they congregated.
That in the 1980s we saw a demand for justice among the Urdus mostly settled in the process of Sindh and specifically in Karachi, had its roots in just grievances. We should atleast recognize that.
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You bring valid points. I say this however: --------------And it does not discount the fact that Bengalis did feel slighted and disenfranchised by the state. ANd instead of addressing their genuine grieviences, we chose to ignore it ...
Sultan bro! Feeling slighted, disenfranchised is something Bengalis always had. Just see their struggles with Hindu Bengalis over 100 years prior to Pakistan. Bengal was divided and united so many times that they lost count.
Second point! you say Bengalis had "Genuine grievances". Do you know of any grievances that are "Non-genuine", fake, made-up etc? I am sure not.
A grievance is just that! A grievance! If you have one, it would be a genuine one, and I can bet the bottom dollar on it.
However no grievance should ever drive you to commit anti-state terror. Because if you do, the state would come at you with all its might. It doesn't matter if that state is democratic, dictatorial, monarchy, or Khilafat. No state in the world at present or past would allow a section of its populace to rise up against the state.
Coming back to your point, Bengalis took only few months after their "liberation" to have Mega-Grievance against Awami League and especially against Sh. Mujib. And the result of such grievance was most shocking and most terrible.
Sh. Mujib, his sons, daughters, grandsons, grand daughters, chacha, Nana, phopha, khaloo, khala everyone related to the "founder of BDesh" was murdered nay crushed to pieces by none other than Bengalis.
So there you have it. Bengalis had grievances against the whole world including themselves. No one even god himself could address those "Genuine grievances".
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Sadly MQM is now just a personal fiefdom ruled by someone who is not too unlike other feudal lords from Sindh and beyond.
Thats right! Some of them are as rich as a Sindhi wadera!
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The greatest worry of Sindh people is that due to influx of aliens into their country, their culture and their language may extinct and that they would become red indians in their own land. This has been the stance of all the Sindh nationalist leaders - GM Syed, R B Paleejo, Dr. Magsi etc.
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Personally I think the muslims of minority provinces of India should have not taken part in Pakistan's movement and should have not migrated to this Pakistan.
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The greatest worry of Sindh people is that due to influx of aliens into their country, their culture and their language may extinct and that they would become red indians in their own land. This has been the stance of all the Sindh nationalist leaders - GM Syed, R B Paleejo, Dr. Magsi etc.
Nothing new or unique here. French speaking Quebec folks have the same issue against Egnlish speakers. Even when Canada has many times better economy and an established democratic system.
Sri Lanka had the highest literacy rate, and a healthy democratic system. Still Tamils felt alienated and threatened. And guess what? bhoom bhoom kanaka bhoom bhoom.
There are hundreds nay thousands of such examples to prove that Sindhi issue is not unique.
Minorities are like that. They are always worried about their existence in the sea of "non-native" people. And there is no way to fix that problem.
Re: sindhis not happy with pakistan
The greatest worry of Sindh people is that due to influx of aliens into their country, their culture and their language may extinct and that they would become red indians in their own land. This has been the stance of all the Sindh nationalist leaders - GM Syed, R B Paleejo, Dr. Magsi etc.
Mostar bro....I don't agree with the logic....cultures/languages/music etc are ever changing and live things and it is not happening just after the creation of Pakistan....it happened in every era...even migration is nothing new....it is as old as human history...
Do you think culture has not changed in Punjab....if you go to an average house in Punjab the kids can't even speak Punjabi....it's not even taught in schools....
Languges and cultures are a live thing.....your kids are different compared to you.....you are different to your parents.....if you make your kids listen to music from your father's era....they will simply freak....
Urdu itself is not a very old language.....in fact it's not an original languge...it just evovled by mixing a lot of languges.....and spoken Urdu today is very different from Urdu spoken before the creation of Pakistan....
Cultures are ever changing....you have to change with times.....time never changes for anyone....it's a cruel fact....if somebody refuses to change with times.....you become obselete.....and unfit to live that era...
Ehtnic diversity is a reality of our country particularly Sindh and no G.M Syed, Magsi, Palego, Bhutto or Zardari can change/undo it now.....they have to teach their community to adapt accordingly....it's for their own good....
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Personally I think the muslims of minority provinces of India should have not taken part in Pakistan's movement and should have not migrated to this Pakistan.
Agreed and seems like Altaf and you are on the same page as well. Prepare to be called a traitor.
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KK bro! Mohajirs in East Pak did contribute to the ethnic hatred. Just like Sindh, Mohajirs in Bengal refused to assimilate. Just like Mohajirs find it very difficult to learn Sindhi, they found it impossible to learn Bengali. Mohajir bureaucracy was as corrupt as their counterparts in the West wing.
However we should quit the blame game and self flagellation about BDesh. BDesh was created by Sh. Mujib (period).
Do you ever hear Bengalis say that a Punjabi or Mohajir or Sindhi is the Bangla Bundhoo (founder of BDesh)?
No off course not. Sh. Mujib was the architect and founder of BDesh. Others may have helped him along the way, but the credit of making BDesh goes to Sh. Mujib and none other. And you and I should never try to take away that credit from him.
And Army played no part in loosing east pakistan. Interesting.
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Personally I think the muslims of minority provinces of India should have not taken part in Pakistan's movement and should have not migrated to this Pakistan.
Those who made Pakistan reality?! What is your logic behind that?
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Things would have been much better for both Muslims in India and Pakistani muslims, if muslims of India would not have joined the movement of Pakistan - as majority of them had to live over there. The migration created two problems - hindus still punishing the muslims for creation of Pakistan and migrants still facing problem of integration into Pakistani society (due to their own failures or whatever).
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Agreed and seems like Altaf and you are on the same page as well. Prepare to be called a traitor.
Well it does not mean I am against the creation of Pakistan. Pakistan would have been created but only for people originally living here.
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Things would have been much better for both Muslims in India and Pakistani muslims, if muslims of India would not have joined the movement of Pakistan - as majority of them had to live over there. The migration created two problems - hindus still punishing the muslims for creation of Pakistan and migrants still facing problem of integration into Pakistani society (due to their own failures or whatever).
Moon Saheb, to phir Pakistan kyun banaya?