http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB119974719357173263-lMyQjAxMDE4OTA5ODcwNDg3Wj.html
i hope theres a way out of all this hate. i wonder what can be done to make sure that sindhis star hating the federation? i think whoever wins the next election will have to win over sindh - if the pml’s win will they start the kalabagh dam issue again? i think after what we saw in late december the kalabagh dam issue will push the sindhis further.
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Err, okay.
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Welcome to old news. It’s just now it;s coming out in the international media what many of us have known since first listening to GM Syed.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-01-08-pakistan_N.htm?csp=34
Some fear Pakistan could splinter apart
By Paul Wiseman, USA TODAY
HYDERABAD, Pakistan — Qadir Magsi, a doctor before he entered politics, says the prognosis for Pakistan is grim: He gives it a decade to live as a united country.
The assassination of opposition leader Benazir Bhutto on Dec. 27 removed **“the last hope for Pakistan to stay intact,” **Magsi says. He expects Bhutto’s native Sindh province will emerge as an independent nation unless the military establishment surrenders more power to the country’s four provinces.
Others’ predictions aren’t so dire, but the threat of separatism is rising in a country reeling from Bhutto’s murder, a wave of terrorist attacks and insurgencies along the border with Afghanistan. Sindh isn’t likely to break away, says Pakistani political analyst Ikfram Sehgal, but he warns that separatism could further destabilize a key ally in the U.S. war on terror.
“Unless it is handled carefully, it is something to be concerned about,” he says.
Bhutto’s death reignited separatist sentiment that has fomented for decades, sending thousands of Sindhi rioters into the streets last month. They torched cars, ransacked shops and attacked outsiders from other provinces. Dozens died.
**Bank manager Sharaf Uddim Soomra, whose branch in the farming community of Tando Jam was burned by looters, cites a popular saying: Bhutto was the chain that linked Pakistan’s four provinces — Punjab, Sindh, Baluchistan and the Northwest Frontier — thanks to her unique nationwide political clout.
Now that Bhutto is dead, Soomra worries that the chain is broken.
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Sindh reflects the extremes of poverty and prosperity that have made Pakistan so difficult to govern. The seaside provincial capital of Karachi is home to 15 million people and one of Asia’s hottest stock markets. The interior is a backwater of sugar cane plantations and mango groves where many farm laborers earn barely a dollar a day.
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The rural areas are dominated by powerful land-owning families — the Bhuttos prominent among them — who oversee what Stephen Cohen of the Brookings Institution has called “one of South Asia’s most repressive” social systems.**
Tariq Azim, a spokesman for President Pervez Musharraf’s ruling party, dismisses the threat of separatism and notes that many of Sindh’s problems are homegrown. “These people by tradition never allowed the peasants to go to school,” he says.
Many Sindhis blame outsiders for their problems. Among their complaints:
•A distant military-bureaucratic elite, dominated by natives of neighboring Punjab province. Pakistan’s army, which is largely Punjabi, has ruled the country for more than half its 60-year existence.
Sindhi nationalists such as Magsi say the Punjabi elites ignore their grievances and refuse to share power. “They treat us as occupied territory, as a slave nation,” he says.
**A specific gripe: Punjabi irrigation projects diverted waters from the Indus River before they got downriver to Sindh.
“Punjab takes all the water. We get the leftovers,” says Ibrahim Magsi, a farmer and village leader outside Tando Jam.**
The army also allotted Sindhi land to retired officers and bureaucrats. As a result, Cohen writes in his book The Idea of Pakistan, as much as 40% of Sindh’s prime agricultural land is held by non-Sindhis.
•New arrivals who have squeezed Sindhis out of jobs and political power. The tensions are highest in Karachi, ruled by the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), a party that represents immigrants from India known as Mohajirs. “The Sindhis have reason to feel disenfranchised,” Sehgal says. “The MQM has been calling the shots.”
•The deaths of their leaders. Sindhi nationalists say they would have more political clout if their leaders stopped getting killed. They say Bhutto was not the first Sindhi leader to die in Rawalpindi, a garrison city in the heart of Punjab. Her father — prime minister until he was ousted in a coup — was executed there by the military in 1979. Pakistan’s first prime minister, Liaquat Ali Khan — who migrated to Sindh from India — was assassinated in 1953 at almost the exact spot where Benazir Bhutto was attacked
“The establishment always kills our leaders,” says Hajan, a Tando Jam political leader who goes by one name. “Why would we want to live in this country?”
Azim notes that Sindhi nationalist political parties such as Qadir Magsi’s haven’t won much support at the polls. Sehgal says Sindhi separatists are unlikely to rally much support from the ethnically diverse population of Karachi, limiting their movement to the countryside.
Cohen wonders whether Sindh could survive by itself. Because of Sindh’s dependence on water from the north, Cohen writes, its independence “could only come about with Punjabi acceptance.”
**Pakistan’s army has crushed Sindhi separatist movements, but Sindhi street power can still be frightening. Nasir Khan, 32, had to cower overnight in a Tando Jam mango grove while a mob torched his truck, which carried a cargo of red chili peppers to Karachi. Khan, an ethnic Pashtun born and raised in Sindh, had always gotten along with his neighbors. “I’ve never seen anything like it,” he says of the rioting.
Punjabi engineer Zaheer Rajpud, 31, was trapped at a gas station for two nights when rioters blocked a bus taking him from an assignment in rural Sindh to the Punjabi city Lahore. They demanded that all Punjabis and Pashtuns be turned over to them.
The station’s Sindhi owner, backed by security guards, fended off the crowd with his pistol until army patrols arrived. Rajpud was shaken.
“They have such hatred for Punjabis,” he says. “I don’t see how this country can survive.”**
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That’s why people with brains have been saying for decades that kalabagh dam is an anti-sindh and anti-pakistan project, but this simple fact has never made it into think heads of our rulers, including mushy.
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In an effort to hold on to their corrupt empire, the Mushs agencies/Army are pulling futher at the federation.
God knows when this will explode in all our faces. Sad
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When Musharraf, the MQM and PML[Q] play the race card ,what else do you expect…
PML-Q stoking fire of ethnicity: Rabbani
Wednesday, January 09, 2008
By our correspondent
ISLAMABAD: Leader of the Opposition in the Senate Mian Raza Rabbani has accused the Pakistan Muslim League-Q of playing with fire and endangering the Federation by trying to divide the nation on provincial and ethnic basis.
“It must realise that once the jinni of provincialism is out of the bottle, it will be impossible to recapture it and save the Federation,” he said in a statement on Tuesday.
Rabbani alleged that in order to further its "nefarious and individualistic political agenda, the PML-Q seeks, as in the days of General Ziaul Haq, to divide the nation on provincial basis.
“This trend is not only dangerous but can prove disastrous due to the heightened polarisation among the provinces and between the smaller federating units and the Federation along with the regional situation,” he added.
He said the internal and external powers who sought to damage Pakistan would use this to their advantage.
Rabbani said the assassination of Benazir Bhutto had galvanised the working classes throughout the Federation and this was time to use this unity to strengthen the Federation and put the country on the rails of true democracy and constitutional rule.
“But instead, like at the time of the earthquake, this national unity is with deliberate attempt being sought to be broken,” he added.
He said the Pakistan People’s Party, with the combined opposition, would resist such moves to weaken the Federation and promote provincial and ethnic divide. “The Punjab, Balochistan, ‘Pakhtunkhwa’ (NWFP) and Sindh all grieve the death of the lynchpin of the Federation Shaheed Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto,” he added.
He said, “It is our resolve that we shall convert this sorrow into the strength of the people to preserve the national unity and usher in democracy and constitutional rule. Our struggle against dictatorship shall continue till final victory of the people.”
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Interesting. It really was an eye opener to hear anti-Pakistani chants at Benazirs funeral. Sums things up. PPP will destroy the Union.
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Yet more BS posts from you, that you know aren’t true 
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story…l.asp?Id=11984
Defiant Zardari draws battle lines
Zardari perhaps never in his life looked as mature as he sounded on Sunday while denouncing those who had been raising anti-Pakistan slogans in Garhi Khuda Bux during the last few days. He said thrice in Sindhi language “we want Pakistan”, “we want Pakistan”, “we want Pakistan” to respond to some anti Pakistan slogans raised by a section of the mourners of Benazir Bhutto.
Zardari also came out well while intentionally repeating his party’s commitment to remain a national party and continue to be a symbol of the unity of the federation. He said the PPP had been and would remain an advocate of a strong federation.
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Its people like Aalsi, and the PML[qatil league] supporters that are causing provincial disharmony.
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Its people like Aalsi, and the PML[qatil league] supporters that are causing provincial disharmony.
Try telling that to the families of dozens of people that were killed, and people whose businesses were burnt, and thousands of people that lost their livelihoods due to rampage of PPP supporters after BB's death.
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Its people like Aalsi, and the PML[qatil league] supporters that are causing provincial disharmony.
Yeah and pure innocent punjabi establishment has not been stealing water from Sindh for the last 50+ years. Keep denying the truth like your ancestors did in 71. And if you hate the Q league so much, why don't the 70 or so million punjabis rise up and kill off all the chaudries? Even the army is majority punjabi, so what's the big hurdle? Have big bad mohajirs been stopping you last 60 years to take any "right" action?
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The only way out of this is to allow for fair elections… Honest people must have a position in the system… People like Aitazaz Ahsan, the Chief Justice.
Alienation breeds resentments, and it all stems for over hoarding of power by the corrupt.
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The only way out of this is to allow for fair elections... Honest people must have a position in the system... People like Aitazaz Ahsan, the Chief Justice.
Alienation breeds resentments, and it all stems for over hoarding of power by the corrupt.
Do you think either Aiteraaz Ahsan or Ifiti are Sindhi farmers? They are still part of the same establishment and don't know about the daily water shortages for Sindhi farmers etc. You still can't seem to get out of your mindset.
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Its people like Aalsi, and the PML[qatil league] supporters that are causing provincial disharmony.
I agree.... Mush govt is destroying the country and causing increased alienation. What do you expect, the same people thought kidnapping Pakistani citizens without even charging them with a crime, and then selling them to America, is a good idea.
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Do you think either Aiteraaz Ahsan or Ifiti are Sindhi farmers? They are still part of the same establishment and don't know about the daily water shortages for Sindhi farmers etc. You still can't seem to get out of your mindset.
No, but they would stand up for the rights of the poor... CJ himself on many occasions stood up against the corrupt in favor of the poor... Honest and honorable leaders care enough about the people to atleast make an effort in resolving their problems.
People within Mush govt and others such as the MQM govt which is in power these days, dont care about anyone except themselves.
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Mush was not there when one unit was attempted to be forced to on Pakistan or when GM Syed wrote his most famous work. At least read up on Sindh's history before writing.
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Who is the Punjabi establishment? You obviously have no clue, as just the other day you claimed it included the Lawyers.
You dont know anything about this so called establishment, and neither do you care about the people of Sindh, as you and your govt actually support the establishment..
So save us you crocadile tears please.
We all know you are part of the establishment, your more Punjabi then most Punjabis.
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No, but they would stand up for the rights of the poor... CJ himself on many occasions stood up against the corrupt in favor of the poor... Honest and honorable leaders care enough about the people to atleast make an effort in resolving their problems.
People within Mush govt and others such as the MQM govt which is in power these days, dont care about anyone except themselves.
Those two clowns do not even understand Punjab, let alone Sindh, they will only stand up for their political motives. Don't be so naive.
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Mush was not there when one unit was attempted to be forced to on Pakistan or when GM Syed wrote his most famous work. At least read up on Sindh's history before writing.
Well Mush has been there for the past 8 years, and if it werent for him and people like the MQM and the MMA and Punjabi PML Q feudals, we might have a more equitable system...
BTW, Mush actually supports the Kalabagh dam which all Sindhis oppose... And he isnt faking it, he is a hypocrit just like the MQM...
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Those two clowns do not even understand Punjab, let alone Sindh, they will only stand up for their political motives. Don't be so naive.
Those two "clowns" understand the country better then you ever will.. Your own statement are so full of lies, half truths, racist rants and hypocracy, I doubt you have enough credility to comment on someone as honorable as the CJ..
I doubt you have ever left Karachi... Do you even have any friends who arent MQM supporters?