PCG, seriously, “niqab” is considered “mandatory” by some scholars and believers, as well as there are some scholars and believers who believe what you believe ‘niqab not mandatory’. There is no point you claiming what you know is ultimate truth and everyone else is following Judaism.
This is just one of the sites with an scholarly opinion:
There are thousands of other scholars who will endorse a niqab. You want to ban niqab for security reasons then feel free to do so but do not make claims that niqab is not Islamic.
if mentioned a Hadees in one of your posts, i believe, where you said that Prophet [saws] said a woman's entire body is her satar [that needs to be covered] except [by pointing out] her face, hand and feet...that mean's head and hair is included in a woman's satar...just like a man's satar is from under the navel up to just above the knee. this part of men must be covered at all times [except in front of his spouse of course]. that's the bare minimum!
If you go by that one hadith, then yes, covering the head would be recommended. But since it's not clearly stated in the Quran it becomes a sunnah not a fardz.
And we know it's not fardz, because otherwise Muhammad (SAW) would be inflicting punishment on women who did not cover their hair. There is not one hadith that talks about him even admonishing a woman as such.
In fact, a woman had to approach him and ask what should be covered, and he made his recommendations, but even then, did he punish anyone for not following?
In fact, after his death, when women were reportedly letting more loose within decades of his death (going back to wearing more revealing clothes), did Aisha (R) or any of the caliphs punish women for not covering their hair? Were they all rounded up and whipped in a town square? No. This jahaliyat you see today of people being excluded from the community for not wearing the hijab (in the west - a soft form of punishment) to hard core punishments of whips and beheadings in Taliban and ISIS style of governance, never happened back then.
I don't wear the hijab or niqab and yes, personally I wish people wouldn't wear the niqab. But at the same time, I think people should be allowed to wear what they want in a free country. If they ban one thing, it would be the start of banning other things too. I have heard the khimar argument too, at a halqa , no less, by a lady who was herself wearing the hijab.
If you go by that one hadith, then yes, covering the head would be recommended. But since it's not clearly stated in the Quran it becomes a sunnah not a fardz.
So according your logic, only two salaat are farz as opposed to five since only two salaat explicitly named in Quran?
By the way, help me find a passage from Quran where it tells us how to perform wazu and how to pray namaaz.
And we know it's not fardz, because otherwise Muhammad (SAW) would be inflicting punishment on women who did not cover their hair. There is not one hadith that talks about him even admonishing a woman as such.
In fact, a woman had to approach him and ask what should be covered, and he made his recommendations, but even then, did he punish anyone for not following?
In fact, after his death, when women were reportedly letting more loose within decades of his death (going back to wearing more revealing clothes), did Aisha (R) or any of the caliphs punish women for not covering their hair? Were they all rounded up and whipped in a town square? No. This jahaliyat you see today of people being excluded from the community for not wearing the hijab (in the west - a soft form of punishment) to hard core punishments of whips and beheadings in Taliban and ISIS style of governance, never happened back then.
You are just like Mullahs who turn and twist Islam to suit their agenda, and make their version look the best one. You don't like niqaab for cultural and security reason, and that's fine, oppose it all you want. But for God sake, stop giving half cooked fatwas using Islam's name. Muslims are sick and tired of this drameybaazi.
FYI. Prophet pbuh also did not "punish" anyone for missing namaaz, roza, zakaat, hajj (actual pillars of Islam) and for various other things. So does that mean none of these are are farz? Since when did public ass whooping in 7th century Arabia became the criteria to determine what's farz and what isn't?
So for God sake stop acting like Sheikh Google, and turning and twisting things. You have made valid arguments opposing niqaab, so just leave it at that.
So according your logic, only two salaat are farz as opposed to five since only two salaat explicitly named in Quran?
By the way, help me find a passage from Quran where it tells us how to perform wazu and how to pray namaaz.
There are verses that talk about cleansing with water prior to prayer.
Again, we have made this way too difficult. There are a bunch of ways to do wuzu. Which one is right? Everyone else goes to hell? There are shias who pray 3 times. There are people who are ascetics who pray all day long in their own form of meditation, and this is mentioned in the Quran - these are people of God and we are to leave them alone. So, they don't pray 5x a day like you might, so are they going to hell? Do you have any place to say who or who isn't going to hell ? Do you have any place to say exactly how a prayer is read when there are so many variations of it?
Fact is, that the general concept of namaz is a physical prayer, and so it got passed down generation to generation and overall the physical structure of it has been preserved. We see the same in Yoga. Centuries ago, they were also doing downward dog in some part of the world out there, just like we do today, although maybe there are stylistic differences.
There is no verse that says we are NOT to pray 5x a day. But there are verses and hadith that directly contradict the Niqab, therefore, it is not an Islamic concept, period.
You are just like Mullahs who turn and twist Islam to suit their agenda, and make their version look the best one. You don't like niqaab for cultural and security reason, and that's fine, oppose it all you want. But for God sake, stop giving half cooked fatwas using Islam's name. Muslims are sick and tired of this drameybaazi.
FYI. Prophet pbuh also did not "punish" anyone for missing namaaz, roza, zakaat, hajj (actual pillars of Islam) and for various other things. So does that mean none of these are are farz? Since when did public ass whooping in 7th century Arabia became the criteria to determine what's farz and what isn't?
So for God sake stop acting like Sheikh Google, and turning and twisting things. You have made valid arguments opposing niqaab, so just leave it at that.
We keep going in circles. There are hadith and Quranic ayahs that directly contradict the habit of covering the face. So there is no role for us women to be covering our face. Therefore, we shouldn't be having to defend muslim women who want to do this, and 1) are a security risk and 2) make us all look like we're crazy.
If God did not ask us to wear a veil over our faces, then why do these people get to stigmatize us by wearing it?
There are historical scholars who narrarated the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) married a 6 yr old (nevermind that there are a bunch of other hadith’s that contradict this), and there are hadith that narrarate women can’t be leaders, and all other kinds of fun stuff.
So, sorry, I don’t care what SOME scholars say.
I’ve presented Quranic verse on this, and also presented the pertinent hadith.
This is a no-brainer. Niqab has no place in Islam. Women shouldn’t be wearing it.
We keep going in circles. There are hadith and Quranic ayahs that directly contradict the habit of covering the face. So there is no role for us women to be covering our face. Therefore, we shouldn't be having to defend muslim women who want to do this, and 1) are a security risk and 2) make us all look like we're crazy.
If God did not ask us to wear a veil over our faces, then why do these people get to stigmatize us by wearing it?
Bravo, you just reached a level of self absorption I've never seen before. Not everthing is about you. Get out, make friends. You will realize your issue has nothing to do with religion (at all) and more to do with your limited world view. Mera under ka feminist mar raha hai to see your comments that only serve to police what women because you only want to see the world live the way you want to. I know Muslim women who wear tube tops and Muslim women who wear nikaabs so I don't suffer from a similar urge to tell how other people should live their lives.
I'm not talking about hijabs or abayas or cultural dresses in general. I'm talking specifically about the niqab. It's not about dictating to women what they can't wear. This is a TOXIC DISGUSTING dress. It's psychologically damaging. It's paralyzing our community, and yes, when the rest of us are stigmatized because of a few women who think running around under bedsheets bumping into walls because they can't see and they think they're going to Heaven for this - like screw that. These people are RUINING our lives. RUINING them.
You guys aren't going to understand until they start rounding you up and putting you in concentration camps and deporting you or drafting you to drop bombs on innocent people because YOU'RE muslim. Because of these kinds of stubborn people who think their *** piece of head cloth is more important than YOUR safely and the SAFETY OF YOUR COMMUNITY , you will end up suffering. We already are.
We are increasingly getting marginalized because when people think "Islam", images of these women come up in people's minds, and I don't blame people for not being able to relate to a couple of chics who think they're getting into heaven because of their headgear. It's pure insanity.
I'm not talking about hijabs or abayas or cultural dresses in general. I'm talking specifically about the niqab. It's not about dictating to women what they can't wear. This is a TOXIC DISGUSTING dress. It's psychologically damaging. It's paralyzing our community, and yes, when the rest of us are stigmatized because of a few women who think running around under bedsheets bumping into walls because they can't see and they think they're going to Heaven for this - like screw that. These people are RUINING our lives. RUINING them.
You guys aren't going to understand until they start rounding you up and putting you in concentration camps and deporting you or drafting you to drop bombs on innocent people because YOU'RE muslim. Because of these kinds of stubborn people who think their *** piece of head cloth is more important than YOUR safely and the SAFETY OF YOUR COMMUNITY , you will end up suffering. We already are.
We are increasingly getting marginalized because when people think "Islam", images of these women come up in people's minds, and I don't blame people for not being able to relate to a couple of chics who think they're getting into heaven because of their headgear. It's pure insanity.
We keep going in circles. There are hadith and Quranic ayahs that directly contradict the habit of covering the face. So there is no role for us women to be covering our face. Therefore, we shouldn't be having to defend muslim women who want to do this, and 1) are a security risk and 2) make us all look like we're crazy.
If God did not ask us to wear a veil over our faces, then why do these people get to stigmatize us by wearing it?
Can you please reference those ahadith and ayaat that explicitly contradict the habit of covering the face? If those ahadith are recorded in any of the books, then you'll easily find book number, and hadith number for reference, and if there are ayaat supporting your claim then you will easily find reference to the tafseer of Quran from one of the early predecessors who spent their entire lives understanding the Quran, and sharing what they've learnt.
I fear that we all often get so charged up in what we're passionate about (and it's good to be passionate about things in life) that we go farther than the limits of caution. It's almost like if I visit WebMD 7 days a week, and expect people to take my advise as certified diagnosis instead of seeing a matter Expert. It can be dangerous to be armed with little knowledge and no background to base that knowledge on, or a foundation to build upon. May Allah protect us all from our inner vices.