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@PyariCgudia I am still waiting for the quranic reference of this please. Did you find out?
P.S. I would really like to know which ayah of Quran says "speak to men so that they see your face" ! Otherwise please remove this part from your post if you fail to give reference.
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your avatar makes me dizzy…i better grab a burqa and expect to be ‘deported’…:hehe:
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That translation is at my parents home. No plans of going there anytime soon, so sorry, you’ll have to read the whole book to figure out where it is. From what I remember it was Surah Nisa, but I could be wrong. I know it’s in that translation because when I read Surah Nisa’s translation in the Quran I have here in the apartment which was some no-name translation I picked up in Dallas (God forbid people stock well respected translations), I don’t see the line there, but I also don’t see a line that looks anything like that one, so maybe it’s actually in a different surah. Sorry, when I go down there, I’ll look it up and then post it.
But no, I’m not deleting it. I read it like 100 times because I couldn’t believe my eyes either. So it’s there in that translation.
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They did it out of need. The elites of those days never wanted general public to see the face of the women of their family. That was for the protection of those women. In case of war, elite women were used as bargaining chip, or worst as a slave and concubine of the enemy rulers. If no one knows their faces, then chances of them going through the humiliation in case of a lost battle was less. It was not a requirement or need for a common woman to do that. This hiding of face amongst elite women was not just common in arab, but also in Roman and Hindu culture
Right. There is way more to the history of niqab than anything in Islam. It's not an Islamic tradition, it's actually a pre-Islamic tradition that kept going on and on.
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That translation is at my parents home. No plans of going there anytime soon, so sorry, you'll have to read the whole book to figure out where it is. From what I remember it was Surah Nisa, but I could be wrong. I know it's in that translation because when I read Surah Nisa's translation in the Quran I have here in the apartment which was some no-name translation I picked up in Dallas (God forbid people stock well respected translations), I don't see the line there, but I also don't see a line that looks anything like that one, so maybe it's actually in a different surah. Sorry, when I go down there, I'll look it up and then post it.
But no, I'm not deleting it. I read it like 100 times because I couldn't believe my eyes either. So it's there in that translation.
The reason I am insisting is that I have been searching for it since I read this in your blog last week and so far, there is nothing remotely close to that mentioned in the Quran. It could be a tafseer that you read of something that someone might have interpreted and twisted without knowing the context of an ayah or something. We are very quick at grabbing and quoting something without knowing its context only because it helps us support our argument.
its okay if you dont want to delete it and feel it is fine to wrongly quote an incomplete quranic reference. 'to each their own' , remember ? ;)
good luck with banning the niqab.
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Why it gotta be Dallas’ fault yo 
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The reason I am insisting is that I have been searching for it since I read this in your blog last week and so far, there is nothing remotely close to that mentioned in the Quran. It could be a tafseer that you read of something that someone might have interpreted and twisted without knowing the context of an ayah or something. We are very quick at grabbing and quoting something without knowing its context only because it helps us support our argument.
its okay if you dont want to delete it and feel it is fine to wrongly quote an incomplete quranic reference. 'to each their own' , remember ? ;)
good luck with banning the niqab.
I'll look it up once I have my hands on the translation. No, it wasn't in the footnote. It was the actual verse.
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Definition of Niqab: cloth covering the face. Facial veil.
-It's a security risk
-Pattern that we see progressive educated women tending to be NON-NIQABIS.
-Hadith's support that the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) designated what areas should be covered and face is not one of them.
-Prophet Muhammad (SAW) never enforced a dress code, and no evidence of him enforcing covering of the head either. Therefore, burqas/hijabs/niqabs cannot be enforced. This de-legitamizes laws in Saudia Arabia regarding dress codes, and perpetuates the terrorist mentality. The "You have to do what I say, or I kill you".
-Lack of any verse in the Quran stating to cover the face, in fact, a verse from what I remember that says in one translation "Speak to the men so that they see your face". This may be translated differently in different translations, but it's what's in mine.
-sign that this is a mark of the ISIS folks so likewise back in 600 A.D. Muhammad (SAW) may (unsure of this evidence really) encouraged growing of beards to set muslims apart from non-muslims, maybe we need to not wear the niqab to set ourselves apart from the Khareeji's that are causing problems today. Because the act of separating yourself by dress would be more in line with Muhammad (SAW) rather than the particular dress that was chosen to set yourself apart.
I think your using the word ban is upsetting people here.
Although I would also agree on a ban on burqa/niqab in western countries but I think the proper way is to discourage it and forbid people from using Islam as a pretext of wearing it. An ancient Arab tribal dress that Arabs have chosen to carry on into modern times cannot be promoted as Islamic dress.
A ban on burqa could be justified in Western countries but the blame will not go entirely on western media and politicians for creating a fear of anything linked to Islam.
Muslims have themselves promoted an image of burqa/beard that is associated with things like barbaric sharia, enforcement of their religious values on their host societies and being non-accepting of their religious/cultural practices despite being welcomed into those countries and given equal rights as all other religions. This negative publicity by western media and Muslims has reached a point where people around them genuinely fear for their safety and safety of their families when they see burqas and Islamic looking beards in their midst. If people in Muslim countries are made to feel threatened for their lives and values by in-communicative and hostile looking foreigners among them, they would probably lynch them on spot.
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^ That's right.
How many white people go to Pakistan now? No one wants to be another Daniel Pearl.
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I think your using the word ban is upsetting people here. Although I would also agree on a ban on burqa/niqab in western countries but I think the proper way is to discourage it and forbid people from using Islam as a pretext of wearing it. An ancient Arab tribal dress that Arabs have chosen to carry on into modern times cannot be promoted as Islamic dress.
A ban on burqa could be justified in Western countries but the blame will not go entirely on western media and politicians for creating a fear of anything linked to Islam. Muslims have themselves promoted an image of burqa/beard that is associated with things like barbaric sharia, enforcement of their religious values on their host societies and being non-accepting of their religious/cultural practices despite being welcomed into those countries and given equal rights as all other religions. This negative publicity by western media and Muslims has reached a point where people around them genuinely fear for their safety and safety of their families when they see burqas and Islamic looking beards in their midst. If people in Muslim countries are made to feel threatened for their lives and values by in-communicative and hostile looking foreigners among them, they would probably lynch them on spot.
Thank-you. Most of the girls posting here do not wear it and neither do the women in the families of the men posting here.
But yet they stand up for it, and all they're doing is standing up for a tribal dress.
If you girls understand that's all you're doing then fine. But don't be fooled into one second of thinking that you're standing up for some Islamic uniform, because there is no such thing in Islam.
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We’re not necessarily standing up for the niqab itself or its validity in Islam. We’re standing up for the right an individual has to wear whatever they please without being subjected to persecution, and the right for an individual to believe what they like as long as it’s not subjecting other people to harm.
I don’t see any correlation between beards and danger, or not wearing jeans and danger, or any other combination as such. You can’t tell people how to live or how to dress and then have pride in your country for being a paragon of freedom. :halo:
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I would like to know reference verse of Surah Nisa @PyariCgudia @prototype
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American states recognize hijab on driver license card. So far this is not an issue in American culture. California shooter , Tafsheen Malik was hijabi, she did not wear niqab during act of terrorism.
American society is very open and always welcome immigrants. Proposed Niqab banned is itself against the teaching of American values. Their culture welcome pluralism.
It is sad to see how gudia is against to great values of such great country.
I want to know if there is any ban on alcohol consumption. Number of people died in drunk driving are more than any other cause of death.
Would you propose ban on alcohol too?
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@mahool I havent seen and found any such ayah yet. It is PCG who is sure that she read the translation so I asked her to enlighten us with reference about what we might have missed in Quran. 
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Interestingly, she makes zero arguments for banning it. Choosing instead to focus on lack of religious obligation to wear it. Even if that were true, what right do you have to tell someone what they should wear.
sure ... And I am presuming you and everyone else in this thread, who have suddenly become champions of respecting one,s right to wear whatever he or she likes , absolutely support western women right to wear small shorts in hot summer in Saudi arabi and other UAE states? Never ever heard Muslims making that point. They only want their rights to be preserved in west but would never say a word on bigotry practiced in the Muslim world
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Those countries don’t claim to be champions of liberty nor do those societies claim to value an individual’s personal freedom over sanctioned traditions. You’re comparing apples and oranges here.
That being said–this doesn’t mean people who are against the discrimination of Muslims in the states aren’t also against the discrimination of minorities in the East. :halo: Nor does it mean they haven’t spoken out about that.
Two wrongs certainly don’t make a right.
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thx.
I am not comparing any societies and it is not about who is champion of human rights and who is not. I understand that part.
i am asking a very simple question to my dear muslims. are they absolutely ok with European women wearing small shorts in streets of riydah, jeddah, lahore, kuwait, UAE or would it bother them ? remember when a woman wears a complete niqab on her face with full burqa on her body, it does bother western population as well. it really does.
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American states recognize hijab on driver license card. So far this is not an issue in American culture. California shooter ,** Tafsheen Malik was hijabi,** she did not wear niqab during act of terrorism. American society is very open and always welcome immigrants. Proposed Niqab banned is itself against the teaching of American values. Their culture welcome pluralism. It is sad to see how gudia is against to great values of such great country.
I want to know if there is any ban on alcohol consumption. Number of people died in drunk driving are more than any other cause of death. Would you propose ban on alcohol too?
Tafsheen Malik was not a hijabi. She was a niqabi. Her only pics that are available are ID pictures where she had no choice but to show her face in order to get the ID.
This is why there are no pictures of her. She was always covered in a face veil.
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It’s there. You just need to pick up a non-wahabbi translation.