Should I or shouldn't I?

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You need a security camera which records 24 hours above your door.

If you cannot do that, get a small spy camera that can fit in a hole drilled into the actual door. Whatever type you get, make sure there is 24 hour recording.

When you have sufficient footage, take it to the police and DEMAND they take action, OTHERWISE you will report this to the national and local newspapers.

Also, what is the reason for this behaviour against you? Are they racist? If I remember correctly you live in norway or one of those countries?

ditto!

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yeah... only bloody european countries can b this mean.. US UK are comparatively much better i guess!

I live in Holland. And my son told me that the kids who beat him up this time are Turkish. The kids who beat him up the other time, more than once, were coloured people, black, they beat up my child and asked their Turkish friends to help them beat up my son. Then when I had had enough, when once again my son came home crying, I went outside and yelled at the kid who had started it that it should all stop and my son should be left alone. That's it. Then a few days later, he came to my home, in front of my door, with two women, I don't know if they are his family or family friends, she just asked me if I'm the mother and when I replied yes, she just started to beat my face and even came in my home, she was beating and kicking me on my kitchen floor, I couldn't do anything, then the other who was with her, started pulling my hair. They just yelled I should stay away from that kid, while I had done nothing but tell him to stop beating and kicking my son! The neighbour who lives down me, came and pulled them off me, after he pulled them off me, I did manage to do something back, I pulled the hair back of the one who was pulling mine. I don't know how to fight people, I couldn't even do it properly when my parents made me and my brothers take karate lessons during childhood, I had stopped after a while without much progress. I wish I could have beaten and kicked them back. I felt so helpless. Even more when at the police station they first didn't let me press charges. I was so angry, I went back and only then they agreed to press charges, but only after an appointment. And then, when they first wrote to me that I should call them about it, and they said the person who told me to call wasn't there but would call me back, about that case, but that police officer never did call, then I realised they weren't going to take it serious. They won't even punish them.

That's why I know it's not much use going to my local police. I'm going to take a lie detector test. One of the things is going to be about those two women beating me up. I'm going to prove with that test that they had beaten me without telling me why, without any reason at all. I'm going to send those results to a different police station. Will that be enough? I don't know. You know, I had told my police, after I was beaten up, that the neighbour downstairs who had pulled those two women off me probably had a better look at them, since he wasn't beaten up. I couldn't even properly describe them. I didn't pay attention to their clothes. The police officer who was typing what I said, kept insisting I should tell her what those women looked like, but while my face was being beaten, I kept seeing white coloured spots, so I just said white when she insisted. But really, I don't know as I had told her, what clothes they were wearing. One of them just started to beat me up immediatily after asking if I was the mother. They were black people. I don't understand what their problem is, why they came after me.

My children say the kids who threw the eggs are all Turkish. I do know that a Turkish kid kept ringing the doorbell and tried to make my son come outside, I know who that child is. He said he wanted to play with my son and then, when my son came out last time, the other kids came to him to start a fight. He helped those other kids to beat up my son, by calling my son outside. Then he just watched the other kids tease my son and even beat or kick him a few times.

They all help each other to harrass us. I didn't start any fight with anyone here. From the moment I moved here, most people were unfriendly towards me. I tried to talk, to get to know a few people. With some I had a pleasant conversation, but then when I saw them again, they refused to even greet me. Most people refused to greet me back and instead gave me angry looks. Even at the school of my children. I don't know most of these people. I do know a few Pakistanis who were family friends when I was growing up. But even they were behaving strangely and even a few times very unfriendly towards me, only towards me.

From my side, I tried to talk to people here, I kept smiling at them and greeting them very friendly, with some I tried to have conversations. I wanted to have friends, get to know people. But nobody here wanted to be my friend. Most of them didn't even want to greet me. I have no idea why. I certainly didn't fight with them. I didn't insult them. Yet they were mostly unfriendly towards me. So I accepted the situation. When people don't want to be my friend, I stay away. I stopped greeting everyone and smiling at them after a few months when I realised the situation wouldn't change anyway. What would you do, if you smile and greet every day and they don't greet you back, but instead just give you angry looks? Without any reason, while you don't even know them? I have never started any fight with them, when they were unpolite towards me, I just ignored them and stopped greeting them. So what exactly is their problem anyway?

Allah knows why they are doing this to me. I've quietly accepted everything all those years. Only in 2007 and in 2008 I tried to get justice. Then I stopped. I gave up. It doesn't seem to be much use.

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spain, holland, poland ...racist countries!

dont give up and continue going to the police. you need to make video evidence of what they are doing to you (and keep a back up of it!)

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listen if the police arent doing anything, then you need to move away. sell things if you have to but you are not safe there.

there must be someone or some social services that can help you.

Hi

We had a similar issue with kids throwing stones at our house and god knows what else....we recorded a lot of videos and took pictures and police came about 3-4 times.....after that the kids dont even look up at our house...get the camera ready and get police involved..once people c police cars in ur road they will get scared themselves..also get the local parish involved...we had loads of help from these people and now alhumdulilah everyfin is fine...

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OMG notorious.. i m so so sorry and hurt to hear ur prb. really i feel for u. the biggest prb i felt is that u live in holland... where u dun have a strong paki community. plus i m sure the locals there wud nt b as friendly as in other countries comparatively. but i still dun understand why they hate u so mch to let their children do this stuff. granted, parents are not aware of their kids misbehaving but still, they shud listen to both sides and then decide whether to beat u up or not!! it seems they are encouraging this act... its so sad that they beat u up for no gud reason... where is ur own family.. ur parents etc... do they live in same country? do u not have friends, collegues, anyone that could help u?? koi toh hoga???? tell us abt ur family ... i guess urs mite b a love marriage.. maybe thaz y u have strained relations with ur fam? anyway hang in there.. is it not possible u leave holland for some other place????

I can't complain anywhere. Saturday, I thought about calling the police when those kids were breaking my sons bike (Sunday we noticed his bike was gone! my son says he saw one of those Turkish kids who were throwing eggs on Saturday, riding on his bike!), and throwing eggs and apples, but then I remembered the behavior of the police when I had gone there for help after I was beaten up by those two women.

So I didn't call the police, knowing they probably won't help me anyway. Also every time I say something, they all deny and only blame me!

What can a lady alone do? Hey, a few months ago Turkish kids, I don't know which ones, but from our streets, were harrassing my son again, they were scaring him, not allowing him to go inside our appartment. They kept blocking the way so he couldn't go home. When he came near, they beat him everytime. I didn't what was going on outside. Anyway, my son was tired after a while, he really wanted to go home, use the bathroom, have something to eat, things like that. So he went to my parents home to tell my Dad and my brother and ask them to help him get inside our appartment building. My Dad and brother drove my son here, then they told my son to walk in our street, because they wanted to see what would happen. The kids who had been harrassing my son immediately went after him to beat him up again. Then my Dad and my kidbrother came to tell those kids to stay away from my son. But then their parents came and started to fight with my Dad and brother while they hadn't done anything. That's the kind of neighbourhood this is...

And I had no idea what was happening, I wasn't paying attention, just busy with my own things. So when my daughter told me my son was with my Dad and brother, I was very angry. Because we have had this family argument for years about my running away and divorce. So I was angry that my son had gone to my family home without even telling me. I was angry at my Dad and brother too because I thought they had deliberately tried to do something again without telling me. In that particular case, I shouldn't have been angry with my Dad and brother, because they had no idea my son would go to them and my son only went there to get help because he was so tired of waiting for those kids to leave him alone so he could go home. That time I was angry for nothing at my brother and Dad. I had no idea those kids were harrassing my son again.

There have been happening things like these for a while. I'm tired of everything. It seems everyone is allowed to be mean towards us without any reason at all. I'm tired of people trying to fight us.

Why didn't the neighbour who had pulled those two women off me testify that they were beating me on my kitchen floor? Or didn't the police ask him? I had told the police he had pulled them off me and he could probably give them a better description of their clothes. And why are my neighbours now claiming 'they didn't notice' all the noise those kids were making while throwing eggs and apples at my home?!

This is only meant to give me a more negative reputation. Why?


my son told me that the kids who beat him up this time are Turkish. The kids who beat him up the other time, more than once, **were coloured people**, black, they beat up my child and asked **their Turkish friends** to help them beat up my son.

^^^ for those saying she's in a wrong country.


I do know a few Pakistanis who were family friends when I was growing up. But even they were behaving strangely and even a few times very unfriendly towards me, only towards me.


With some I had a pleasant conversation, but then when I saw them again, they refused to even greet me. Most people refused to greet me back and instead gave me angry looks. Even at the school of my children. I don't know most of these people.


But nobody here wanted to be my friend. Most of them didn't even want to greet me. I have no idea why. I certainly didn't fight with them. I didn't insult them. Yet they were mostly unfriendly towards me. 

^^ I have no idea what to make of these ^^

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hmm noto, as much as i symphatise with u , i dun understand why ur family dusnt support u although u r livin in one country.. they can b gr8 support for u. frm wot uve written i understand u ran away and divorced?? that means ex hubs is in that country also?? if life is gettin tough being a single parent.. then i think u shud definitely think abt movin into ur family or... hate to say this get married to sum nice guy. i know its easier said than done.. but i m also confused what to advice...cus u cant leave the country, u cant live with family... then how is it gonna work... plus honestly tell us, how gud are your interpersonal skills... maybe its somethin abt the way u talk, body lang, or somethin that is turning ppl off... or they r not talkint to u.. just as the poster above indicated..?? strt off by mending relations with ur family... PLEASE this is really imp.. cus no matter how angry we are or they are, in the end they are parents and no one in this world cares for us more than our parents...
and no notorious, ur post dusnt give a -ve reputation. we are all here to help :)

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Notorious first of all if you tell us where do you live then we may do somthing legally or according to the rules of the country.. picture wtiness and all these things... you must keep with you and next step the right step I will tell what to do :)

Its a start of a battle now.. and be sure before starting it. DO OR DIE ... If you are daring enough to do it then step ahead otherwise keep calm sit back and watch the show of your own.

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she lives in holland

Holland, did she complained to anyone else like Police or social security, and her neighbours are locals or they are also expatraits.

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Hey. Sorry to here about your situation. A similar thing happened to my Uncle's family in London. They created a log book of events and also set up a cctv camera to record the front of their property. However in the end they moved house because the area they lived in was no good.

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^ were the neighbours racist to them?

I guess the lie detector checks your heartbeat when ya say something. Ager app ghabraein hui hon, aur app boldein k unhon ne app k saath esa kiya aur ager Khuda Na Qaasta Lie detector ne show kiya k app jhoot bol rae hain tou phir masla hosakhta hai. Dont take such risk. Yea idea i guess sahi nahi. I m sure that i heard it notes your heartbeat and then shows the result, that whether you are lying or not, dimagh main kia chal raha hai yea tou padh nahi sakhta. So like KC and other said, you should arrange a handy cam and create a evidence.

Thanks KC!!!

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Opps I stand corrected!!!!

Those kids just threw eggs again at my home. My son noticed it. He called me. But the kids had ran away. Then someone was in front of my building. I asked him if he had seen who threw the eggs at my home. He said yes. He said kids threw eggs and ran away. Then I asked him if he could testify that he saw them and he refused! He said he had more problems. And then I said I understood, but if he could tell me his name. Then at a different time he could testify that he saw kids throwing eggs at my home. He refused and became angry. So I just took pictures of him, so at least I have evidence that someone else saw those kids throwing eggs at my windows too. But he became mad. He even said he would throw stones at my home! And I kept telling him, that I only want his help, he only has to testify he saw those kids, but he kept refusing and telling me he would smash my windows with stones and refused help. Then one of those Turkish women, came. I asked my son if she was one of the mothers whose children did this, and my son says she probably is. So I politely asked her to come. She refused. I said I only wanted to talk. She refused. She's one of the mothers whose children threw the eggs and called my son and me 'whore' I think, or one of their friends. From now on, I see her as a 'whore' for allowing those kids do what they did.

Yes, those children really do have permission to throw eggs and everybody wants to see me react to them. That's why I think that guy who I asked for help, refuses to testify. I kept asking him to help me and he kept refusing and instead wanted to fight.

It's obvious. I'm going to upload the picture of the guy who just a few minutes ago claimed he had seen kids throw eggs at me and then refused to help me by testifying that he saw them. I understand him if he says he had all kinds of problems, but why does he refuse me to help some other day then? All he has to do is tell the police that he too saw kids throwing eggs.

They all have permission. The kids now ran away quickly. It's no use trying to take photos of them I guess. I don't have any camera. I'm going back to my much more interesting books. Let them throw more eggs, I"m not even coming outside anymore. They probably just enjoyed my coming outside... Not reacting at all is better.

I called a different police station this morning. They think I should talk to the police officer who is in charge of my piece of neighbourhood. I met him a few times, I have no idea if I can trust him or not. I don't know if he's going to believe me or not. I don't have any expectations at all.

If I call my parents, my Dad is going to get in trouble. They'll all fight him and my brother probably, like last time when my son went there to ask their help.

I'm thinking about leaving Holland. I'll manage in Pakistan. I wanted to waite for my kids to grow up first here. But what future do we have here? Maybe my parents can arrange papers for us and we can leave this year. My children have no future here if everyone keeps bothering us. I don't have money to move to another appartment. I went through so much trouble to make my appartment pleasant for my children and me. Then I think I should stay here and not leave because of all this.