same here, first ther pull-out and then this, … not anymore my favorites 
like they care, eh??
Yeah...but SA should look into themselves too as basically they are boeren... :D
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I am for the banning.
Cricket can be played without hurling the F word at every other batsman. Yes, you may occassionaly have a light chat with the batsman offering him some advice on how he should've played the pull shot. But to abuse a batsman (who is trying to concentrate and not saying anything to the bowler) is unnecessary.
I liked what Andre Nel did to Shoaib Malik today. After one of his attempted bouncers was left alone by SHoaib Malik, he went close to him and did a mocking of teary eyes. That's OK. But to say the F word is not.
PS. I must admit that I love it when players sledge eachother. It's really fun to see how the reaction is.
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buddy funguy, what nel did was called taunting. you do that at any game in america, especially football, you will get a 15 yard penalty and a possible fine not to mention the wrath of your coach and team mates. you know i felt sorry for that guy who got his eyes busted by shoaib but now after i see what kinda cowards these saffies are i really hope shoaib would bust out his other eye too. the only way anyone can condemn shoaib is by questioning why he did'nt go after nel and bust the a-holes jaw or something.
I am with the implementation of rules and handing the punishments to the players but across board. Lloyed is clearly trying to move back into good books of SA and trying to balance his decision against SA players.
If Shoaib Akhter has said “F” word to SA players he should be banned but then this is same Lloyed who let NEL go without any punishment when he was cursing (probably the same word) to Shoaib and shoaib Malik even tell that to the umpire.
What the hell kind of fruity rules are these. How can you ban a fuy for using the F word during a sporting event. This is'nt ballroom dancing. This guy is throwing a hard ball at 100 MPH at the batsman. This is serious business. What a joke, how can you ban someone for such a stupid offense. Maybe this is one of the reasons cricket can never be popular in North America.
^ Yeah, and who the hell calls it a "gentelman's game" when you're facing 100 mph deliveries. look what "gentelman's game" did to Kirsten. :p
While his case is pending, can he still play 2nd test?
Just uplift the ban and get it over with.
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While his case is pending, can he still play 2nd test?
Just uplift the ban and get it over with.
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ICC has said he cannot play while his appeal is pending.
I was just wondering...how long it took for Mr. Lloyd to announce punishment to Shoaib and Hall ?
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I was just wondering...how long it took for Mr. Lloyd to announce punishment to Shoaib and Hall ?
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In case of Hall, he had to look at video which took like a week from happening, and in case of Shoaib all SA had to do was file the case.
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In case of Hall, he had to look at video which took like a week from happening, and in case of Shoaib all SA had to do was file the case.
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And during that period the 3rd ODI was played in which both Hall and Smith took part.
I dont understand why these match refs suck up to Goras. I must say that I have lost all my respect I had for Mr. Lloyd as a player and Captain of WI team.
He reminds me of Ranjan Madugale.
We’re not in the playground now-by Kamran Abbasi
South Africa v Pakistan 2003-04
We’re not in the playground now
Why did South Africa do it? What was Graeme Smith thinking? Has Paul Adams never been sworn at before? Shoaib Akhtar is a naughty boy, for sure, but spitting two familiar swear-words at South Africa’s quirky spinner hardly constituted a capital offence. There can be few cricketers – professional or amateur – who have not reserved their choicest Shakespearean prose for an opponent.
And there can be few cricketers who have been personally wounded by a couple of common-or-garden swear-words, the kind of language you could hear in any playground in the English-speaking world – and I mean little children here. Picture the scene:
“Please Mr Lloyd, that boy with the girl’s eyes, floppy hair, and bendy joints called my friend an f*$%ing twat, can you please ban him from the playground for a week or I’ll tell my mummy?”
“Did he hit Paul?”
“No.”
“Did he spit at him?”
“No, sir.”
“Did he mean it?”
“I don’t think so, but those bulging eyes frighten us.”
“Have you ever sworn at him?”
“Not really, sir, but some of my friends have said that, and worse, to him before.”
“How did he react to that?”
“He just laughed at us sir, which made us very cross. It’s not fair sir, he’s supposed to look up to us.”
“I’ve heard enough, Graeme. I know what it’s like in the playground, people swear at each other all the time; they even did it my day. Oh, the things my friend Viv used to say. There was a time people just accepted it as part of playing, part of growing up. I think they still should, after all, I am the man who once said that what happens in the middle should stay out in the middle. But as you’ve asked especially nicely – and I know you and your friends didn’t really want to be at this school in the first place – I’ll suspend Shoaib for seven full days. How about that? Anyway, these curries day and night are wreaking havoc with my constitution, and that Aleem Dar has the stinkiest feet.”
Agreed, this would never happen. What’s absurd for children is preposterous for international cricketers participating in a gladiatorial contest, where the battle is tough and emotions run high.
We don’t want our cricketers to be softies. We don’t want our fast bowlers to smile pleasantly at batsmen and enquire: “Are you all right old chap?” Cricket was a gentleman’s game – and it still is, except that gentlemen have changed.
We don’t mind a bit of swearing in the heat of battle: we love the intense emotion of it all. We don’t want physical contact (Andrew Hall). We don’t want a captain to support bad behaviour (Graeme Smith). We don’t want a batsman poking his bat in people’s faces (Yousuf Youhana). But we do want our heroes to be real people who feel anger, frustration, joy, and ennui. We don’t want a sport sanitised by bureaucrats with more time on their hands than common sense in their heads.
Graeme Smith is a fine batsman and a smooth communicator, but he is in danger of leading South Africa down the road to nowhere. Fearless leadership has graced the greatest teams of our time. Clive Lloyd, Viv Richards, Mark Taylor and Steve Waugh never flinched in the face of their sternest adversaries, accepted the toughest challenges with a lick of their lips, and never offered an excuse for failure, just responded with resolve. For Pakistan, Imran Khan was hewn from the same rock, and for South Africa, Hansie Cronje was too before he chose the smell of leather jackets over the sound of leather on bat.
For a team ranked second in the world, South Africa have been found wanting on this tour. Their middle order lacks the grit of Cronje and the bounce of Jonty Rhodes. Their bowling misses the venom of Allan Donald, and even the guile of Pat Symcox. Their team is troubled by genuine pace and tortured by legspin. It is a young team, like Pakistan’s, and this tour is an important learning experience. But Australia and England know that to win in Asia you have to embrace Asia. South Africa, with their initial reluctance to tour and now their silly complaint against Shoaib, are barely embracing the norms of international cricket, let alone the added challenges of the Asian experience.
South Africa spent much of the one-day series spitting venom at Pakistan’s players. Andre Nel and Andrew Hall particularly enjoyed themselves, tempting Pakistan’s players into indiscretions into the bargain. But Pakistan, like any other international team – other than South Africa, apparently – accepted it as part of the rules of engagement.
Ironically, by complaining about Shoaib, South Africa gagged their own players, rendering their own attack virtually impotent. That, as much as Pakistan’s excellence and South Africa’s other failings, cost Smith’s side the first Test.
This silliness cannot continue. We need Richie Benaud’s wisdom to restore some sanity, reset the benchmark, and allow us a fitting, highly charged conclusion to this exciting (if badly behaved) little tour, which everyone who has seen it has cherished every minute of.
http://www-usa.cricket.org/db/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2003/OCT/375736_PAKRSA2003-04_22OCT2003.html
Richie Benaud, just refused the plea....
The Ban in on, Shoaib Wont play for seven days....
These goraas are fu$cI*8 A$$70|#.....
Pakistan’s Shoaib loses appeal](http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/031022/323/ebtze.html)
LONDON (AFP) - Pakistan fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar has lost his appeal against a Test Match and two One-Day International ban.
Shoaib will miss the second Test against South Africa at Faisalabad starting on Friday and the first two games of a five-match home one-day series against New Zealand next month.
Shoaib was banned by International Cricket Council match referee Clive Lloyd for using foul language against South African tail-ender Paul Adams during the first day of the first Test in Lahore last Friday.
Former Australia captain Richie Benaud, appointed to hear the appeal by the ICC’s Code of Conduct Commission said Shoaib had admitted he was guilty.
“In my view, the reason for the implementing of the ICC Code, is so captains in particular and players in general, will embrace the Preamble to the Laws of Cricket, which makes quite clear what is required of them on the field,” Benaud said.
"The appeal I am asked to determine relates to the sentence imposed by Mr Lloyd, not to the actual offence.
“It seems to me that Mr Lloyd correctly followed the Code of Conduct rules in every way after Shoaib Akhtar accepted, and said, he was guilty.”
The career of the 27-year-old Shoaib has been fraught with controversy.
Last November he was reprimanded for ball-tampering during the first Test against Zimbabwe in Harare. On the same tour, Shoaib was handed a one-day ban after he threw a water bottle at spectators.
In May, Shoaib was banned for two one-day internationals and fined 75 percent of his match fee after he was found guilty of tampering with the ball during a tri-series match against New Zealand in Sri Lanka.
Richie Benaud's from the old school who believe that the Ashes is the only series of any significance so not really a big surprise there.
Actually I have a very effective solution which will show up the ICC decision for what it is.
FIRST Pakistan should launch an official complaint against Andre Nel's mocking 'crybaby' routine which will be rejected.
Then when Andre Nel is beaten by a good delivery the bowler should mockingly wipe their arse in his direction in other words letting him know what a complete arsehole he is.
This will be replayed again and again on tv where Clive Lloyd and the ICC can watch to their content.
When i read the Richie Beanud will decide the appeal, i knew it wasnt gonna be accepted. Because first of all, Mr. Richie is always biased in his commentry, he used to be very good but lately i have observed he has gone too far in praising Australia. Yes Australia is the best no doubt but he is sooo interested in labelling every player the best in his own right. He continuously labelled Brett Lee "consistently fastest bowler in world cricket *by miles * " During the worldcup when clearly Shoaib , though being ineffective had an egde over Lee (I dont wanna start who is fastest or who is not). Secondly, commentating in the last years ashes series, there was a lot of swearing from lee and Mcgrath and he said, aggression. Come on Referrees, there MUST be some consistency, Pakistani authorites should monitor every act of swearing from now on involving every nation and act liek cry babies coz the world wants them to.
Benaud also said the he has ignored the actualy offfense, this is ridiculous....... You HAVE to keep in mind what lead to it. But hey "Lloyd ko kyun naraaz karoon, mere saath khailta raha hai, yeh shaibi tu kul ka bacha hai, Lloyd nay tu mujh se katti ho jana hai " DUH!!!
Richie Benaud is from the old ICC brigade and his time was more in tune with colonialism. Anyone who has seen him commentating on British tv will know exactly what I mean.
The decision has been made and now PCB needs to make a concerted effort to dredge up old footage of Aussies sledging and cursing so the lawbook can be thrown at them.
Also Andre Nel's furious and sustained outburst against Shoaib Malik in the 5th ODI must be reported to Lloyd as it surely brought the game into disrepute.
oh yeah Defintely, Pakistan should complain to ICC with the footage that is ONE damning evidence. Bohut TC ker li, bohut mehmaan nawaazi ho gayee… yeh tu sur per hee charh gaye. 
It was very much expected, the pace with which the decision was taken to ban him was a clear indication that it wouldn't be taken back. Slave refs.