Shia - Sunni Unity , One god , One religion , One ummah!

[malang007]

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Shame on you. Forget what shias call or say about Umm ul Momimeen Hazrat Aisha (RA), see what have you done. you are intentionally or unintentionally posting their views here on the forum and hurting the majority of the Muslims who do not agree with shia ideology. I strongly recommend that Moderators should block your account. Furthermore i don't believe that majority of shias also believe in what you have said. so keep quiet if you don't know what to say.

shame on me bcoz i exposed the believes of shias about Hazrat e Aisha Sidiqa RA
shame on me bcoz i am telling the truth
shame on me bcoz i am not accepting shias as my brothers bcoz they insult sahaba and Umahatul Momineen

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Astagfirullah!

Can you please stop. She's revered as the Mother of all Faithfuls. Malang, i sincerely hope you pray to God for forgiveness.

It's sad to see you people degrading the Prophet (PBUH) indirectly by bad mouthing Hazrat Aisha (r.a.).

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BRO read my post carefully i just talked about what shias believe i didnt tell you my own believe you should be saying these words to shias not me
i crus that person who says bad about Hazrat e Aisha Sidiqa RA

[Das_Reich]

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^ and I curse those who wage war against the messanger of God

[aqeel123]

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again, i wonder with this kind of knowledge and lack of common sense, how can people have a decent discussion with non-Muslims. That's why i only jump into debate when i see this problem.

@tegy brother you are making no sense. The worst sin on this planet according to Islam is worshiping something/someone other than Allah or not believing in His existence. Now if i say "An atheist told me that Allah is an evil" or "Islamic haters say that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was a womanizer" astegfirullah, does this make me a sinner? I'm quoting and telling you what allegations other people are laying against Allah and the character of Prophet (SAW). Could you please explain me how exactly would i become a sinner? This is the same in brother malang's case!

yeh, using words like those for our mothers (RA) hurt Islam but calling them sinners and slandering them doesn't hurt Islam eh! Right bro aqeel?

Could you please show me the verse(s) where Allah ordered our mothers (RA) to stay at their houses and don't go outside? Let's turn this thread into decent discussion instead of hatred. Bro Malang, please hold your thoughts; i would appreciate.

calling wrong is not wrong, just because someone was Rasool s.a.w wife doesnt mean she was rite ,,,, or just being sahabi isnt enough unless they r loyal to ALLAH and his Rasool s.a.w

The source u wanted is here ,,,
Surah ahzaab surah number 33 ayat 33
so 33:33 :)
32. **O ye wives of the Prophet! Ye are not like any other women. If ye keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech.
**33. And stay in your houses. Bedizen not yourselves with the bedizenment of the Time of Ignorance. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor-due, and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing

and i wud really appritiate if someone cud put this wana be malang a leash !
Thanks
wasalam
Aqeel

@chanda_kh

Could you please show me the verse(s) where Allah ordered our mothers (RA) to stay at their houses and don't go outside? Let's turn this thread into decent discussion instead of hatred. Bro Malang, please hold your thoughts; i would appreciate.

true......since when is this a common misconception that women are not allowed to go outside of their homes...or drive...or not vote.. women have been teachers, traders, successful business women,advisors, health care providers(daaees, doctors--women's health),and all kinds of jobs that catered to women...and of all ages...no restrictions....Women of islam were given voting rights (42:38)...she has the right to own property,wealth..pursue professions in civil/justice systems...etc...as men your responsibility should be to make sure they are protected...instead of finding ways to take such rights away from us...

bro read the posts first and try understanding what people are talkin abt and then post ur comments ... these orders are only for Azwaj-e-Rasool s.a.w not for every women.

shame on me bcoz i exposed the believes of shias about Hazrat e Aisha Sidiqa RA shame on me bcoz i am telling the truth shame on me bcoz i am not accepting shias as my brothers bcoz they insult sahaba and Umahatul Momineen

BRO read my post carefully i just talked about what shias believe i didnt tell you my own believe you should be saying these words to shias not me i crus that person who says bad about Hazrat e Aisha Sidiqa RA

u r not sunni u r anti shia .. u are imposing shia belives here ... Shia's dont give her honor like Hazrat Khadija s.a but this doesnt mean that u get to decide what shia belives are. Sahaba, i personally think it wud be an honor for me to if sumone calls me there slave ! but that doesnt apply to all Sahaba's ... And yea there were some hypocrates and i dont have any respect for them.
I am not here to make collection of brothers and neither is anyone else... Having bro's like u wont take anyone anywhere its just respect that u show to people with different believes ...
Forget shaba's ask ur self when u call Rasool s.a.w uneductaed for 40 yrs... shldnt u be cursed for having such ridiculous belive ?
I dunno y am i even concenrned abt ur belives u r a waste ... even sunni's shld be ashamed of having sunni's like u

[aqeel123]

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[aqeel123]

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[AllahkaBanda]

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^aqeel bro, please don't post multiple replies one after another. This only makes the thread longer and hence hard to follow. Use the multi quote option or edit your post.

anyway, do you accept sunni sources?

[lakkis25]

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Yes they do. One of the first anti-Islam sites I came across was published by a Hindu, and it had a lot of hateful things about the Prophet.

link please

[Moonshiner]

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@lakkis25

link please

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/

[aqeel123]

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^Now if i say "An atheist told me that Allah is an evil" or "Islamic haters say that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was a womanizer" astegfirullah, does this make me a sinner? I'm quoting and telling you what allegations other people are laying against Allah and the character of Prophet (SAW). Could you please explain me how exactly would i become a sinner? This is the same in brother malang's case!.

Bro excuse my language here ... But if someone calls u son of a prostitute ... u wont be typing here word prostitute next to Name of ur mother... Atleast i wont, because of the respect i have for my mother or in that case any mother .... It just harsh using word prostitute for any woman ... If I think its disrespectful to use this word for any woman then how can some muslim use this for wife of Rasool s.a.w ! and then keep mentioning it like he is trying to advertise

[aqeel123]

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[Robert]

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@aqeel123

Bro excuse my language here ... But if someone calls u son of a prostitute ... u wont be typing here word prostitute next to Name of ur mother... Atleast i wont, because of the respect i have for my mother or in that case any mother .... It just harsh using word prostitute for any woman ... If I think its disrespectful to use this word for any woman then how can some muslim use this for wife of Rasool s.a.w ! and then keep mentioning it like he is trying to advertise

some people dont like all sahabas or all wives of the prophet. learn to deal with it.
it has nothing to do with their being muslims or not. Someone saying bad about Ayesha, is not more than going to war against her. Remember Jang-e-Jamel? These are, at best, political opinions. Don't get too emotional about someone, who is not the core of this faith. There are only five pillers, don't add new ones.

[aqeel123]

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@Robert

some people dont like all sahabas or all wives of the prophet. learn to deal with it. it has nothing to do with their being muslims or not. Someone saying bad about Ayesha, is not more than going to war against her. Remember Jang-e-Jamel? These are, at best, political opinions. Don't get too emotional about someone, who is not the core of this faith. There are only five pillers, don't add new ones.

I am one of those people u r mentioning .....

[AllahkaBanda]

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Can some mod please tell aqeel to learn how to post....i mean what's the deal with multiple posts one after another.

@aqeel123

Bro excuse my language here ... But if someone calls u son of a prostitute ... u wont be typing here word prostitute next to Name of ur mother... Atleast i wont, because of the respect i have for my mother or in that case any mother .... It just harsh using word prostitute for any woman ... If I think its disrespectful to use this word for any woman then how can some muslim use this for wife of Rasool s.a.w ! and then keep mentioning it like he is trying to advertise

bro, listen. If you decide not to use a certain bad word for a person out of respect doesn't make you a better believer than the person who does it to describe other people's belief. This is the problem and flaw in your logic. Read again what brother teggy wrote. He asked brother Malang to repent why because he used the correct word which if not all some shia uses for Prophet's (SAW) beloved wife, 'Aisha (RA). **That's why i asked how exactly does someone become a sinner by describing the accusation laid by other people against someone! **No one has been able to answer me.

As far using a word to describe the accusation laid against my mother. Well, Jews accused Hadhrat Maryam (AS) and Allah described the whole story. So, if you have a problem with this issue, go deal with Allah (SWT). Ask Allah Ta'ala why didn't He show some respect for her (AS)! Ask Him why did He told us that Jews accused her (AS) of adultery. After all, according to you this is disrespectful and bad.

I'm still waiting for my earlier question: do you accept sunni sources?

Please sometime think outside the box and don't pass your own fatwas on people without any support of Islamic text.

[aqeel123]

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@AllahkaBanda

Can some mod please tell aqeel to learn how to post....i mean what's the deal with multiple posts one after another. bro, listen. If you decide not to use a certain bad word for a person out of respect doesn't make you a better believer than the person who does it to describe other people's belief. This is the problem and flaw in your logic. Read again what brother teggy wrote. He asked brother Malang to repent why because he used the correct word which if not all some shia uses for Prophet's (SAW) beloved wife, 'Aisha (RA). **That's why i asked how exactly does someone become a sinner by describing the accusation laid by other people against someone! **No one has been able to answer me.

As far using a word to describe the accusation laid against my mother. Well, Jews accused Hadhrat Maryam (AS) and Allah described the whole story. So, if you have a problem with this issue, go deal with Allah (SWT). Ask Allah Ta'ala why didn't He show some respect for her (AS)! Ask Him why did He told us that Jews accused her (AS) of adultery. After all, according to you this is disrespectful and bad.

I'm still waiting for my earlier question: do you accept sunni sources?

Please sometime think outside the box and don't pass your own fatwas on people without any support of Islamic text.

Ok first of all u gota tell me what r u having problem with, my mutiple posts that i specifically edited and tried to make em one since they confuse you. Or having different belives then you or the source i provided u from Quran that proofs aisha wrong or something else,
Now lemme tell u a little story... abt an year ago probablly little more am sure u are aware of it, that few European countries made cartoons of our Prophet s.a.w and posted em on news paper ... thats wrong every muslim condems them .... Now one of our muslim fellows ... I dun even remember which country he was from probably turky or sumwhere in middle east ... anyway this smart muslim fellow like malang posted those cartoons on his newspaper telling how european made cartoons of Rasool s.a.w on news paper and forgot that he was doing the same when he posted the cartoons ... now use ur mind and figure out what is problem with malangs posts
And plz tell me why do u praise aisha more then Other Ajwaj-e-Rasool s.a.w ... even when aisha didnt respect orders from Quran ?

I do accpet em .. not all mentioned earlier.... They give an idea that u have ur belives based on sumthin !

[AllahkaBanda]

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^so are you telling me that the brother, who re-published the cartoons to show Muslims what non-Muslims have done, committed a sin? You still haven't answered my question regarding the story of Hadhrat Maryam (AS)! What about the stories of Hadhrat Yousf (AS) and our mother 'Aisha (RA)? In all three stories Allah told us that the slander of adultery was thrown at them!

I asked two times already: do you accept sunni sources? I'll only refute your question regarding the wives of Prophet (SAW) going out when you answer my question.

as far respecting our mothers (RA), unlike shias we respect and love all of them and praise their great qualities and characters. After all, which stupid wouldn't love his own mother. The one that you people slander, Allah Ta'ala stepped in when kufar slandered her and proved her (RA) innocence in the Qur'an. Therefore, slandering Prophets (AS) and their companions (RA) is not a new custom. It is the old habit of kufar.

As far concerning why do love her more, i think this question is more appropriate for Prophet (SAW). When you see him on the day of judgment, then ask him why did He (SAW) loved Hadhrat 'Aisha (RA) more than his other wives.

[aqeel123]

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There are ways to say bad things nice way ... and nice things bad way .... adultery is when u comit zana, prostitution is when u do it for money, If Quran says shias claim aisha was like that its diffent then what malang is doing over here, and y am i even defending aisha ??? she is the one going on war against Ali a.s. u can call her what you want, not my concern ! u might as well mention what shia's call ur first three caliphs and so on .... do add little spice in your stories as Malang seems to love it.
next time u shld provide source bfr u tell a stroy from Quran.
Okay i have answer ur sources question. but seems like u r really want me to say no ! ....

Back to Topic.... The sects started after Our Prophet s.a.w left. Now people didnt have a choice to put Prophet s.a.w along the side buy getting more votes then Prophet s.a.w coz he was appointed by ALLAH. We beleive same goes to imamat, but u guys bring introduce election... I wonder howcome u guys didnt elect Prophets the way u elected ur calpihs. This sunni shia system is 1400 years old. we have wars in history more than 1400 years ago ....
Now unity is not a case until Qayamat well all know that, Specially when we have people like malang imposing shia believes like Shia's belive ALLAH can comit sin , and shia belives Hazrat Ali was supposed to be Prophet and jibrael came to Mohammed s.a.w by mistake .... And what ever he mentioned abt ayesha ! You guys shld make up some more ! But this doesnt mean shia belives that.

[Robert]

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@aqeel123

I am one of those people u r mentioning .....

You did'nt get my point. My point is, its (relatively) OK to dislike some sahabas and prophet's wives. It will not affect your core belief. So you should not get upset, when you hear someone saying bad about anybody irrelevant to the core beliefs.

[malang007]

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^ and I curse those who wage war against the messanger of God

am with you

[aqeel123]

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@Robert

You did'nt get my point. My point is, its (relatively) OK to dislike some sahabas and prophet's wives. It will not affect your core belief. So you should not get upset, when you hear someone saying bad about anybody irrelevant to the core beliefs.

No actually i initally knew what u were talkin abt... i just said that so u wud know i get ur point already :) Thanks

[AllahkaBanda]

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let me break down your post bro aqeel and please try to learn few things from my reply.

@aqeel123

There are ways to say bad things nice way ... and nice things bad way ....

Again, let go back to my previous point. No one in this world knows better than Allah (SWT), so get over your ideology of saying bad things in nicer way. Qur'an tells us the story about people to whom the allegation of adultery was thrown; therefore we learn from this that there is nothing wrong with mentioning it.

@aqeel123

adultery is when u comit zana, prostitution is when u do it for money

ummm... so how exactly adultery and prostitution are different? So, are you telling me that a prostitute does not commit zina?

@aqeel123

If Quran says shias claim aisha was like that its diffent then what malang is doing over here

no one said Qur'an says it. Where did you get this from? Please tell me how exactly it is different?

@aqeel123

and y am i even defending aisha ??? she is the one going on war against Ali a.s. u can call her what you want, not my concern! u might as well mention what shia's call ur first three caliphs and so on .... do add little spice in your stories as Malang seems to love it.

exactly, why are you defending your own mother? Sorry to disappoint you, but we do not spice things up; we only say what you people say about them.

@aqeel123

next time u shld provide source bfr u tell a stroy from Quran.

what kind of source? Is Qur'anic reference not enough for you? Read the interpretation of the meaning of Surah Maryam, Surah Yousuf and Surah Noor.

@aqeel123

Back to Topic.... The sects started after Our Prophet s.a.w left. Now people didnt have a choice to put Prophet s.a.w along the side buy getting more votes then Prophet s.a.w coz he was appointed by ALLAH.

and who was trying to take the leadership, while he (SAW) was alive?

@aqeel123

We beleive same goes to imamat, but u guys bring introduce election... I wonder howcome u guys didnt elect Prophets the way u elected ur calpihs. This sunni shia system is 1400 years old. we have wars in history more than 1400 years ago

Right! Your Imams who come centuries after the death of Prophet (SAW) are chosen by Allah but pious Shabas (RA) who lived with him (SAW) and sacrificed everything for Islam were not chosen by Allah. The bolded part, it is pathetic and you are contradicting your above statement. Is there anyone better than Prophets (AS)? Unless, you people think that way, or at least some of you do who have put your Imams above them!

Few things to note:
1 - Brother Aqeel failed to show that what brother Malang said was a sin.
2 - Only lunatics slanders Umul Momineen 'Aiasha (RA) when Qur'an tells us that she is our mother.