Shia - Sunni Unity , One god , One religion , One ummah!

[mary_poppins]

Salam aleikum,

I thought i should start this thread as i feel obligated to respond to a post by one members of this forumboard, but fortunatly the thread on abu lulu got closed, a murderer whose motives were not islamic related but were carried out due personal vegenance , nationalism and hypocrisy.
Imam ali as condemned bloodshedding and also the killing of the third caliph! So should we and thank got scholars agreed on closing his tomb!

Anyhow someone mentioned a sad truth that there may be sunnis who do not respect us. they call us kaffirs, mushrik, regard us as deviants and yet there are also unfortunatly shias who say the same !

Doesnt islam teaches us to respect and love each other as brothers and sisters? Isnt it the same quran that we both believe in as the complete book and message of allah swt that tells us to respect other monothestic religions , the believers of the book ie christians and the jews?

In these difficult times that we as muslims face and are being tested we should unite our hands together instead of wasting our time on accusing each other! It causes a lot more damage and incredibility!
Hatred and ignorance is the cause of all evil which is being spread by a vast growing majority of ppl , be it in pakistan , afghanistan , europe wherever and even online, pls dont write nonsense in the name of whatever sschool you are following it is not the shias or the sunnis , it is we and we alone that are our own enemy.

Islam teaches us to read, learn . interact , to know and respect each other! How can we demand or expect others to respect^and accept us for being muslims while we dont accept each other ? and yet we say the same qalimah and pray to the same direction?

Why is there so much hatred among us and yet condemn others for the cause of it? Why is there so much jahiliya and still we dont use our logic and reason while being blessed with advanced technology and equipment and yet use it in the wrong way?

Getting closer to allah swt and understanding islam is to Question yourself in order to know yourself thats our jihad that we should strive for.
Let us use this forum for taqwa instead of damaging an image that is already damaged by Ignorance!

Let us not only copy paste what we read from other websites that uses sources that are false and aim nothing but to incite hatred, and please lets not play a copy - paste molvi but really start diggin and reseacrh about the truth

Allah is the all knowing , the best judge of all judges , the creator and the most raheem and kareem. Peace out

[mary_poppins]

Re: Shia - Sunni Unity , One god , One religion , One ummah!

^ i wrote it in a hurry ... so dont mind the spelling/grammar mistakes

[reon]

Re: Shia - Sunni Unity , One god , One religion , One ummah!

Brother, you rightly said that we should come forward and love each other no matter who we are and what sect we belong to. After all, we all are Muslims and we should respect each other.

The dispute between Shia and Sunni starts on the successor of the Holy Prophet i.e. Shia believes that it was Hazrat Ali's right whereas Sunni's say that there were indications from the Prophet (SAW) of Allah that Hazrat Abu Bakr should be the first Khalifah (caliph ) of Islam.

When you analyze carefully you will find that this dispute is not on Allah, not on Prophet Muhammad (SAW), not on Quran or the teachings of the Prophet (SAW) but on the successor of the Prophet (SAW). So, if someone believes this way or the other way does not exclude him from Islam. Therefore if one community calls the other "Kafir" then its totally wrong. Allah knows who is right or wrong. Instead of wasting our precious time on resolving this dispute, we should recite the Holy Quran with translation and try our best to understand its true message and teachings.

The meaning of Islam is Peace not Dispute or fight. Remember.

Wallah A'lam

[Mirch]

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First of all , we have to define who is Muslim. Then decide being Muslim is enough to be loved by other Muslims. If yes then we can live in peace and harmony.
There can be divisions based on concept of Imamat vs Khilafat.
Mutta being allowed or discontinued.
Holy Prophet is Hazir wa Nazir or not. etc etc etc
But these divisions will not be the basis of hating each other and go after each other's throat. No ?

[Zainiest]

Re: Shia - Sunni Unity , One god , One religion , One ummah!

Salam aleikum,

I thought i should start this thread as i feel obligated to respond to a post by one members of this forumboard, but fortunatly the thread on abu lulu got closed, a murderer whose motives were not islamic related but were carried out due personal vegenance , nationalism and hypocrisy. Imam ali as condemned bloodshedding and also the killing of the third caliph! So should we and thank got scholars agreed on closing his tomb!

Anyhow someone mentioned a sad truth that there may be sunnis who do not respect us. they call us kaffirs, mushrik, regard us as deviants and yet there are also unfortunatly shias who say the same !

Doesnt islam teaches us to respect and love each other as brothers and sisters? Isnt it the same quran that we both believe in as the complete book and message of allah swt that tells us to respect other monothestic religions , the believers of the book ie christians and the jews?

In these difficult times that we as muslims face and are being tested we should unite our hands together instead of wasting our time on accusing each other! It causes a lot more damage and incredibility! Hatred and ignorance is the cause of all evil which is being spread by a vast growing majority of ppl , be it in pakistan , afghanistan , europe wherever and even online, pls dont write nonsense in the name of whatever sschool you are following it is not the shias or the sunnis , it is we and we alone that are our own enemy.

Islam teaches us to read, learn . interact , to know and respect each other! How can we demand or expect others to respect^and accept us for being muslims while we dont accept each other ? and yet we say the same qalimah and pray to the same direction?

Why is there so much hatred among us and yet condemn others for the cause of it? Why is there so much jahiliya and still we dont use our logic and reason while being blessed with advanced technology and equipment and yet use it in the wrong way?

Getting closer to allah swt and understanding islam is to Question yourself in order to know yourself thats our jihad that we should strive for. Let us use this forum for taqwa instead of damaging an image that is already damaged by Ignorance!

Let us not only copy paste what we read from other websites that uses sources that are false and aim nothing but to incite hatred, and please lets not play a copy - paste molvi but really start diggin and reseacrh about the truth

Allah is the all knowing , the best judge of all judges , the creator and the most raheem and kareem. Peace out

Aapp ki feelings achee hain - i wish you had put ra after the** third caliph**- it would have a nice gesture from you, do you agree?

[aqeel123]

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Nice topic ..... I admire it

[ashtray]

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isnt mary poppins Lusi? just want to know before I say anything in her threads.

[aqeel123]

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Aapp ki feelings achee hain - i wish you had put ra after the** third caliph**- it would have a nice gesture from you, do you agree?

I dunno about the belives of the person above ...
But i am letting u know that I am ofended when someone uses r.a for Imam Ali when i think a.s should be used
Putting r.a for Imam ali is a sunni belives so they can do what there belives are.
Same goes to third caliph ... U think r.a should be used and u shls use it, however shia belives are little different So i hope u respect shia belives as they respect sunni belives when a sunni uses r.a for Imam Ali a.s or Imam Husnain a.s.
Wasalm
Aqeel

[Das_Reich]

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*Shia - Sunni Unity , One god , One religion , One ummah!*

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nowhere do i see karbala in this ...yet one man of a different sect disagrees with you on this event u guys call him a kaffir in another thread ! yet u talk about unity
its usually the minority which is interested in unity anyways as they have more to gain from it

and relax...i dont defend zakir naik either i think he is overrated to begin with esp. since some people think he is the THE authority on islam ...he is clearly deficent in hadith and history
but i dont call him a kafir

[mary_poppins]

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Aapp ki feelings achee hain - i wish you had put ra after the** third caliph**- it would have a nice gesture from you, do you agree?

Thanks brother, i appreciate .

It is a common custom among Muslims to recite "Radhi Allaho Ta-allah Anho" after the names of Righteous Companions of Rasool Allah [saww].

Rasool Allah [saww] never ordered that the later generations of Muslims to say "Radhi Allaho Anho" whenever the names of Sahaba were mentioned. Neither did the Sahaba used the term "Radhi Allaho Anho" after the names of each other nor did the Taba'een used to do this after the names of Sahaba. This was not the case with Daroof (Salwaath), in which they would always showers blessing and peace upon Rasool Allah [saww] and his progeny whenever the name of Rasool Allah [saww] was mentioned.

It was later Muslim generations, who introduced this custom for the first time, they did so according to their own OPINION, which is why they felt that it did not constitute a violation to any "Established Law of Islam" and found it in complete harmony with it's principles (even if it didn't exist in the time of Rasool Allah [saww]).

And the Reward for this Muslim Generation, in the words of Rasool Allah [saww]:

"He who introduced some good practice in Islam which was followed after him (by people) he would be assured of reward like one who followed it, without their rewards being diminished in any respect."
Sahih Muslim, Book 034, Number 6466

If Salafies still believe that their definition is correct, then they must declare whole of the Muslim Ummah to be "Mubt'adi"(Innovator), indulged in "Dhalalah"(Misguided), who are the fuel of Hell fire, because the whole Ummah says "Radhi Allaho Anho" after the names of Sahaba (including Salafies themselves too).

But here Salafies come up with their Double Standards. Instead of condemning this act (as they should do according to their self-invented definition of bidah), they deem it to be a highly virtuous act.

Saudi Tafseer e Quran:
Saudi Government distributed millions of Qur'an in Pakistan with Urdu Translation and Tafseer (printed by Shah Fahad printing Complex in Madina). In the commentary of the last verse of Surah Al-Mujaddla:

"... it is a custom (i.e. not from Qur'an or Sunnah) to use "Radhi Allah Anham" for Sahaba and "Alaihim Salat o Salam" for the Prophets. It is the same like "Rehmat ullah alahi" can be literally used for both Alive and the dead..."

Not only have the Salafies embraced this newly introduced custom (contrary to their belief that every new thing is a Dhalalah), they have made another innovation by introducing another Law in the Sharia of Islam.

Saudi Tafseer e Quran:
In the commentary of same verse, this Saudi paid Alim further continues to write:

"...According to the Ulama, except for the linguistic meaning, it is prohibited to use this (i.e. Phrase like Radhi Allaho Anho) for anyone except for Sahaba Karam..."

Anyway I would ad Ra infuture if that pleases, but i rather please allah swt.
I will get back to das reich tomorow inshallah

[reon]

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Thanks brother, i appreciate .

Saudi Tafseer e Quran: Saudi Government distributed millions of Qur'an in Pakistan with Urdu Translation and Tafseer (printed by Shah Fahad printing Complex in Madina). In the commentary of the last verse of Surah Al-Mujaddla:

*"... it is a custom (i.e. not from Qur'an or Sunnah) to use "Radhi Allah Anham" for Sahaba and "Alaihim Salat o Salam" for the Prophets. It is the same like "Rehmat ullah alahi" can be literally used for both Alive and the dead..." *

Not only have the Salafies embraced this newly introduced custom (contrary to their belief that every new thing is a Dhalalah), they have made another innovation by introducing another Law in the Sharia of Islam.

Saudi Tafseer e Quran: In the commentary of same verse, this Saudi paid Alim further continues to write:

"...According to the Ulama, except for the linguistic meaning, it is prohibited to use this (i.e. Phrase like Radhi Allaho Anho) for anyone except for Sahaba Karam..."

Anyway I would ad Ra infuture if that pleases, but i rather please allah swt. I will get back to das reich tomorow inshallah

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Brother, i want to share my views in the light of the Holy Quran. Allah Says in Quran in Surah Taoba (9:100) that:

Translation
And the first to embrace Islâm of the Muhâjirûn (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madinah) and the Ansâr (the citizens of Al-Madinah who helped and gave aid to the Muhâjirûn) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allâh is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.

So I think if we say "Radhi Allaho Anho" for Sahaba is not wrong as it matches with the teachings of Holy Quran.

I cannot post Images as this feature is disabled on my account otherwise i would have posted here arabic version of Aayah as well.

Wallah Aalam.

[Sara516]

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isnt mary poppins Lusi? just want to know before I say anything in her threads.

No way. I doubt it.

[mary_poppins]

Re: Shia - Sunni Unity , One god , One religion , One ummah!

who is lusi?

[muspus]

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Mary Poppins: i couldn't have put it better myself! I SO agree with you. x

[Lusi]

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isnt mary poppins Lusi? just want to know before I say anything in her threads.

So is your response going to change is she was me? Please post both responses. I am now quite inquisitive what your response will be if marry popins was me. lol...

[psyah]

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Thanks brother, i appreciate .

It is a common custom among Muslims to recite "Radhi Allaho Ta-allah Anho" after the names of Righteous Companions of Rasool Allah [saww].

Rasool Allah [saww] never ordered that the later generations of Muslims to say "Radhi Allaho Anho" whenever the names of Sahaba were mentioned. Neither did the Sahaba used the term "Radhi Allaho Anho" after the names of each other nor did the Taba'een used to do this after the names of Sahaba. This was not the case with Daroof (Salwaath), in which they would always showers blessing and peace upon Rasool Allah [saww] and his progeny whenever the name of Rasool Allah [saww] was mentioned.

It was later Muslim generations, who introduced this custom for the first time, they did so according to their own OPINION, which is why they felt that it did not constitute a violation to any "Established Law of Islam" and found it in complete harmony with it's principles (even if it didn't exist in the time of Rasool Allah [saww]).

And the Reward for this Muslim Generation, in the words of Rasool Allah [saww]:

"He who introduced some good practice in Islam which was followed after him (by people) he would be assured of reward like one who followed it, without their rewards being diminished in any respect." Sahih Muslim, Book 034, Number 6466

If Salafies still believe that their definition is correct, then they must declare whole of the Muslim Ummah to be "Mubt'adi"(Innovator), indulged in "Dhalalah"(Misguided), who are the fuel of Hell fire, because the whole Ummah says "Radhi Allaho Anho" after the names of Sahaba (including Salafies themselves too).

But here Salafies come up with their Double Standards. Instead of condemning this act (as they should do according to their self-invented definition of bidah), they deem it to be a highly virtuous act.

Saudi Tafseer e Quran: Saudi Government distributed millions of Qur'an in Pakistan with Urdu Translation and Tafseer (printed by Shah Fahad printing Complex in Madina). In the commentary of the last verse of Surah Al-Mujaddla:

"... it is a custom (i.e. not from Qur'an or Sunnah) to use "Radhi Allah Anham" for Sahaba and "Alaihim Salat o Salam" for the Prophets. It is the same like "Rehmat ullah alahi" can be literally used for both Alive and the dead..."

Not only have the Salafies embraced this newly introduced custom (contrary to their belief that every new thing is a Dhalalah), they have made another innovation by introducing another Law in the Sharia of Islam.

Saudi Tafseer e Quran: In the commentary of same verse, this Saudi paid Alim further continues to write:

"...According to the Ulama, except for the linguistic meaning, it is prohibited to use this (i.e. Phrase like Radhi Allaho Anho) for anyone except for Sahaba Karam..."

Anyway I would ad Ra infuture if that pleases, but i rather please allah swt. I will get back to das reich tomorow inshallah

Peace mary_poppins

Jazakillahu khairun for the thread ... but I was wondering after you opened the nice thread it didn't take long before difference was being focussed on again rather than the similarities. By the way I agree with your comments above, however, I feel it is not as simple as something not being present in or outside hadith. There is also a sense of extended courtesy that follows from precepts within the Sunnah and became tradition. Again, I agree that there are some people without naming any group who claim others do such and such and it is prevalent amongst themselves also.

[Ali_R]

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First of all , we have to define who is Muslim. Then decide being Muslim is enough to be loved by other Muslims. If yes then we can live in peace and harmony. There can be divisions based on concept of Imamat vs Khilafat. Mutta being allowed or discontinued. Holy Prophet is Hazir wa Nazir or not. etc etc etc But these divisions will not be the basis of hating each other and go after each other's throat. No ?

We human define/decide who is Muslim, who is not (refering to the many sects in Islam)?? Interesting Mirch.

[Zainiest]

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Thanks brother, i appreciate .

It is a common custom among Muslims to recite "Radhi Allaho Ta-allah Anho" after the names of Righteous Companions of Rasool Allah [saww].

Rasool Allah [saww] never ordered that the later generations of Muslims to say "Radhi Allaho Anho" whenever the names of Sahaba were mentioned. Neither did the Sahaba used the term "Radhi Allaho Anho" after the names of each other nor did the Taba'een used to do this after the names of Sahaba. This was not the case with Daroof (Salwaath), in which they would always showers blessing and peace upon Rasool Allah [saww] and his progeny whenever the name of Rasool Allah [saww] was mentioned.

It was later Muslim generations, who introduced this custom for the first time, they did so according to their own OPINION, which is why they felt that it did not constitute a violation to any "Established Law of Islam" and found it in complete harmony with it's principles (even if it didn't exist in the time of Rasool Allah [saww]).

And the Reward for this Muslim Generation, in the words of Rasool Allah [saww]:

"He who introduced some good practice in Islam which was followed after him (by people) he would be assured of reward like one who followed it, without their rewards being diminished in any respect." Sahih Muslim, Book 034, Number 6466

If Salafies still believe that their definition is correct, then they must declare whole of the Muslim Ummah to be "Mubt'adi"(Innovator), indulged in "Dhalalah"(Misguided), who are the fuel of Hell fire, because the whole Ummah says "Radhi Allaho Anho" after the names of Sahaba (including Salafies themselves too).

But here Salafies come up with their Double Standards. Instead of condemning this act (as they should do according to their self-invented definition of bidah), they deem it to be a highly virtuous act.

Saudi Tafseer e Quran: Saudi Government distributed millions of Qur'an in Pakistan with Urdu Translation and Tafseer (printed by Shah Fahad printing Complex in Madina). In the commentary of the last verse of Surah Al-Mujaddla:

"... it is a custom (i.e. not from Qur'an or Sunnah) to use "Radhi Allah Anham" for Sahaba and "Alaihim Salat o Salam" for the Prophets. It is the same like "Rehmat ullah alahi" can be literally used for both Alive and the dead..."

Not only have the Salafies embraced this newly introduced custom (contrary to their belief that every new thing is a Dhalalah), they have made another innovation by introducing another Law in the Sharia of Islam.

Saudi Tafseer e Quran: In the commentary of same verse, this Saudi paid Alim further continues to write:

"...According to the Ulama, except for the linguistic meaning, it is prohibited to use this (i.e. Phrase like Radhi Allaho Anho) for anyone except for Sahaba Karam..."

Anyway I would ad Ra infuture if that pleases, but i rather please allah swt. I will get back to das reich tomorow inshallah

Thank you mary_poppins for the this long explaination - but the essence of your first post was to create peace and harmony between the sects and that can be only achieved by showing complete respect to the 'personalities' of each sect.

Aagay aap ki merzie

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Anyway I would ad Ra infuture if that pleases, but i rather please allah swt.
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You should know that Allah swt ** is pleased** with Umar bi Khattab (ra)

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Brother, i want to share my views in the light of the Holy Quran. Allah Says in Quran in Surah Taoba (9:100) that:

Translation And the first to embrace Islâm of the Muhâjirûn (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madinah) and the Ansâr (the citizens of Al-Madinah who helped and gave aid to the Muhâjirûn) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allâh is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.

So I think if we say "Radhi Allaho Anho" for Sahaba is not wrong as it matches with the teachings of Holy Quran.

[AllahkaBanda]

Re: Shia - Sunni Unity , One god , One religion , One ummah!

First of all , we have to define who is Muslim. Then decide being Muslim is enough to be loved by other Muslims. If yes then we can live in peace and harmony. There can be divisions based on concept of Imamat vs Khilafat. Mutta being allowed or discontinued. Holy Prophet is Hazir wa Nazir or not. etc etc etc But these divisions will not be the basis of hating each other and go after each other's throat. No ?

very well said

@mary_poppins
so you are calling for unity yet you are bashing without any knowledge about bidah. In your eyes the first three khulfa (RA) are not deserving of respect and not credible, yet you people believe in the Qur'an.

Jazak Allah khair reon for posting the verse

[Moonshiner]

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What do the three khulafah have to do with believing in the Quran? Not a damn thing.

Coming back to the topic, my father is a strict Shi'a, with a Sunni mother, while my mother is a very devoted Sunni, with a Shi'a father. Unity is possible.