Re: Shariah should be imposed in Pakistan [split: Wake up Pakistan. Tarbela is Next]
DAMN UNCLE!
Re: Shariah should be imposed in Pakistan [split: Wake up Pakistan. Tarbela is Next]
There are some stupids around here and there who just propagate about Islam/ uncle ur right i agree with ur thoughts. and if these idiots had decided to continue their full propaganda campaign everywhere then we also decided to crush such campaigns and traitors and enemies of Islam and Pakistan.
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Well why dont you open up Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim or any book of Fiqh and just turn to the Chapter of Jihad...and just see what it talks about.
I am not against jihad but militancy and spread of Islam by the gun
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BUNER, Pakistan (Reuters) – A Pakistani Taliban commander ordered his men to withdraw from Buner district on Friday, amid growing alarm in the United States over the Taliban creeping nearer to the capital of the nuclear-armed Muslim state.
There is going to be a lot of testing the grounds on both sides for a while.
Well why dont you open up Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim or any book of Fiqh and just turn to the Chapter of Jihad...and just see what it talks about.
And while you're at it, why don't you go to the Book God has given you, the Quran, which trumps any Bukhari or Muslim hadith any day, and see what it says about Jihad, and see what the context of the history reveals to you.
And while you're at it, why don't you go to the Book God has given you, the Quran, which trumps any Bukhari or Muslim hadith any day, and see what it says about Jihad, and see what the context of the history reveals to you.
offtopic, but lets not become Quranists. we are told to adhere to both Quran and the Sunnah. Hadith are records of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w' sunnah
we must balance the two, and adhere to both. because both compliment each other.
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Lets not become "Quranists"?
You might want to rethink that statement.
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you know what i meant....
islam comprises of both the Quran and the Sunnah.
I agree. But Uncle Sam is very much involved in jehadi affair since 1980's, when dictator of the time worked 100% on jehadi agenda sowing the seeds of Alquaida and Taliban. Uncle Sam and the so called Amiul-mominin joined hand to hand to fight with Russians. It was Amirul-mominin and Uncle Sam who financed $ 5 Billions to create jihadis.(Osama was recruiter of international jehadis).
Amirul-mominin did not realize at that time what kind of hell he was creating for the country. Though Russians and Amirul-mominin are long gone but the seeds sowed at that time now have become full crop to reap.
What you are talking about Shariah is not practicable in Islamabad, Lahore or Karachi. It was tried during 80's and failed miserably. Majority of people are not prepared for it. You just can not force Shariah on people. Islam is a religion of tolerance and peace. Let the people of Pakistan decide what type of government they want. You just can not force on people. If you do, again as I said earlier, results will be very tragic for Pakistan.
By the way when Pakistan was founded by Quaid in 1947, he viewd it as a secular setup not based on Shariah.
By the way when Pakistan was founded by Quaid in 1947, he viewd it as a secular setup not based on Shariah.
Which is why every mullah calls jinnah kafir behind closed doors.
That's between me and Allah, you, taliban or the state are not involved in my personal faith.
Shariah, being a body of law, is hardly a matter of personal choice.
Shariah, being a body of law, is hardly a matter of personal choice.
But it's variation, interpretation, implementation is 100% open to debate, question and personal faith choices.
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^ but it shouldnt be neglected merely because its open to debate. all constitutes are and heaven knows how many changes pakistani constitute has witnessed so far making fun of 72 branches is weird since non moulvi public has been treating constituion in much worse manner.
then do we become hinduist and christianists. ehh?
But it's variation, interpretation, implementation is 100% open to debate, question and personal faith choices.
So is cannon law. What is important is a legal framework to deal with and absorb the variation in interpretation and implementation. And it is not 100% open to debate and question, nor is any other body of law.
Personal faith is a legalistic concept in itself, couched in terms and rhetoric of individual liberty. To suggest a religion is purely personal is itself a worrisome statement, worthy of challenge and equally worthy of militating against with as much vigor as secular states are willing to defend and protect their ideologies and institutions.
Fortunately, Pakistan is an Islamic republic, and so any quarrel with that status is moot...to demand any change in it's status as an Islamic republic is as dangerous and contemptuous as any challenge to notions of liberty and freedom are to Western states.
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People who cannot reconcile the concept of Shariah, or even Islam in politics, have no business calling themselves Pakistani...no more than a person who rejects the legitimacy of Western legal and ideological traditions while claiming citizenship in a Western nation.
Even as a "non-believer" in the entire suite of Western values, I could never deny the validity and importance of said traditions to my host society...why on earth do we deny ourselves the same right? It seems like a massive inferiority complex, if anything...
In the West, there is talk ranging from limiting Muslim immigration to possible deportations....Muslim integration is deemed a problem as we don't assimilate readily and totally....and here we have so-called Muslims refusing to assimilate into their own native culture...ironically, these same Uncle Tom's are the ones who bemoan Muslims in the West who do the same...
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^ perfectly stated :k:
So is cannon law. What is important is a legal framework to deal with and absorb the variation in interpretation and implementation. And it is not 100% open to debate and question, nor is any other body of law.
Personal faith is a legalistic concept in itself, couched in terms and rhetoric of individual liberty. To suggest a religion is purely personal is itself a worrisome statement, worthy of challenge and equally worthy of militating against with as much vigor as secular states are willing to defend and protect their ideologies and institutions.
Fortunately, Pakistan is an Islamic republic, and so any quarrel with that status is moot...to demand any change in it's status as an Islamic republic is as dangerous and contemptuous as any challenge to notions of liberty and freedom are to Western states.
The legal framework already exists under the Islamic Repubic of Pakistan, the Federal Shariat Court, The Council of Islamic Ideology. Islam is part of the state and I accept it, though disagree with it since the founder of Pakistan disagreed with it. And once any law infringes on individual rights (no compulsion in religion etc.), it becomes 100% open to debate.
Bottom line is that any militant and violent re-interpretation of shariah and pakistani law is tantamount to rebellion against the state and must be punishable by death.
People who cannot reconcile the concept of Shariah, or even Islam in politics, have no business calling themselves Pakistani...no more than a person who rejects the legitimacy of Western legal and ideological traditions while claiming citizenship in a Western nation.
Even as a "non-believer" in the entire suite of Western values, I could never deny the validity and importance of said traditions to my host society...why on earth do we deny ourselves the same right? It seems like a massive inferiority complex, if anything...
In the West, there is talk ranging from limiting Muslim immigration to possible deportations....Muslim integration is deemed a problem as we don't assimilate readily and totally....and here we have so-called Muslims refusing to assimilate into their own native culture...ironically, these same Uncle Tom's are the ones who bemoan Muslims in the West who do the same...
You are not a non-believer or a believer in the Western secular concept of state. That's what allows you to appreciate the host country's validity and importance of secular humanist tradition. Had your host country practiced draconian religious (or secular) laws against your belief, you would not be showing them the same respect.
Let's say you had to pay the Western equivalent of jizia - more tax then a Christian because of your religion - your respect of their laws would change very quickly.
The discussion goes down to lowest ebbs when we start passing judgment on others. If we mean democracy then people's will must be respected. There are scores of Islamic countries who are doing fine without sharia. We feel the need of sharia because we are frightened of talibans, we want to make peace by bowing to any type of demand by them. As far as people's progress along the line of others in the world is concerned, where do we need harsh rules which forbid 50% (women) of our population to breathe easily. We are bent upon giving them the category of sheeps and goats. Do century old rules which were relevant for those tribal societies still hold good for modern pakistani society. We may find emotionally attached to sharia and will feel as if our religious duty to support it but if we don't want to remain backward to other countries and want our new generations flourish, we should shun all attempts to implement sharia.