Shariah should be imposed in Pakistan [split: Wake up Pakistan. Tarbela is Next]

Who are "we"? You're from India & be happy with your secular democracy. This is an internal matter for Pakistan & Pakistanis. Rest assured we're capable of tackling it & outside interference is not needed nor necessary.

Since all are so fond of the “Islam” we already have in Pakistan - The Islamic Republic, let us enlighten ourselves of how Islamic we are… at least the majority…

Most weddings may not have alcohol and brides do not dance on the stage but yes the free mixing and movie making by a retarded man who comes into the women’s section, the Najoomi and horoscopes and shirk going on is quite evident and widely practiced.

Mr. Kehkashan, you are very much mistaken… Do you even know what Jizya is? or some Islam hater told you about it.

Just as Muslims pay Zakat and state is supposed to collect it, non-Muslims, who do not pay zakah pay Jizya… and its for not having a nice party in the President house, its for the welfare of the people.

SO yes, each and every part of shariah is HUMANE. The point is to establish a welfare state..

This may clear your misconception.

Verse 9:29 and Jizya tax

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khekashan so far i have concluded two things about you, do let me know if i am wrong
1) shariah as per you is brutal, the real original shariah
2)you regret the creation of pakistan.
these two lead me to ask the question you still call yourself pakistani and believe your input is valuable ?

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^^ He is MQM, and he does represent their ideology, which is They consider Pakistan a Mistake...

1) Define the real original shariah for me first. All mullahs are unable to do so. I only know sharia from actions of today's sharia proponents - the taliban

2) Jinnah's Pakistan was finally murdered in 1971, the Pakistan today is a new being and in name only.

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Uncle

did you ever consider:

''There is no complusion in relgion" Ayah of koran.

Did u ever consider;

That SHARIAH Law was not even imposed at once by the Prophet (pbuh)

The koran say because all rules/laws at once would be to mcuh for those people.

Religion is never aplicable by force. Islam is not narorw-minded relgion to burden people.

Its laws are for the benfit and well-being of people.

and did you ever consider the hadith:

''you should obey the law of the country your in''

Did the Prophet (pbuh) ever say go to any land, and start bombing the freakin hell out of it if they dont accept sharia law?

Its a good idea to have sharia law, but it should be done through a law-ful sensible way as somone in the start of your thread said.

It would be good if there wa sharia, but why dont you opne your narorw-mind a bit, and think of any potential and high-scale negative affcects it could have if imposed just at once with out proper planning or though?

I dont why whabies dont think out of the box somtimes for a change.

Every time and place has its own sitution and may not be suitable to be treated in the exact same way 1400 year ago.

And i would liek to know one thing why wahabies r so adament must keeping minimum 3 foot huge beards.

If it were the Nabi-Paks sunnath. FINE.

But im sure you r familiar with the authetic knwoeldge:

''H.Umer after doing hajj/umra trimmed his beard toa fist length.''

If so this indicates that people can keep smaller beards than you guys do.

Why so extremism? If so so extreme go and live in Saudia arabia next ddor to holy haram.

No offence

For all advocates of Taliban Sharia, is this the Sharia you want to see in Pakistan? Is this the punishment that Islam advocates for listening to music?

Taliban shave men for listening to music in Buner: DAWN.COM | NWFP | Taliban shave men for listening to music in Buner

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J.Pakistan

2 be sensibele

Th thread starter is talng about Islamic/Koranic Sharia not Talibanic Sharia.,

Koranic Sharia should be respected.

The sharia talibna ar doing by shaving sombody due to music is nothing to do with real Sharia.

All i said that eveytime/palce has it own situation and its up to the goverment to decide if its apprpriate how to adopt or not to adopt Real Sharia to Pakistan Law.

And all muslim bros, here pls stop undermining Sharia law.

Yes it is harsh, but you need more relgious knweldge to appreciate the befits and reaosn of being so harsh.

When yoy adreea and appreciate these you will see that ona genral sacale it is better for a country.

The harsh laws, frighten and deter criminals mcuh more than western laws. Th result being overll mcuh larger decrease in crime, and therfore benefit to society.

If need any real-lif eexamples.

Compare the impresivly small crime rates of saudia arabia (sharia law) to a western country

im outt

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so those who are all in favour of the real shariah, why dont you rise up and have aunited front against the twisted and perverted caricature of shariah that the taelban and their supporters find attractive instead of being their apologists.

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I am certainly not apolozging for talibanic sharia.

Nor im an advocate for real sharia to be adopted. I dnt know whther if its obligatory for muslim countries to adopt this.If it is then, we can never argue agsit Gods word but I can say:

I dnt have the knowledge nor insight how the govermnet works and how it should be implemented if it is to be.

But one living example and success of sharia law is S.Arabia

S.A is a large country, large population but has one of the smallest crime rates in the world.

and They dont have special police, prisons, army, politicians.

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Has hell frozen over? Or is another part of the game from right wing?

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Sufi Muhammad violating Quran, says Imran Khan

Staff Report

LAHORE: The Swat cleric and head of banned Tehreek-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammad (TNSM) Sufi Muhammad is not just violating the peace agreement, rather he is violating the holy Quran, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan said.

He said this while addressing a function of the PTI’s 13th foundation day on Sunday. Imran said Sufi Muhammad by violating the agreement with the government was violating the holy Quran and if he went on with such practices, the PTI would not support him.

1) No you educate me as to what real shariah is. Saying we donot see the complete and fair implementation of it and so it must be unattainable is like saying we never see the true democracy so democracy is a crazy idea to begin with. You get a a free rein on selecting what is shariah with justifying it, is it applicable?

2)countries evolve, basic human history will show you that. Jinnah is dead , pakistan isnt and shouldnt be. deal with it. and if you donot like it then why be so concerned about it?

because we donot know the complete truth of taliban, things that we donot agree with are often brought up and discussed in detail. but i do like the concept of implementing shariah, so sue me!

1) I am not the one doing jihad for shariah, so how can I educated you on it? The proponents of shariah and it's further double implementation in pakistan should tell us what exactly they want. Democracy works pretty well in countries without feudal and religious nutcases.

2) Losing half of your country is not evolving, and the rest that is left is important for my city and people. History notwithstanding, I don't want Sindhudesh or Talibanistan I want Jinnah's Pakistan for which my parents migrated. They certainly did not migrate for any mullah.

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1) no you are definitely not doing the jihad but you are certainly opposing the concept of an islamic state? i ask you which version of islam is acceptable to you, if any at all? democracy is a way of selecting representative, i am talking about the constitute that your democracy guards. We have had a sham democracy along with a pretty strong hold of feudal system so i am keen to find out what is your proposed route for this coutnry from the two you see right now.

2)we didnot lose half of the country as a result of religious modifications. All very well what you say but Talibans pakistan and zardari's pakistan or for that matter musharraf's pakistan are very far away from Jinnah's pakistan. I am keen to know why did your parents migrate? better jobs and a good future along with a secular country? if so they sure missed the main agenda behind creating this country.

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:omg: Muslim asking other muslim in a forum what ‘real’ sharia is

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^ i guess i would see the humour but it is something that is getting obscure. i read too much about what isnt shariah here and rarely any what shariah is thread.

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^ If anyone really wants to know "sharia" the first thing to look for would be Quran... but then people regard punishments in Quran as brutal, inhumane and what not. Also, there is a separate "Religion" forum here where they can pose specific questions and people who have knowledge or access to knowledge can help out instead of asking/telling in "Politics" forum :)

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Holy Qurran says

http://www.jang.net/jm/4-27-2009/images/01_08.gif

Iqbal says Din e Mulla fi sabeelallah fasad