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^ the question he asked Merc2k was not proof of gang-rape in Saudi Arabia, rather what would've Saladin done in case of gang-rape.
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Why are we wasting our time on trivial crap?
This is what was written:
In Mighty Saudi Arabia, a woman was gang raped and then she was sentenced to lashes, this would never happen in Saladin’s time"How do you know? Were you there?"
I can see how he meant what happened in Saladin’s time, but he could have been referring to the gang rape for all I know - many muslims are in disbelief over these things anyway.
Good to know most of you don’t deny that gang raping is happening and proper punishments aren’t given out in even the most “holiest” of places.
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In Mighty Saudi Arabia, a woman was gang raped and then she was sentenced to lashes, this would never happen in Saladin's time
"How do you know? Were you there?"
I was referring to Saladin's time and whether merc was there. I know quite well what the Taliban have done.
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many muslims are in disbelief over these things anyway.
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and who told you I was a Muslim in the first place? Or is this one of your many assumptions?
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Oh, you're not? Then quit acting like an extreme one.
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Oh, you're not? Then quit acting like an extreme one.
And what did I say which you would consider "extreme"?
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I am surprised one country will have two sets of laws for different parts. In India, we still regret the special law that was agreed upon for Kashmir which has been exploited by the separatists to the hilt.
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^ Does India not have a special provisions for Muslims? There is some special name for it, right?
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^ oh we have something special for every minority community I am sure.
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^ oh we have something special for every minority community I am sure.
I think that is a good thing. Though the apex court and laws must be still the same for all citizens, right.
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I think the real Sharia will be a very good thing for Pakistan and its citizens and a very bad thing for those that wanna instill terror and cause chaos.
Because the attackers/thieves/murderes, and so on...will be dealt the worst and Just measure under Sharia. Whereas, the common man will be able to feel safe at last. There won't be any Sifarish culture left because all will be dealt equally across the plain. (I want to make it clear, it should not be left for Interpretation, rather adopted as it is from the Quran)
We've got to understand what Sharia is in its true form. Not the hideous and scary form its often presented. The reason you see women being barred from getting education, or teaching or working or even driving is because of Jahalat. Under Sharia women will play a more equal part in the society than they're allowed to now.
If Sharia is to be adopted, then it should be the true form, not the loony form the extremists wish for, to justify their domestic actions.
There is a great detail of rights for Women and Men alike in the Quran, under Sharia you will see those rights finally being put into action.
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Ironically, I pray to god that sunni shariat law never is in effect in Pakistan. Shariat law is best enforced in saudia arabia and iran, no country can implement it better then that. Look how pitiful those societies are. Its simply not possible to be "a perfect" shariat society. Shariat law will let illiterate politicians and moronic mullahs to openly prosecute christians and hindus, and readily persecute shias and ahmedis.
I pray to god every time i do tilawat quaran and in namaz that this idiotic law never be implemented in Pakistan.
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Ironically, I pray to god that sunni shariat law never is in effect in Pakistan. Shariat law is best enforced in saudia arabia and iran, no country can implement it better then that. Look how pitiful those societies are. Its simply not possible to be "a perfect" shariat society. Shariat law will let illiterate politicians and moronic mullahs to openly prosecute christians and hindus, and readily persecute shias and ahmedis.
I pray to god every time i do tilawat quaran and in namaz that this idiotic law never be implemented in Pakistan.
That's not Sharia....that's something else.
Quran doesn't dictate that.
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Shariat is not possible. We need to concentrate on education and basic necessities like health and economy. Once stability is achieved, then the THOUGHT of shariat can be even pondered. You are reaching too high and seeing things that are not there. Shariat is not possible. Certainly not in the next 100 years the way muslim world, ESPECIALLY the ahl sunnah are going.
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^True possibly..
But some may argue that The Muslim nations and ahl Sunnah are going that way because there's no Sharia in place. How will you argue that?
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I think the real Sharia will be a very good thing for Pakistan and its citizens and a very bad thing for those that wanna instill terror and cause chaos.
Because the attackers/thieves/murderes, and so on...will be dealt the worst and Just measure under Sharia. Whereas, the common man will be able to feel safe at last. There won't be any Sifarish culture left because all will be dealt equally across the plain. (I want to make it clear, it should not be left for Interpretation, rather adopted as it is from the Quran)
We've got to understand what Sharia is in its true form. Not the hideous and scary form its often presented. The reason you see women being barred from getting education, or teaching or working or even driving is because of Jahalat. Under Sharia women will play a more equal part in the society than they're allowed to now.
If Sharia is to be adopted, then it should be the true form, not the loony form the extremists wish for, to justify their domestic actions.
There is a great detail of rights for Women and Men alike in the Quran, under Sharia you will see those rights finally being put into action.
ya but if extremists interpret the Sharia Law they will twist it to suit their needs
such as attacking minorities and oppressing women and breeding terrorism
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^That is the fear... :(
There is a lack of front runners right now. The people that are qualified to make those decisions and implement are Scholars and not "certain people" because a great deal of Islamic education is needed to interpret or "transfer" the teachings into actions. Unfortunately, some of the prominent people in the field are of the mindset that they understand Islam the best and scholars don't know much. Just like the Judge is the best amongst the lawyers, hence promoted to making judgements; therefore, the best amongst Sharia judges would be those who have studied Islam. Not Just read it.....there's a huge difference.
An obstacle indeed at the moment.
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^That is the fear... :(
There is a lack of front runners right now. The people that are qualified to make those decisions and implement are Scholars and not mullahs because a great deal of Islamic education is needed to interpret or "transfer" the teachings into actions. Unfortunately, some of the prominent mullahs are of the mindset that they understand Islam the best and scholars don't know much. Just like the Judge is the best amongst the lawyers, hence promoted to making judgements; therefore, the best amongst Sharia judges would be those who have studied Islam. Not Just read it.....there's a huge difference.
An obstacle indeed at the moment.
Assalamalikum bro,
We should not throw around the word "Mullah" if it does not belong to a certain man of knowledge. Prophet pbuh was a Mullah, its a term that has been in recent times, twisted by people of our region to throw at anyone who has a beard and raises his pants above his ankles (both sunnahs of our beloved prophet saw).
Mullah is used for someone who is learned of our deen, not any avg joe, and its sad that people throw that around as if its nothing.
Mullah = Scholar = Ullema. If we must, we can call those other people "that group" or "those people".
Sorry bro, just thought Id point that out. These are not my words, but of the Ullema. I've learned it from them.
Many pakistanis abuse this word alot.
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^That is the fear... :(
There is a lack of front runners right now. The people that are qualified to make those decisions and implement are Scholars and not mullahs because a great deal of Islamic education is needed to interpret or "transfer" the teachings into actions. Unfortunately, some of the prominent mullahs are of the mindset that they understand Islam the best and scholars don't know much. Just like the Judge is the best amongst the lawyers, hence promoted to making judgements; therefore, the best amongst Sharia judges would be those who have studied Islam. Not Just read it.....there's a huge difference.
An obstacle indeed at the moment.
and yes if these scholars confront the tribals and others on their wrong interpretation of Islam, they will get blown up or be called an apostate or a kaffir or whatever
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and yes if these scholars confront the tribals and others on their wrong interpretation of Islam, they will get blown up or be called an apostate or a kaffir or whatever
Well, the state of people in FATA is miserable not because of ignorant Mullahs, but because of these so-called scholars, who changed the religion Islam from religion of Allah into religion of Shaitan.
We should remember the hadith associated with Prophet (SAW) that what people of past religion has done, Muslims would do that same, and Islam would not be any different.
Now think who changed past religions? Well, it was not people but their so-called scholars.
First step they do is convert their outer looks as if they are very religious (what one feel when they see them from outside)
Second step these retards do is occupy religion by spreading misinformation that religion is not simple message of Allah but a message that needs interpretation (that means, message of Allah is not what it is but what it is interpreted).
Third misinformation they spread is that religion is their laundi (Slave) and it is only they who can interpret it, and when people start believing them, they take over the religion. Well, because of their interpretations, they also divide the masses into different sects.
Fourth thing they do is that from their interpretation, they start exploiting the masses, and make many amongst the masses zombies (who would follow these so-called scholars blindly to hell).
Unfortunately, as this is going on since long time and only retards and mentally deficient amongst population are usually put into religious education and pushed into making religion their career, even those that lead (become so-called scholars), they follow what they are taught blindly. And being mentally deficient to start with, they communicate further what they are taught, hence they themselves do not know what Satanism they spread in the name of religion, .
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and yes if these scholars confront the tribals and others on their wrong interpretation of Islam, they will get blown up or be called an apostate or a kaffir or whatever
Well, the state of people in FATA is miserable not because of ignorant Mullahs, but because of these so-called scholars, who changed the religion Islam from religion of Allah into religion of Shaitan.
We should remember the hadith associated with Prophet (SAW) that what people of past religion has done, Muslims would do that same, and Islam would not be any different.
Now think who changed past religions? Well, it was not people but their so-called scholars.
First step they do is convert their outer looks as if they are very religious (what one feel when they see them from outside)
Second step these retards do is occupy religion by spreading misinformation that religion is not simple message of Allah but a message that needs interpretation (that means, message of Allah is not what it is but what it is interpreted).
Third misinformation they spread is that religion is their laundi (Slave) and it is only they who can interpret it, and when people start believing them, they take over the religion. Well, because of their interpretations, they also divide the masses into different sects.
Fourth thing they do is that from their interpretation, they start exploiting the masses, and make many amongst the masses zombies (who would follow these so-called scholars blindly to hell).
Unfortunately, as this is going on since long time and only retards and mentally deficient amongst population are usually put into religious education and pushed into making religion their career, even those that lead (become so-called scholars), they follow what they are taught blindly. And being mentally deficient to start with, they communicate further what they are taught, hence they themselves do not know what Satanism they spread in the name of religion, and how they are leading many in the name of Islam, to hell.