In the tribal belt/north-west pakistan/afghanistan shariah law means banning westerneducation andignoring the world, forcingwomen to cover, forcing peopel to keep beards, persecuting minorities - a general life of ignorance and jahalat. These people are in some ways reacting to a western life style glamourised to them from the media and the fact that they are struggling to keep up with the times. There are educated people amongst these and they probably are higher up.
There are a lot of supporters for sharia law in pakistan even within punjab, karachi and settled areas of nwfp yet they do not want this type that is espoused by the taliban.
They believe eduication is a must and will take them forward, they are ok with new developments and tehcnologies, they are ok with taking ther wives on holiday to places such as murree and walking beside them equally and not 5 steps ahead, the dont mind if their sons become lawyers or daughters become doctors and teachers, they dont impose islam but rather guide their family to follow it. They generally come from urban and educated backgrounds.
I think everyone agrees that a "Shariat" law imposed Taleban style is not healthy for the NWFP.
And many people here are saying that they'd like "true" Shariat law, and the way they describe it - its not in existence anywhere in the world. Although Iran comes closest to it, but still have long ways to go.
Shariat law in Saudi is in no way real Islamic law. Its highly influenced by their culture.
So, bottom line - in every society recently that has tried to apply Shariat law, culture gets tied up into it.
Regardless of whether you WANT shariah law or not, do you honestly think Shariat law in NWFP would be free of cultural influences from the area?
I think that is a good thing. Though the apex court and laws must be still the same for all citizens, right.
That's true. I think even the state level high court is the same...in fact the court system is one. They just apply the variations by religion depending upon who the parties to the suit are.
But in India the problem is the political government itself. They just pander pander and pander with reservations and freebies to get the minority votes and muslims being the largest minority, they get binused like anything.
its basic pandering, something which the GoP is an expert at, they are planning on releasing Sufi Muhammed as well, classic Musharrafisms, when under pressure concede ground, only take a stand (whether good or bad) when you have no choice.
That's true. I think even the state level high court is the same...in fact the court system is one. They just apply the variations by religion depending upon who the parties to the suit are.
But in India the problem is the political government itself. They just pander pander and pander with reservations and freebies to get the minority votes and muslims being the largest minority, they get binused like anything.
^ may be but that makes life really tough for us Hindus, particulalarly Brahmins. A minority community student can get into a in-demand college seat or job with less than 50% qualification as a Brahmin. I know Brahmin kids who score 98.5% and can't get into the engineering college they want whereas a minority (scheduled caste, muslims, obc etc) can get in with just 65% !!!
I guess that is the cost we have to pay for peace and harmony!
I think it should be on merit, everywhere. Given the equal opportunity to learn as much as any group, i think the end result will be the best from within all minorities will emerge as the cream of the crop. Creating a fair atmosphere.
Sorry…didn’t mean to divert the topic-at-hand there. Now back to the topic.
^ why can't people get what they want where they are? so if democracy is not an "option" considering Pakistan's situation should people asking for democracy should move out of Pakistan?
The Sharia Law that Taliban Nazis practice and their Fuhrer in Saudi Arabia is totally the opposite of the Sharia Law that Great Muslims such as Saladin practiced.
NWFP will become a state for global facist terrorists doing their jihad
And as such, either Pakistan take it back with its full force or abandon its claim on it
Pakistan only has 2 choices
***Naaah.............there is always the third choice.................
Because Pakistan was designed to be a secular state, not a shariat-dictated state. And its obviously been established that Pakistanis are unable to apply the real shariat, and therefore religion is left best at home.
Pakistanis have to choose which system they want. If they want shariah, there are already many countries executing shariat, and they can move there. Why aren't they deemed hot spots? Because living in those countries is suffocating. You can't pull out shariat out of your behind when your people don't understand Islam very well and then go around shoving your interpretation of it (note, INTERPRETATION) down others' throats. It has almost always resulted in loss of individual freedoms, and this is evident in places like Saudia Arabia. :-)
^ unfortunately we don't know/failed on implementation of 'non-religious' part of laws too so one could argue that people looking for 'secular' govt can move to where the secular govts are.
I have been saying that ever since I joined Gupshup
I have a read a lot of books on the Crusades and I know in great detail about Saladin before Kingdom of Heaven came out
Ok, name me another such great leader with his rule of shariah law.
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And did I use them examples to show how true Sharia law is suppose to be practiced?
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Where?
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A conservative touch is misleading. When Abdul Wahhab started preaching, Saudi Arabia was under Ottoman rule. Wahhab beleived that Ottomans were not representing the true form of Islam and thus Arabs must practice Islam as it was done during the 7th Century
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Well I would state It as conservative with his interpretation of Muslims Law. He had his own traditions under mainly both families (Sauds and Rashids)
were influenced a great deal.
With what many would not agree.
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And when have I said that USA or the West don't have double standards when it comes to these things
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You have been defending them on many other issues. So you exactly know what I mean.
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Even the Caliph was a democratically elected leader chosen by scholars
Democracy is true political representation of Sharia Law but that goes against the very essence of the Taliban and other extremists who have said that Democracy is un-Islamic
So it proves my point yet again
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Chalo yaar, tume khush kiya. It proves you right.:)
Because Pakistan was designed to be a secular state, not a shariat-dictatedstate. And its obviously been established that Pakistanis are unable to apply the real shariat, and therefore religion is left best at home.
Pakistanis have to choose which system they want. If they want shariah, there are already many countries executing shariat, and they can move there. Why aren't they deemed hot spots? Because living in those countries is suffocating. You can't pull out shariat out of your behind when your people don't understand Islam very well and then go around shoving your interpretation of it (note, INTERPRETATION) down others' throats. It has almost always resulted in loss of individual freedoms, and this is evident in places like Saudia Arabia. :-)
Wow! Hearing that from you...you against dictated intentions?! HOw come?
