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They blacks from Afriqa had been the property of your precious Americans in the past not very long ago, so you should include this fact to your history.
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Hello mr. debater i am agree with you. why we are not agreeing to islam? the holy Quran says sex with ghulaam girl is allowed. because the girl was no where to go so ofcourse man take care of hers and now she is to pay him back how to do that? now they say girls dont want to sex but it is true that sometimes the girls also wants to do sex but they are slave only so the man own them so they spend time only that man they want to sex with himm only! why you dont understand? why we explain to you all the time? in west you dont ask why girl has sex without getting marry! why you are asking about girls in islam who are ghulaam but they are also treat with shafqat and izzat!
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^ yep, this guy is such a multinicker. I’m sure we can figure out just about who it could be. 
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And if we compare this **slave girl - master relationship with marriage (nikah), we don't find any difference except that the Wife enjoys more rights than a slave girl does.**
Oh yeah, and that's like no big deal. Not a significant difference at all. Rights to a woman, oh who really cares anyway, right?
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One more comment:
If it was something that was allowed or encouraged, then the Prophet would have done it himself. He never had sex with a slavegirl outside of marriage. Even Maria the copt who was taken as a slave converted to Islam first, then married the Prophet (saw), then the Prophet (saw) had relations with her. If you know anything contrary to this, please cite your sources, because I thought that was common knowledge.
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Pyaricigudia. prophet also did so many things we normal musalmans are not allow to do like to have the 40 wifes! also he did to marry his daugter to cousin and then say not to marry in cousins?
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He had more than 4 wives. They were not 40 wives, though, so it shows that you dont know much Islamic history. It was like 7-9 wives, and I have different sources citing me different numbers in that range. However, the Quran gives an EXPLICIT verse that no one could confuse the translation of that says that he is permitted to have more than 4, and there is another verse that told him when to stop marrying! So there is no controversy over there. His marriages were political moves, and anyone who would say otherwise is just not willing to face the facts.
Also, there is nothing in Islam that prohibits one from marrying their cousins!
I think you’re really —> 
or you’re doing a bad job at multinicking.
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pyari..the prophet (saas) also allowed mutah marriages for a certain amount of time didn't he? He never practiced it himself but allowed it to be practiced. Ofcourse it was disallowed later and that's why we don't practice it anymore
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That's debateable, and there are many scholars that say Muta'a is just a fantasy. Even if it wasn't and you were to say that it was temporary, fine then it was TEMPORARY. Hence he didn't practice it because he didn't like the idea but felt was a necessary TEMPORARY allowance so that he could get rid of the problem of prostituteion more effectively.
How can you compare sexual slaves with that? Even if you were to draw a legit comparison, then I can easily say that this thread can be shut, because sexual slaves aren't permitted anymore, since it was only a temporary allowance just like muta'a.
And isn't there a clear Quranic verse that says follow the ways of the Prophet? And isn't sunnah all about doing things teh way the Prophet liked them done?
So now we throw the Sunnah out when it doesn't correspond with the male sexual drive, but keep it when it does?
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why all the womans in gupshup are angry always to me?
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pcg...so you agree that sex with slaves was allowed during the period in which slavery existed? so what are we arguing about.
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Did I say that? I didn't think so. Read it again. I was using the hypothetical scenario that IF sexual slavery WAS actually allowed, it was only a temporary thing.
Regardless of whether it was allowed or not, temporary or not, its pretty clear that its not something the Prophet liked. Would the Prophet dislike something so strongly that he would not practice it by an example, when that was his job as designated by God?
My personal belief and hunch is that it was never allowed, and that this is simply a myth and nothing more, and that its a twisting of the Quranic translation.
The real issue is: What does a "right hand" mean?
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^ so far i have only heard of one meaning of "right hand" which is "slaves", but if u have any other meaning for it, bring it forward....
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I always wondered about the need for the expression “right hand”…it’s use in the Quran seems to refer to captives…as in a kind of prisoner…there is already an Arabic word for slave, so why the need for this expression?
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Islam encourages freeing of slaves, moreover it is not necessary and obligatory in Islam to have sex with captured women of war (slave girls). I am not sure if purchased slave girls are also allowed for this relationship between the master and the slave girl. Often slave girls were married by their masters to other people. Moreover if a master married a slave girl, she enjoys all rights of a married lady, no more a slave girl.
You didn’t in fact realize the lack of wisdom in your query. If slave girls enjoyed all rights equal to wives, they would always remain slave girls, they might not want to marry their masters or others, their masters wouldn’t care at all if they should have married them or not, and today we would still be having slave girls in our houses, may be you would be a slave girl, may be I would be a slave boy, Allah knows the best, we know only little, Islam gives women all their rights.
Why don’t you realize that if today we don’t see any slaves, that is because of Islam which started the culture of freeing them.
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Brother, our Prophet sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam didn’t have 40 wives but he was indeed allowed by Allah to marry more than 4 wives. And Hadhrat 'Ali radhiyAllahu 'anhu was the cousin of the Prophet and you can marry your daughter to your cousin, this is nothing strange.
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In this day and age when slavery has been abolished because it is inhumane and barbaric, why is this discussion even necessary?
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I didn’t have pretty good knowledge over the subject of slave girls, so can’t throw anymore light but on this point you made a mistake; Sunnah means the practise of Rasoolullah sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam which we should follow. As you yourself clarified that he sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam kept more than 4 wives, but you know that this is not the Sunnah of our Prophet sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam. Then he sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam went on Me’raaj but this is not his sunnah for us, we can’t go to Me’raaj. Tahajjud prayers were, if I am not wrong, fardh (obligatory) for him (s.a.w), not for us.
And to your qestion that sex with slave girls was only a temporary arrangement, my answer is that you are wrong here; as Allah clearly says in His Book which is valid for you and me also, in 2005 till the last hour:
And those who guard their chastity, (70:29)
إِلَّا عَلَى أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ
Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed, (70:30)
فَمَنِ ابْتَغَى وَرَاء ذَلِكَ فَأُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْعَادُونَ
But those who trespass beyond this are transgressors;- (70:31)
If Allah is not saying that having sexual relations with slave girls is a temporary arrangement then how you can make better laws then Quran.
Well, suppose you are right, then we will see what happens next:
Suppose there is a war between Muslims and Christians in 2006 and as you know in American Army there are women fighters as well, even in Iraq attacks, Saddam Husain’s men did capture some of them and they were showed on TV as well. Now if in such a war/jihad, Muslims defeat Crusaders and capture their women, the status of such women would be the slave girls. The Ameer or Khalifah of Muslims would distribute them along with the booty of war amongst the mujahideen. Now please don’t tell me this is against women rights to capture a woman and make her a slave.
Well this is not true.
The woman made a rebellion to Allah and fought a war against His people. If a woman rebels against the government of United States, or if a woman cheats her husband and has a sexual relationship with another guy, she does receive a punishment from the law court in this civilized world, but if a woman rebels against Allah and fights or supports a fight against the Fighters of Allah and against Islam, why she can’t deserve for a punishment then.
She must be given the status of a slave girl or a captured woman, and she would be given in the custody of only one man or woman.
Please note that if the captured slave is under the custody of a woman which means her master is a woman, **then no other man can have sex with her **because no other man would be the master of her.
But we suppose that the captured American lady is given in the custody of an Afghani Pathan (Taliban). Off course this Mujahid has been given the rights from Allah to sleep with this American lady without marriage. Please note that no other man can sleep with her, though if a Muslim woman is captured by Kuffar (Allah forbid) they don’t follow any rules and mostly the woman is gang raped and tortured. Off course Islam stops ways of all such crimes, in other words Islam is the only protector of women rights.
If sleeping with the slave girl was not allowed then tell me what would happen to this American captured girl?
Who would support her and why, when she was of no use, if she can’t fulfil the sexual urge of any guy, why one would take responsibility to feed her and to provide her with shelter?
Moreover this American captured woman must be so civilized believing in free sex. Don’t you think this American captured lady would spoil so many people by inviting them to have an illegal sex with her?
Off course the treatment of a slave girl (captured one) as prescribed by Islam is just and based upon logic rather the best. If we can’t see anything good in this type of sexual relationship then this is the fault of our comprehension and level of intellect. We should improve our intellectuality in order to understand Quranic Laws. Though for every Muslim, Quran is to be blindly believed and accepted.
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Many human practices are barbaric and inhumane but they still exist today e.g Rape, sexual harrassment of women (Americans are whose champions), Adultery (American and Iran are whose champions, Iran with at least 300,000 prostitutes). In rural areas of Pakistan and even in towns and cities, women are murdered by her in laws, and lots of other cruel activities against women.
Prostitution is another thing which didn’t perish with time.
Well, if you can argue that American don’t keep slaves because they are civilized then why other nations like us (Pakis) keep slaves while we are less civilized.
The answer is so simple, it is Islam only which has brought the culture of slavery to an end by its encouraging manumitting (freeing) of slaves.
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Once again, Debater, you must present facts or at least honesty to score points in a debate.
The US is NOT the champions of sexual harrassment or adultery.
Islam did not end slavery, but rather made it permissable in the eyes of God. The only culture today where slavery still exists is in Musim societies.
Slavery should NOT exist anywhere, so why argue whehter or not you can have sex with them?