Only one Quranic verse always baffles me every time I read it.
QURAN – Al-Ahzab 23:5,6
** “…who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them…”**
There can’t be any other explanation or reasoning behind this since it is clearly mentioned that Muslim men were allowed to have sexual relations with their slave girls. Am I the only one who is really disturbed by this verse? What do you guys think about it? At one side there is a severe punishment for fornication and adultery but on the other side it is OK to have sex with slave girls. There is no mentioning of marrying slave girls before having sex with them. So it is quite clear that it sex is permissible with them outside marriage. Is it possible that this verse couldn’t be properly translated?
To understand this issue, you need to understand salvery first. You are the provider and caretaker for your slaves. It comes with a lot of responsibilities. Besides, it's not as simple as that. For example, if your slave concieves a child from you, you have to marry her.
Basically, there's provision for all parties.
i thought you werent allowed to have slaves? but i do think that is a little distubing. i dont think it is right because if you have sex with your slave girl she might feel obligated because you are her owner. so in a way it could count as rape.
When the war broke out in Yugoslavia, the Serbians set up rape camps…
One British MP reporting about a six year, described a girl whose vocal chords had been ripped due to oral rape…
With these ‘Sex’ (An enjoyable deed done rightouesly term overrrated beyond achieving in the west) slaves, as you like to call them, wouldn’t you at least have pleasure of knowing, that he can enjoy at least knowing who your child’s father is?..
In a Muslim society, if you are dead after your wife was pregnant by you, he is given your last name, letting the world know who the real father was…
Does any other system realize that?
Can any other system in the world guarantee that your wives and daughters as ‘Sex Slaves’ would have a guarantee of a roof over their heads and a full belly…
We took a non-Muslim as a mother for God’s sake…One of the Holy Prophet :saw:'s wife was a Jewess…What more do you ask for?
war is ugly. Talibans used to rape shia girls and boys, Pakistanu army raped bangali women…Never heard anybody justify that. Rape is not justified in any circusmstance, anywhere in the world, leaving Arab and African world aside, and stupid ppl like u
Well, in west, they have a secientific method of establshing parenthood, that is called DNA. Slave, girlfirend or wife, everyone has the right to demand proper share of income from the father. If he does not do that, courts might confiscate his properties.
Family names? That is the stupidity of traditional cultures. In civilized world, u r on ur own, nothing to do with ur father or mother. Nobody is bothered about ur family name.
OK, lets stick to the topic, and tell us that slavery is still justified in Islam, will you?
And one was a little girl. What does that have to do with having sex with slaves? Unless you comparing a Jew to a slave? Are Jews to be ever grateful or impressed because one of Muhammed’s wives was Jewish?
You guys are drifting away from my topic. The topic isn’t that whether slavery is allowed In Islam. Verizon already opened a thread about it. Neither I asked what happens once the slave girl is pregnant. But the issue is why sex with slaves is allowed in the first place when there are severe punishments for fornication and adultery in Islam . Also someone raised a really good point that slave girl might feel obligated to have sex because the guy is her master. So it is highly doubtful that the sex would be considered as consensual. If a guy is married, could he still have sex with slave girls? With or without consent don’t you think that would come in the category of adultery?
It’s hard for me to believe that fulfilling the sexual desires of slave girls is another ‘responsibility’ of master. Nice try hunk but sorry I can’t buy that.
I know slavery doesn’t exist anymore and this topic doesn’t affect today’s Muslims but still above mentioned verse is very alarming and contradicting. Besides it gives another excuse to non-Muslims to ridicule Islam. So far I haven’t seen any satisfying replies on this topic.
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It’s hard for me to believe that fulfilling the sexual desires of slave girls is another ‘responsibility’ of master. Nice try hunk but sorry I can’t buy that.
I know slavery doesn’t exist anymore and this topic doesn’t affect today’s Muslims but still above mentioned verse is very alarming and contradicting. Besides it gives another excuse to non-Muslims to ridicule Islam. So far I haven’t seen any satisfying replies on this topic.
Non-Muslims (chrisitians & Jews) cannot point fingers, please read the following:
Genesis 17:23, it’s clear that Abraham had slaves, as it talks about his household “all that were bought with his money”.
Exodus 21:4 ff describes conditions for slavery.
Leviticus 25:44-46 says that heathen may be purchased as slaves, that their children become slaves, and that they are inherited as property by the owner’s children forever.
Deut 20:10-14 says that when you conquer a city, if it surrenders then all people inside it become your slaves. But if it doesn’t surrender, then all males are to be killed and all women and children “take unto thyself”.
Luke 12:47-8 shows that Jesus approves of slavery, for he describes the conditions under which one should give a severe beating to a slave.
Genesis 9:18-27, about Noah and his son Ham, has been interpreted to mean that black people are supposed to be the slaves of white people.
Timothy1 6:1-2 tells slaves to honor their masters, particularly if the masters are believers.
Please refer to my initial post for further clarification.
Can you think of anyplace on earth that has not had slavery at one time? Why on earth would anyone point the finger at that one little line?
Even though this is not applicable today, in those days owned property was just that - owned property. You could use anything you owned in anyway, even sexually. At least attempts were made by different religions to regulate treatment of human property.
As society evolved these attempts became non-issues, just like this thread :)
Im afraid slaves do exist, there are a few small areas of Pakistan where you can find some and a few areas of africa, these have ben in the news recently because one of the more affluent slave owners let his go free.
there was reason for it but ive forgotten (i think it was either because he heard it was not Islamic (he was Muslim or he would get a grant or something from a world organistation...or both).....happened in march I think.
if anyones interested or wants me too look it up, I will.
Again I am NOT raising any issue of slavery but I am talking about permissibility of having sex with slave girls in Islam. Do you have any bible verse for that?
