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making life heaven or hell depends solely on us.

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I’m aware. I’m just grouping that hadith and your viewpoint into one bundle and addressing it. :slight_smile:

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Hm, thats not really the discussion. but anyways..let’s say someone was in hell, they could technically make that their heaven. is it up to your mind, regardless of whats around you?

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around me is heaven:D

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Everybody ran out of gas except Pinstripe Danda. We Muslims would always remain narrow minded when it comes to other religions, I have learnt that for sure. Thanks for all your replies anyways guys.

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:closed:

If you had made up your mind already along the lines that go against Islam and conform to the basis of religions other than Islam, then there was no point asking the question anyway :slight_smile:

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AQ, let him go man. He is lost, ....

Note: Please avoid blind accusations and personal attacks. Thanks

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I, for one, would not agree on this though we have an agreement in faith but for this personal view I will like to cite a hadeeth in which Rasoolulah:saw: said: People’s heart is between the two fingers of ALLAH:swt: He turns it when He wills."

We do not know when a person will become a much much better muslim than anyone. The guidance from ALLAH:swt: comes in when a person is honest in seeking the true guidance, and I or you do not know about what’s inside a heart of a person. Yes, on the contrary, currently, it seems confusing and it is sad to realize that all the pointers from Quran itself are being rejected.

May ALLAH:swt: guide all of us to the right path.

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*Rewarded in this world and then what? Burned in hell even if they were better than Muslims morally? And now you are on to personal insults just because you couldn’t present any argument whatsoever? You are indeed the 1/6th that Pinstripe talked about. No logic, zero questioning, strict obedience. Really. *

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game: it is said in Quran and thus a fundamental part of faith in Islam.

The whole point of sending Prophets and then asking people to obey them and recognize ALLAH as their LORD was to make people understand that

MORAL - Imaan = Good Deeds x ZERO.

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*And that’s fair, you think? *

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as fair as rejecting ALLAH and His prophets and His commands.. Yes it is fair for that matter.

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Kaleem and Anwar have taken a lot of time to give you such detailed explanations. Its obvious you choose not to acknowledge them. LOL, great to see matsui didnt run out of gas. Lagay raho.

But have a read confused buddy.

On the Day when those who disbelieved are exposed to the Fire: “You dissipated the good things you had in your worldly life and enjoyed yourself in it. So today you are being repaid with the punishment of humiliation for being arrogant in the Earth without any right and for being deviators.” (Surat al-Ahqaf: 20)

Their likeness is that of people who light a fire, and then when it has lit up all around them, Allah removes their light and leaves them in darkness, unable to see. (Surat al-Baqara: 17)

… You consider them united but their hearts are scattered wide. That is because they are people who do not use their intellect. (Surat al-Hashr: 14)

The life of this world is nothing but a game and a diversion. The Hereafter is better for those who guard against evil. So will you not use your intellect? (Surat al-An’am: 32)

To mankind the love of worldly appetites is painted in glowing colors: women and children, and heaped-up mounds of gold and silver, and horses with fine markings, and livestock and fertile farmland. All that is merely the enjoyment of the life of this world. The best homecoming is in the presence of Allah. (Surah Al 'Imran: 14)

Wealth and sons are the embellishment of the life of this world. But, in your Lord’s sight, right actions which are lasting bring a better reward and are a better basis for hope. (Surat al-Kahf: 46)

Every self will taste death. You will be paid your wages in full on the Day of Rising. Anyone who is distanced from the Fire and admitted to the Garden has triumphed. The life of this world is just the enjoyment of delusion. (Surah Al 'Imran: 185)

As for those who do not believe in the Hereafter, We have made their actions appear good to them and they wander about blindly. Such people will receive an evil punishment and will be the greatest losers in the Hereafter. (Surat an-Na

Leave them to eat and enjoy themselves. Let false hope divert them. They will soon know. (Surat al-Hijr: 3)

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Game, scripture thumping nins like MQ here have no answers, their logic is circular in nature because they try to give logical explanations of simple questions through documents which are based on interpretaions and faith, not universal truths. thus making their entire premise “either you are with us or against us”

Look man, do you think you are a muslim? WHo gives a crap what some peabrained git who wants to cast you outside islam thinks. Fk them… they are the same as those hindus, I mentioned, the same as the jews, the same as the christians who practice exclusionary interpretations of faith.

God’s entire being would be suspect if he tried to keep people apart instead of bringing them together, whether here or afterwards. I don’t think God is as callous, but everytime I read threads like these and peruse hellfire and brimstone rhetoric, it makes me think that their interpreation of God is one of a crying baby.

  1. IS mother teresa in hell?
  2. 99% of religious adherents are born into it.

So god creates good people like mother teresa and since she was born into another relgion, and didn;t become a “believer” (I assume it is believing in faulty logic), then she is in hell. SO god knew from the beginning he was sending her to hell, what a sick and sadistic God. :nook:

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Matsui -- We live our lives by the Quran. You have an issue with that , thats your problem is it not? Game wanted answers, well what do you know - we provided Ayas from the Quran. He has a brain, Im sure he can make up his own mind. And do try to control your urges to call God a crying baby. It makes one think you're not past the diaper stage.

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^ MQ, don’t get pissy with me, if your inability to answer simple questions posed by game isn’t meeting his criteria then it’s better you just sit in the corner and watch. And you do not have propriety on who or what God is. THis is the mentality that’s endemic to your kind. You Jerry Falwell wanna be. :rolleyes:

Oh and I am sure game tries to live his life by his interpretation of the quran. Stop pontificaitng, casting people out of a religion, calling them cofused etc…because it seems to me, for someone who cannot answer his simple question and is quick to excommunicate, you are probably the most confused of the lot. even among the 1/6th of humanity that is idiotic to the core.

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I said game was confused , because he is. As far as his questions are concerned. He keeps jumping all over the place, and isnt bothering to read what Kaleem and Anwaar are saying. And listen buddy you’re the one who called God a crying child, so keep the bs about idiotic to the core to your pretty self. :rolleyes:

Im simply providing facts from my religion. You dont like it, you leave.Casting people out of a religion - you going to try out as a comedian?

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and where did you get this from??

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I can call God whatever I want..in my interpretation of God, he has a much thicker skin than God apparently does in yours. Read from the first post and follow Kaleem's and Gadha's points...they are in the same boat as you are. Without answers, pontificating humps.